JD Vance Catholic Convert

[Anonymous]

That piece was very well written and really showed a depth of thought that surprised me.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

Nope.

In the Catholic Church marriage is a sacrament. The Catholic Church views marriages between non-Catholics or people of different faiths as valid and legitimate. However, marriage outside of the church by Catholics isn’t recognized by the Catholic Church because Catholics are bound to observe a certain form of marriage ritual in order for their marriage to be valid.

If you were previously married and converted you still need to receive the sacrament of marriage and if you do not you are living in sin.

It is important to realize that a convalidation is not merely a renewal of promises made previously but is a new act of consent by each spouse.

Canon law requires proper preparation for entering the Sacrament of Matrimony.
Individual dioceses establish the guidelines for this preparation.
A civilly married couple needs to learn all that the Sacrament of Matrimony entails.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

Nope.

In the Catholic Church marriage is a sacrament. The Catholic Church views marriages between non-Catholics or people of different faiths as valid and legitimate. However, marriage outside of the church by Catholics isn’t recognized by the Catholic Church because Catholics are bound to observe a certain form of marriage ritual in order for their marriage to be valid.

If you were previously married and converted you still need to receive the sacrament of marriage and if you do not you are living in sin.

It is important to realize that a convalidation is not merely a renewal of promises made previously but is a new act of consent by each spouse.

Canon law requires proper preparation for entering the Sacrament of Matrimony.
Individual dioceses establish the guidelines for this preparation.
A civilly married couple needs to learn all that the Sacrament of Matrimony entails.

Simply untrue. Please do the research.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting “natural” marriages of converts. And you have no idea whether Vance’s marriage has been convalidated in any event.

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Anonymous wrote:He seems like a sort of sad figure in that there was a lot missing in his life growing up and he’s been looking for ways to fill that hole. He does seem like an opportunist so I’m not confident that he didn’t choose conversion in part due to the political advantage, but evangelicalism might have served him better there. At any rate, I find the Trunp policies and attitudes/rhetoric to be entirely antithetical to Catholic teaching,so I can’t be impressed by the faith of any Catholic that hitches his wagon to Trump.

Of all the things about the Catholic Church that I find most disappointing, the Catholic support of Trump is near the top of the list. If the majority of the faithful are voting for this, I think that the Church is failing to effectively communicate Jesus’s message. I find it really depressing. WWJD? Not be anywhere near Trump, that’s for sure.

52% of Catholics voted for Biden in the last election. I think that's still depressingly low, but your statement that I bolded is false.

I will say that in my experience, there are many converts to Catholicism who are attracted to what they see as a structure and an emphasis on rules, who can be far more rigid and conservative than the majority of cradle Catholics. They tend to bring the worst parts of Evangelism with them when they join the church, and it's a bad combination.

I always think of this tweet: https://x.com/agraybee/status/1537869930242113536

Every lifelong Catholic I've ever met is like "I think we're supposed to give this food to poor people" and every adult convert is like "the Archon of Constantinople's epistle on the Pentacostine rites of the eucharist clearly states women shouldn't have driver's licenses."

I'm the one you quoted. I'm a convert myself, because it was important to me that we be able to attend church as a family, and Catholicism was more important to DH than Episcopalianism was to me. So, there are definitely some more liberal converts.

But yes, there are a lot of converts who fit that description perfectly.

PP was talking about people who chose Catholic faith. You chose your husband and accepted Catholic the chruch, and went through their required motions. Arguably you aren't even really Catholic in your heart, because you don't believe Catholicism's theology.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He wrote about his conversion here. https://thelampmagazine.com/blog/how-i-joined-the-resistance

There's a lot of good thought in that article. A scathing takedown of Republican values, written by the new Republican leader.

JD Vance is a special sort. He's smart enough to know that what he does is wrong, but lets himself get away with it because he understands what it means to be good, and sees himself as a good person, even if he doesn't live it.

He's detached from his own life. Faced with the contradictions of life, he preserves his sanity by choosing to ignore them.

