JD Vance Catholic Convert

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

I find it odd people think he converted to Catholicism for political reasons. I can't think of one thing a politician would gain by being a Catholic convert.

Are you kidding? Several current and former SCOTUS members are Catholics. His mentor, Peter Thiel, is Catholic. There are powerful conservative Catholics behind the political scenes like in The Family organization. It's always seemed like a political move to me. They are gaining political power as much or more than Evangelicals and it's a savvy move on his part.

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Identifying as a conservative Catholic = less offputtingly Bible-thumpy than Evangelicals but still appealing to the ultra-religious, appealing to Latinos and white ethnics who are often swing voters. It’s a shrewd move.

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Pope could not handle unctuous vibes coming of him and checked out. Sad!

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Anonymous wrote:Pope could not handle unctuous vibes coming of him and checked out. Sad!

I hate the Pope had to meet with the scum that is JD/Usha while he was in his last days. I know the Pope chose his path, but I wish he hadn't had to interact with such hateful, evil filth before he died.

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Anonymous wrote:Identifying as a conservative Catholic = less offputtingly Bible-thumpy than Evangelicals but still appealing to the ultra-religious, appealing to Latinos and white ethnics who are often swing voters. It’s a shrewd move.

Yep.

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Anonymous wrote:Hi wife is Hindu

His wife very carefully states she was raised Hindu. I haven’t seen anything about her current practices or beliefs, not that they should matter.

If she hasn’t converted they are living in sin.

This is not Catholic teaching. And you have no idea whether or not the pre-conversion marriage was subsequently convalidated (“blessed”) by the Church.

They are not married in the Catholic church and she has not converted and they have not received a dispensation to marry in the Catholic church, hence they are living in sin.

I don't care if they live in sin, i'm just saying they are.

Just like divorced and remarried people and gay people. Living in sin, according to the Catholic church.

No COMMUNION for you!

Vance married his wife in an “interfaith” ceremony in 2014.

He became a Catholic in 2019.

Because the marriage predated the conversion, no “dispensation” was required, nor could one have been granted or obtained.

The Church ordinarily recognizes the preexisting marriages of converts.

If Vance and his wife desire to they can obtain “convalidation” of their existing marriage. They may have done so. You have no idea whether or not they did.

They are not “living in sin.”

You do not know what you are talking about and should stop misrepresenting Catholic teaching and defaming people.

If he's such a devout Catholic the kids and wife would be baptized and they'd renew their vows before a Catholic priest. None of that will happen, of course, because the unethical fraud doesn't believe in anything.

Catholics do not force people who do not believe to be baptized, even their wives. That is not a Catholic teaching. You have no idea whether they have renewed their vows.

I agree with you that he's an unethical fraud, but you can insult him without making up stuff about the religion he probably doesn't even believe in.

Totally agree with this as a Catholic married to an atheist. But it’s pretty unusual for the Catholic not jto have the kids baptized and typically insist on at least CCD thru first communion. Somewhat surprised the kids haven’t been baptized, and wonder if the oldest is in CcD. Assume he goes to a Catholic Church in del ray? Anyone ever seen him there?

No idea about church attendance but they went to/go to Catholic school

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Vance dropped the trophy and killed the Pope in one week. He will never live this down.

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Anonymous wrote:Identifying as a conservative Catholic = less offputtingly Bible-thumpy than Evangelicals but still appealing to the ultra-religious, appealing to Latinos and white ethnics who are often swing voters. It’s a shrewd move.

Yep.

But why not just remain a vaguely nondenominational Christian like other recent presidents?

For better or for worse, Catholicism tends to be a lightening so why tempt fate if your greater goal is political success? This makes no sense to me. Plus, Catholicism, unlike most Protestant denominations has actual requirements you need to follow if you want to be viewed as Catholic.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

I find it odd people think he converted to Catholicism for political reasons. I can't think of one thing a politician would gain by being a Catholic convert.

JFK was Catholic. When Vance runs for president in 2028, he can draw in the minds of Americans a picture that he is the next JFK.

