198 Democrats Voted Against the SAVE Act

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a redundant law that accomplishes nothing new.

Non-citizens are already prohibited from voting by numerous laws and statutes, for example:

18 U.S. Code § 611: This federal law explicitly prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections, stating: "It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for one of the offices referred to in this subsection."

National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA): This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen.

Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA): This law mandates that first-time voters who register by mail provide identification to verify their identity and citizenship.

Also, the Constitution effectively limits voting to citizens.

This bill is redundant, accomplishes nothing new, wasted time and money, and was nothing but performative theater by the Republicans for no good reason other than to feed into their BS narrative that illegal aliens are "replacing" Americans at the polls and everywhere else. These false Republican claims have repeatedly been debunked and disproven. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/ma...-immigrants-paroled/

This is the fact.

"National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA):[/b] This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include [b]an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen."

And, in some states, the only affirmation that is required is the registrant checks a box. That's it.
So, yes - this law is needed.

We have upward of 20 million people in our country illegally. If only 1% of them voted in a federal election, that would be 200,000 illegal votes. Enough to change the outcome of races depending upon where these people reside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was already illegal for non-citizens to vote. Obviously this was meant to intimidate legitimate voters.

By requiring and ID? How's that intimidation? Just get an ID. Everyone can get one.

Seems to me you hate democracy.

Actually, if your license is expired or suspended in one state and you lose it in another, then its almost impossible to get a new one. Just FYI. My younger brother who is a very busy kid kept procrastinating changing his license over, it expired and then his wallet got stolen. The state he is in requires an original birth certificate, which he ordered, and it took 4 months to arrive. And then he went back to get the license and they said he needed additional proof so my MOM has to fly out to where he lives to show HER ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE so they will give my brother a license. Because apparently having a valid original birth certificate is not enough, they need to see that my mom exists or something?

Did he make a stupid mistake- yes. Did he hopefully learn a listen- jesus christ, I hope so. Is it just as easy as walking in and getting one, no, not always.

So your idiot brother is the reason we should forgo election security, not protect our democracy and allow illegals to vote?

That's on your brother for being stupid, 99.9% of people can get an ID. To say they can't means you're the racist or the idiot. Which one is your brother? The idiot. Most people arguing minorities don't know how to use the internet or how to get to the DMV are racists. Jim Crowe Joe supports allowing illegals to vote.

Yea and people make stupid mistakes, that doesnt mean they should lose their right to vote. Ill add that it is insanely hard to get a birth certificate in certain states as evidenced by the person who supported the story above because each state functions separately. So they couldnt get a new BC without a license but couldnt get a license without a BC because of different state rules. There is no national system. And some IDs are REAL IDs that require crazy amounts of documentation and some are not. REAL IDs are a requirement for DHS but you cant avoid it in MD. What if you dont want to access flights but want to drive? There is no option for getting a license without meeting the REAL ID requirements now.


It's just like GA stopping homeless people from voting because they dont have a residential address. Apparently you must LIVE at the place you list, which doesnt work for homeless people. You DONT GET TO TAKE AWAY SOMEONES RIGHT TO VOTE when there is no evidence of election fraud conducted by non-citizens.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you’re so stupid you can’t get a valid ID I don’t think you should be voting.

You dont get to decide that.....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re so stupid you can’t get a valid ID I don’t think you should be voting.

You dont get to decide that.....

Sorry life’s not fair. Some people can’t perform basic life functions.

[Anonymous]

This seems like a states rights issue. Voting is up to the states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a states rights issue. Voting is up to the states.

Not for any federal elections. Nice try.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a redundant law that accomplishes nothing new.

Non-citizens are already prohibited from voting by numerous laws and statutes, for example:

18 U.S. Code § 611: This federal law explicitly prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections, stating: "It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for one of the offices referred to in this subsection."

National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA): This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen.

Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA): This law mandates that first-time voters who register by mail provide identification to verify their identity and citizenship.

Also, the Constitution effectively limits voting to citizens.

