JD Vance Catholic Convert

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

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Anonymous wrote:He seems like a sort of sad figure in that there was a lot missing in his life growing up and he’s been looking for ways to fill that hole. He does seem like an opportunist so I’m not confident that he didn’t choose conversion in part due to the political advantage, but evangelicalism might have served him better there. At any rate, I find the Trunp policies and attitudes/rhetoric to be entirely antithetical to Catholic teaching,so I can’t be impressed by the faith of any Catholic that hitches his wagon to Trump.

Of all the things about the Catholic Church that I find most disappointing, the Catholic support of Trump is near the top of the list. If the majority of the faithful are voting for this, I think that the Church is failing to effectively communicate Jesus’s message. I find it really depressing. WWJD? Not be anywhere near Trump, that’s for sure.

IIRC the majority did not vote for Trump. Biden is Catholic after all.

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Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

Nope you are cherry picking your Catholicism. What about respect for life, family values, objective moral truth, and the idea that suffering will always exist in this world so our first priority should be to worship God.

And all those tenets you listed are not liberal. Feed the poor, sure, but how? Democrats (if that is what you mean by liberal) advocate for big govt to step in for that role. Catholic Conservatives advocate for subsidiarity, that matters should be handled by the smallest, lowest competent authority. That is not a disagreement of tenets but of methodology.

I can't even begin to respond to this. The ideas that Catholics aren't called to alleviate suffering, or that alleviating suffering and worshiping God are somehow in conflict are so far from Catholic teaching that I think you have to be a troll.

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+1

+2, except I’m from the West. Cradle Catholic, former liturgical minister, former CCD teacher, still volunteer with one of the sodality sponsored groups. Went to mass pretty much every week until the pandemic, and grew up with priests in my house pretty regularly, start each car trip with the rosary, etc. PDC (pretty darn Catholic). I’ve never had an abortion but for reasons that have be one become apparent in places like Florida and Texas, I don’t think the government should be in charge of healthcare decisions. It should be between a woman, her doctor, and her God. I wouldn’t want some other religion telling me I can’t get a blood transfusion. What I do think is essential to Catholicism, as I learned it, is to treat others with kindness, charity and love. Nothing about Trump or his policies does this. It’s dismaying to me that so many Catholics are willing to throw out the entirety of Jesus’s teachings about helping others solely in order to ban abortion. Maybe they should focus more on creating a church that others would want to join, so that people agree with their moral stance, and less on threatening doctors licenses or liberty.

Extremely well-said. Is "saving" the unborn really worth electing people who will time and time again turn their backs on the vulnerable in order to strengthen their power? And the Church is currently experiencing a mass exodus of followers that is putting many archdiocese in financial crisis. But by all means, put all your resources into ensuring clumps of cells are incubated by unwilling women. Hopefully those babies will eventually be forced to become members of the Church when they're older.

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Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

Nope you are cherry picking your Catholicism. What about respect for life, family values, objective moral truth, and the idea that suffering will always exist in this world so our first priority should be to worship God.

And all those tenets you listed are not liberal. Feed the poor, sure, but how? Democrats (if that is what you mean by liberal) advocate for big govt to step in for that role. Catholic Conservatives advocate for subsidiarity, that matters should be handled by the smallest, lowest competent authority. That is not a disagreement of tenets but of methodology.

You are both just illustrating the obvious: Catholicism is not a political party, and one's faith does nto require you to be one or the other.

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Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

Nope you are cherry picking your Catholicism. What about respect for life, family values, objective moral truth, and the idea that suffering will always exist in this world so our first priority should be to worship God.

And all those tenets you listed are not liberal. Feed the poor, sure, but how? Democrats (if that is what you mean by liberal) advocate for big govt to step in for that role. Catholic Conservatives advocate for subsidiarity, that matters should be handled by the smallest, lowest competent authority. That is not a disagreement of tenets but of methodology.

You are both just illustrating the obvious: Catholicism is not a political party, and one's faith does nto require you to be one or the other.

It became political when Reagans’s campaign pushed propaganda to Christian electors to gain their vote… sadly.

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+1

+2, except I’m from the West. Cradle Catholic, former liturgical minister, former CCD teacher, still volunteer with one of the sodality sponsored groups. Went to mass pretty much every week until the pandemic, and grew up with priests in my house pretty regularly, start each car trip with the rosary, etc. PDC (pretty darn Catholic). I’ve never had an abortion but for reasons that have be one become apparent in places like Florida and Texas, I don’t think the government should be in charge of healthcare decisions. It should be between a woman, her doctor, and her God. I wouldn’t want some other religion telling me I can’t get a blood transfusion. What I do think is essential to Catholicism, as I learned it, is to treat others with kindness, charity and love. Nothing about Trump or his policies does this. It’s dismaying to me that so many Catholics are willing to throw out the entirety of Jesus’s teachings about helping others solely in order to ban abortion. Maybe they should focus more on creating a church that others would want to join, so that people agree with their moral stance, and less on threatening doctors licenses or liberty.

Extremely well-said. Is "saving" the unborn really worth electing people who will time and time again turn their backs on the vulnerable in order to strengthen their power? And the Church is currently experiencing a mass exodus of followers that is putting many archdiocese in financial crisis. But by all means, put all your resources into ensuring clumps of cells are incubated by unwilling women. Hopefully those babies will eventually be forced to become members of the Church when they're older.

Catholic Republicans don’t care about saving human lives. They are against abortion, but they don’t give a crap about gun violence. The hypocrisy is breath taking. They are happy to vote for the party that allows the slaughter of children at school. Or a concert. Or a public figure….

