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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Hi wife is Hindu[/quote]

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter. [/quote]

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.[/quote]

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.  [/quote]

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!
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Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people. [/quote]

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin [/quote]

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

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You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation ..  in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

[b]Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.[/b][/quote]

Wait a second. I’m totally jumping into this conversation without having read everything so forgive me if I’m wrong. But if she can’t be living in sin because she’s not Catholic, does that mean everyone in a gay marriage isn’t living in sin as long as they aren’t Catholic? And abortions by non Catholics aren’t a sin? Like do some sins only apply to Catholics?[/quote]

1. The OP of the quoted post didn’t know what they were talking about to begin with.

2. Catholic Canonical requirements for Christian (that is, Catholic, Sacramental) marriage apply only to Catholics. This was the entire point of the prior discussion, which the OP of the quoted post seems unable to comprehend.

3. Catholic teaching holds that there is an objective, Divine, moral law, that applies to everyone. Sexual activity between persons of the same sex, abortion, etc., violates that objective moral law.

4. But yes, there are sins that only a Catholic can commit, under most circumstances. A Catholic priest is forbidden to reveal anything heard in Confession. The priest has to be Catholic to be a priest. But, an interpreter (who doesn’t have to be Catholic) is equally bound and would sin by revealing what was heard.

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1. Op of the response above is not educated on Catholic teachings.

2.Vance is Catholic so must follow Catholic laws, so must marry in the church or receive dispensation (Kennedy did I’m sure Vance can). The op of the response above wants to pretend it’s all good, that’s what dispensation does.

3. Catholic teaching has a Devine law the applies to all Catholics that marriage is a sacrament and if you don’t receive the sacrament or dispensation, you are in a state of sin. Also the second you are baptized as a catholic you vow to raise your children as Catholics and if they are not baptized you’re in mortal violation of Devine moral law. (When were his kids baptized?)

4. Yes if you are not Catholic you are not held to these Devine moral laws, like his wife,

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