This bill is redundant, accomplishes nothing new, wasted time and money, and was nothing but performative theater by the Republicans for no good reason other than to feed into their BS narrative that illegal aliens are "replacing" Americans at the polls and everywhere else. These false Republican claims have repeatedly been debunked and disproven. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/ma...-immigrants-paroled/

This is the fact.

"National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA):[/b] This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include [b]an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen."

And, in some states, the only affirmation that is required is the registrant checks a box. That's it.
So, yes - this law is needed.

We have upward of 20 million people in our country illegally. If only 1% of them voted in a federal election, that would be 200,000 illegal votes. Enough to change the outcome of races depending upon where these people reside.

The claims that there are any substantial amounts of illegals voting have been repeatedly debunked, and where they did try to vote, they were caught. The laws are sufficient and the system works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This seems like a states rights issue. Voting is up to the states.

Yeah, just like the Civil War was about states' rights. It's interesting that none of you MAGAs dispute the difficulties of getting a voter ID or appear to defend states like Alabama, Wisconsin (when it was under a GOP governor) or Texas closing DMVs, limiting hours of operation, etc. It's just that poor, homeless person that can't figure out how to get one. Remind me again when you complain about the economy. Just make more money or get a better job moron. Or maybe it's like healthcare. Just get a better plan and eat better! Or maybe it's like home insurance in coastal areas. Just move! It's always that simple, amirite?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re so stupid you can’t get a valid ID I don’t think you should be voting.

You dont get to decide that.....

Sorry life’s not fair. Some people can’t perform basic life functions.

Yet the laws say they cannot be disenfranchised from their vote for being stupid.

If they could, we wouldn't have had Trump elected in 2016.

[Anonymous]

Democrats want foreign nationals voting in U.S. elections and interfering with Americans right to control our own government. Traitors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It was already illegal for non-citizens to vote. Obviously this was meant to intimidate legitimate voters.

By requiring and ID? How's that intimidation? Just get an ID. Everyone can get one.

Seems to me you hate democracy.

Actually, if your license is expired or suspended in one state and you lose it in another, then its almost impossible to get a new one. Just FYI. My younger brother who is a very busy kid kept procrastinating changing his license over, it expired and then his wallet got stolen. The state he is in requires an original birth certificate, which he ordered, and it took 4 months to arrive. And then he went back to get the license and they said he needed additional proof so my MOM has to fly out to where he lives to show HER ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE so they will give my brother a license. Because apparently having a valid original birth certificate is not enough, they need to see that my mom exists or something?

Did he make a stupid mistake- yes. Did he hopefully learn a listen- jesus christ, I hope so. Is it just as easy as walking in and getting one, no, not always.

So your idiot brother is the reason we should forgo election security, not protect our democracy and allow illegals to vote?

That's on your brother for being stupid, 99.9% of people can get an ID. To say they can't means you're the racist or the idiot. Which one is your brother? The idiot. Most people arguing minorities don't know how to use the internet or how to get to the DMV are racists. Jim Crowe Joe supports allowing illegals to vote.

Yea and people make stupid mistakes, that doesnt mean they should lose their right to vote. Ill add that it is insanely hard to get a birth certificate in certain states as evidenced by the person who supported the story above because each state functions separately. So they couldnt get a new BC without a license but couldnt get a license without a BC because of different state rules. There is no national system. And some IDs are REAL IDs that require crazy amounts of documentation and some are not. REAL IDs are a requirement for DHS but you cant avoid it in MD. What if you dont want to access flights but want to drive? There is no option for getting a license without meeting the REAL ID requirements now.


It's just like GA stopping homeless people from voting because they dont have a residential address. Apparently you must LIVE at the place you list, which doesnt work for homeless people. You DONT GET TO TAKE AWAY SOMEONES RIGHT TO VOTE when there is no evidence of election fraud conducted by non-citizens.

That sucks, but if you are homeless… I feel like voting in a federal election is the least of your worries, ya know?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a redundant law that accomplishes nothing new.