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Catholic Republicans don’t care about saving human lives. They are against abortion, but they don’t give a crap about gun violence. The hypocrisy is breath taking. They are happy to vote for the party that allows the slaughter of children at school. Or a concert. Or a public figure….

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Anonymous wrote:Catholic Republicans don’t care about saving human lives. They are against abortion, but they don’t give a crap about gun violence. The hypocrisy is breath taking. They are happy to vote for the party that allows the slaughter of children at school. Or a concert. Or a public figure….

Their false God is money and control. They are in the grips of Satan and it’s up to those who have not bitten the apple to protect the Catholic religion and protect others from those who are doing Satans work.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

We agree if he has not had a convalidation he is living in sin

You are incorrect, and while your ignorance objectively is vincible you appear to feel compelled to have it be invincible by virtue of refusal to research the issue.

You said they need con validation to not live in sin, I agree… unless you receive the sacrament of marriage either through a ceremony or convalidation .. in the eyes of the Catholic Church, you are living in sin.

Good news his wife is not living in sin because she is not Catholic.

I said no such thing. I said you had no idea whether they are convalidated, which would radically obviate your specious claim; the claim remains specious even absent convalidation because converts in a preexisting non-sacramental marriage are recognized as naturally married so long as the marriage took place before conversion. They are not, as you assert, required to enter into sacramental marriage after conversion. Take a look online. This situation is discussed in many places, including Canon Law Made Easy.

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Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

Nope you are cherry picking your Catholicism. What about respect for life, family values, objective moral truth, and the idea that suffering will always exist in this world so our first priority should be to worship God.

And all those tenets you listed are not liberal. Feed the poor, sure, but how? Democrats (if that is what you mean by liberal) advocate for big govt to step in for that role. Catholic Conservatives advocate for subsidiarity, that matters should be handled by the smallest, lowest competent authority. That is not a disagreement of tenets but of methodology.

I can't even begin to respond to this. The ideas that Catholics aren't called to alleviate suffering, or that alleviating suffering and worshiping God are somehow in conflict are so far from Catholic teaching that I think you have to be a troll.

I didn't say we are not called to alleviate suffering. I said that worship of God comes first. Please go back to Sunday school if you don't know this, if you are even Catholic. Hint, look at what the first commandment is.

And while helping the poor and worshipping God is not in conflict on a personal level, they can absolutely be in conflict when it comes to politics.

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Hindu Catholic. Hindu Muslim. Hindu Jew. Hindu Christian.

Everyone is already a Hindu. What religion they follow is immaterial.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Majority of non-cafeteria Catholics are conservative. Not necessarily saying they love trump. But definitely conservative.

The Catholic Church is conservative in the true meaning of the word. Respect for tradition, slow changing, scripture not open to individual interpretation.

People only bother converting when they decide they agree with the teachings of the church. Given two points above, it should not surprise anyone that converts are more conservative. Young priests are also more conservative because the priesthood is now only attracting men who have decided they truly believe in the church and the priesthood.

True Catholicism is liberal. Feed the poor, do unto others, we are all created in God’s image, advocate for asylum seekers, etc.

Most convert for convenience like my fiancée asked me to and only have a surfaced understanding of the rules, teachings and culture.

Nope you are cherry picking your Catholicism. What about respect for life, family values, objective moral truth, and the idea that suffering will always exist in this world so our first priority should be to worship God.

And all those tenets you listed are not liberal. Feed the poor, sure, but how? Democrats (if that is what you mean by liberal) advocate for big govt to step in for that role. Catholic Conservatives advocate for subsidiarity, that matters should be handled by the smallest, lowest competent authority. That is not a disagreement of tenets but of methodology.

Respect for life: feed poor, care for children, no death penalty, head start, care for elderly, don’t poison the environment, etc

Family values: families come in different shapes, sizes, colors and cultures. Respect all families. Widows of dead soldiers are still a family even if there is no man and wife.

God comes 1st: the growing trend to remain single and dedicate your life to good work instead of marriage is following in Jesus’s footsteps (1 Corinthians 7)

Its not a methodology issue it’s an impact issue .. one method has an impact the other does not.

I’m sorry men have led you so far away from your soul and the Holy Spirit, I will pray there is a path to lead you back to truly serving God our Father.

I don't even know where to start with this post. People remaining single is them trying to be like Jesus? Really? People are single because our society is lonely and messed up, people lack a respect for family life, and want to maximize consumption and pleasure. Yes, that is exactly like Jesus.

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Anonymous wrote:His wife is Hindu

Yes. And Christians are the followers of Christ, who is the son of God/Chrishna. Where is the confusion?

Hindus and Christians do not worship the same God don't even try it with your attempt at revisionism to sanitize Hinduism.

All religions worship the same God. The interpretation of the teaching of that God by humans is perverted in many religion. . That is the reason that Hinduism does not attempt to convert anyone. If the same God created every living soul then who are we to convert them? If you are trying to convert others to your faith then it shows that you have no faith in the wisdom of the being that you call God. By trying to proselytize you are insulting the creation of your own God.

So, yes, Hindus and Christians worship the same God. But Christians do not know that. No need to sanitize Hinduism at all because it is a philosophy and a path to live a good life. It is not an Abhramic religion so it does not need to be sanitized.

Um no, all religions do not worship the same God. They are all a response to a call by the one true God, but they do not all equally know him, and to worship God you must actually know who you are worshipping.

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Anonymous wrote:That piece was very well written and really showed a depth of thought that surprised me.

Yes I had the same thought. Did not expect to read what I just read.