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Anonymous wrote:He seems like a sort of sad figure in that there was a lot missing in his life growing up and he’s been looking for ways to fill that hole. He does seem like an opportunist so I’m not confident that he didn’t choose conversion in part due to the political advantage, but evangelicalism might have served him better there. At any rate, I find the Trunp policies and attitudes/rhetoric to be entirely antithetical to Catholic teaching,so I can’t be impressed by the faith of any Catholic that hitches his wagon to Trump.

Of all the things about the Catholic Church that I find most disappointing, the Catholic support of Trump is near the top of the list. If the majority of the faithful are voting for this, I think that the Church is failing to effectively communicate Jesus’s message. I find it really depressing. WWJD? Not be anywhere near Trump, that’s for sure.

52% of Catholics voted for Biden in the last election. I think that's still depressingly low, but your statement that I bolded is false.

I will say that in my experience, there are many converts to Catholicism who are attracted to what they see as a structure and an emphasis on rules, who can be far more rigid and conservative than the majority of cradle Catholics. They tend to bring the worst parts of Evangelism with them when they join the church, and it's a bad combination.

I always think of this tweet: https://x.com/agraybee/status/1537869930242113536

Every lifelong Catholic I've ever met is like "I think we're supposed to give this food to poor people" and every adult convert is like "the Archon of Constantinople's epistle on the Pentacostine rites of the eucharist clearly states women shouldn't have driver's licenses."

I'm the one you quoted. I'm a convert myself, because it was important to me that we be able to attend church as a family, and Catholicism was more important to DH than Episcopalianism was to me. So, there are definitely some more liberal converts.

But yes, there are a lot of converts who fit that description perfectly.

PP was talking about people who chose Catholic faith. You chose your husband and accepted Catholic the chruch, and went through their required motions. Arguably you aren't even really Catholic in your heart, because you don't believe Catholicism's theology.

So, if the catechism says that people like me are Catholic, and you don’t believed that, doesn’t that mean you aren’t Catholic “in your heart either”?

[Anonymous]

Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

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Also different people vote based on different instincts, even if they believe the same thing. Some people vote for things they agree with. Some people vote against things they don't agree with. So you could have two Catholics who believe in all the teachings of the church, but one will vote Democrat because they are voting for the things they agree with in the Democratic party, and the other could vote Republican because they are voting against the things they see in the Democratic party. No single political party in the United States fully satisfies Catholic teachings, so that is why Catholics tend to split.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

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Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

Nope you are cherry picking your Catholicism. What about respect for life, family values, objective moral truth, and the idea that suffering will always exist in this world so our first priority should be to worship God.

And all those tenets you listed are not liberal. Feed the poor, sure, but how? Democrats (if that is what you mean by liberal) advocate for big govt to step in for that role. Catholic Conservatives advocate for subsidiarity, that matters should be handled by the smallest, lowest competent authority. That is not a disagreement of tenets but of methodology.

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Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

And oh, no offense but I don't include converts of convenience as relevant in this conversation. They are not real converts in that they did not convert out of their own conviction. Not making any moral judgment on them, just that they are not what OP is talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

Nope you are cherry picking your Catholicism. What about respect for life, family values, objective moral truth, and the idea that suffering will always exist in this world so our first priority should be to worship God.

And all those tenets you listed are not liberal. Feed the poor, sure, but how? Democrats (if that is what you mean by liberal) advocate for big govt to step in for that role. Catholic Conservatives advocate for subsidiarity, that matters should be handled by the smallest, lowest competent authority. That is not a disagreement of tenets but of methodology.

Respect for life: feed poor, care for children, no death penalty, head start, care for elderly, don’t poison the environment, etc

Family values: families come in different shapes, sizes, colors and cultures. Respect all families. Widows of dead soldiers are still a family even if there is no man and wife.

God comes 1st: the growing trend to remain single and dedicate your life to good work instead of marriage is following in Jesus’s footsteps (1 Corinthians 7)

Its not a methodology issue it’s an impact issue .. one method has an impact the other does not.

I’m sorry men have led you so far away from your soul and the Holy Spirit, I will pray there is a path to lead you back to truly serving God our Father.