Non-citizens are already prohibited from voting by numerous laws and statutes, for example:

18 U.S. Code § 611: This federal law explicitly prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections, stating: "It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for one of the offices referred to in this subsection."

National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA): This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen.

Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA): This law mandates that first-time voters who register by mail provide identification to verify their identity and citizenship.

Also, the Constitution effectively limits voting to citizens.

This bill is redundant, accomplishes nothing new, wasted time and money, and was nothing but performative theater by the Republicans for no good reason other than to feed into their BS narrative that illegal aliens are "replacing" Americans at the polls and everywhere else. These false Republican claims have repeatedly been debunked and disproven. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/ma...-immigrants-paroled/

It sounds like you didn’t read the bill or you would realize that the “affirmation” of citizenship is exactly what is being changed. Another change is the deportation of those found to have voted illegally. Why are you so determined to insist the bill is irrelevant instead of helping us to understand why Dems opposed it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a redundant law that accomplishes nothing new.

Non-citizens are already prohibited from voting by numerous laws and statutes, for example:

18 U.S. Code § 611: This federal law explicitly prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections, stating: "It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for one of the offices referred to in this subsection."

National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA): This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen.

Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA): This law mandates that first-time voters who register by mail provide identification to verify their identity and citizenship.

Also, the Constitution effectively limits voting to citizens.

This bill is redundant, accomplishes nothing new, wasted time and money, and was nothing but performative theater by the Republicans for no good reason other than to feed into their BS narrative that illegal aliens are "replacing" Americans at the polls and everywhere else. These false Republican claims have repeatedly been debunked and disproven. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/ma...-immigrants-paroled/

This is the fact.

"National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA):[/b] This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include [b]an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen."

And, in some states, the only affirmation that is required is the registrant checks a box. That's it.
So, yes - this law is needed.

We have upward of 20 million people in our country illegally. If only 1% of them voted in a federal election, that would be 200,000 illegal votes. Enough to change the outcome of races depending upon where these people reside.

The claims that there are any substantial amounts of illegals voting have been repeatedly debunked, and where they did try to vote, they were caught. The laws are sufficient and the system works.

What happened to them after they were caught? Because this bill is to force them to leave the country after attempting or successfully voting illegally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a redundant law that accomplishes nothing new.

Non-citizens are already prohibited from voting by numerous laws and statutes, for example:

18 U.S. Code § 611: This federal law explicitly prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections, stating: "It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for one of the offices referred to in this subsection."

National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA): This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen.

Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA): This law mandates that first-time voters who register by mail provide identification to verify their identity and citizenship.

Also, the Constitution effectively limits voting to citizens.

This bill is redundant, accomplishes nothing new, wasted time and money, and was nothing but performative theater by the Republicans for no good reason other than to feed into their BS narrative that illegal aliens are "replacing" Americans at the polls and everywhere else. These false Republican claims have repeatedly been debunked and disproven. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/ma...-immigrants-paroled/

This is the fact.

"National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA):[/b] This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen."

And, in some states, the only affirmation that is required is the registrant checks a box. That's it.
So, yes - this law is needed.

We have upward of 20 million people in our country illegally. If only 1% of them voted in a federal election, that would be 200,000 illegal votes. Enough to change the outcome of races depending upon where these people reside.

The claims that there are any substantial amounts of illegals voting have been repeatedly debunked, and where they did try to vote, [b]they were caught. The laws are sufficient and the system works.

How do we know that? Sure, some were caught. But, were there more? And, might there be more widespread voter fraud in the future?
And "substantial amounts (numbers, actually)" is what exactly? How many is "substantial?"
In my opinion "substantial" is exactly one. Not too long ago a race in VA was decided by a coin flip because it ended up tied. One vote makes a difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you’re so stupid you can’t get a valid ID I don’t think you should be voting.

You dont get to decide that.....

Sorry life’s not fair. Some people can’t perform basic life functions.

Yet the laws say they cannot be disenfranchised from their vote for being stupid.

If they could, we wouldn't have had Trump elected in 2016.

You voted for dark depends Brandon.