Not now that he killed the Pope he can’t.

Imagine being so awful and yet so powerful that the Pope decides he needs to fit you in on his last full day on the planet, the day before Easter.

Oh snap! From everything that I’ve heard about Pope Francis, he would have been horrified by Vance, his priorities, and the kind of person that Vance clearly is (see his egregious and deliberately public treatment of Zelenskyy for just one example.) I think that Vance meeting with the Pope was an appalling overstep, given the Pope’s health struggles. Pope Francis was known for loving humanity as well as for his sense of humor. I’ve also heard that as a young man, he worked as a bouncer.

What if this loving, ailing man, with a sense of humor and a sense of his own place in history, thought to himself: “You know, if I time this right…”. Bounce.

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Anonymous wrote:As a lapsed Catholic now raising my own kids, I think about the reasons I left the church—hearing homilies about how girls should not aspire to anything other than motherhood, the concept that you could sin just by thinking about sex, and obviously the horrendous abuse scandals that affected people I knew personally—and I know it was the right thing to do. The one thing that gnaws at me is the emphasis on service. I did volunteer work of some kind on a weekly basis from age 10 through college graduation. I have found ways to teach my kids to give their time to others, but it’s not a part of their lives like it was when I was in Catholic school.

I was a high school debate champion and guys like JD Vance were a dime a dozen. “Intellectual” Catholics with little feel for the moral underpinnings of it all, and with unbridled ambition to use their intelligence and smooth talk to get to the top in law and conservative politics. More smart young people are liberal—being a brainy conservative is a savvy way to get ahead.

I went to YLS, which is full of HS debate champions. This is how Vance always strikes me — he likes to argue a point just to score points and thinks he is so clever in doing so. But there’s no there there. I agree that his type is a dime a dozen in certain circles. When you pull off the veneer, what I see underneath is a neglected child who was sort of a loser growing up and who never felt good enough who is searching for fame/power to fill a whole in his heart. I suspect the structure of Catholicism also is an attempt to fill that hole. He has sort of the mindset of an addict but instead of craving alcohol or a drug he is craving power and “winning.”

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Anonymous wrote:Identifying as a conservative Catholic = less offputtingly Bible-thumpy than Evangelicals but still appealing to the ultra-religious, appealing to Latinos and white ethnics who are often swing voters. It’s a shrewd move.

Yep.

But why not just remain a vaguely nondenominational Christian like other recent presidents?

For better or for worse, Catholicism tends to be a lightening so why tempt fate if your greater goal is political success? This makes no sense to me. Plus, Catholicism, unlike most Protestant denominations has actual requirements you need to follow if you want to be viewed as Catholic.

The trend of reactionary conservatives converting to Catholicism has been around for a while. Think Robert Novak.

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I’d like to see him hanging out and volunteering at Holy Trinity in Georgetown.

Btw did his wife and kids convert too?

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I hope the meeting with the Pope lit a tiny spark that may endure in Veeps heart and the schooling from the Cardinal at least makes him less ignorant and bogus in his lies for the person he serves.

I hope that God touches Potus's heart so he sees the needless cruelty that will blight his legacy and outs an end to that.

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Vance, Trump, Musk all had daddy-sized holes in their souls that they filled with bullies, then bullying.

GW Bush was a dry drunk that eventually found peace after his power was done.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know JD Vance personally, but I read his book.

He grew up outside of an organized church. His father was a fundamentalist Christian. I can see why he settled on becoming Catholic once he was old enough to set his own path.

It’s not a political choice. It’s personal. If it wasn’t, he wouldn’t have been Confirmed.

Really? I have no idea what the current percentage of Catholics in the US population might be, but I’m sure that the percentage of Catholics on the Supreme Court is a LOT higher — and the percentage who were educated in Catholic schools is higher still. So, not a bad coincidence for someone who might want a long term political career.

As a personal choice, well, I’ll just say that in his current role, I find it difficult to see Catholic values in his public behavior.