198 Democrats Voted Against the SAVE Act

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:At least 80% of Americans want voter ID.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/403052/eight-americans-favor-early-voting-photo-laws.aspx

There is no good excuse - none - for Democrats to vote against this.

I'd support it assuming that we also provide the funds and make it easy for Americans to get a voter ID. Oh wait, it's expensive and time consuming and made deliberately difficult, especially in red states (https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/challenge-obtaining-voter-identification).

"Many ID-issuing offices maintain limited business hours. For example, the office in Sauk City, Wisconsin is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. But only four months in 2012 — February, May, August, and October — have five Wednesdays. In other states — Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas — many part-time ID-issuing offices are in the rural regions with the highest concentrations of people of color and people in poverty."

If it was as easy as showing up with your social security card or birth certificate and getting it immediately processed, then I'd be all for it but these red states abuse it to deliberately disenfranchise people, especially POCs.

Nonsense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW2LpFkVfYk

People can get ID's. To say they can't is YOU being the racist.

You didn't address any of the facts of what I provided. Typical, you only watch force fed echo chamber news videos rather than doing any reading or actual diligence. It is difficult and expensive to get voter IDs. But you conveniently deny this because it doesn't suit your agenda.

Expensive and Time Consuming:
https://www.aclu.org/documents/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet

Some counties in Texas require you to travel up to 175 miles to get to a place where you get one. So fine, let's put voter ID requirements in place and also fund the cost of acquiring one AND make it easy and accessible for all to do so, including those in rural areas. Now tell me why you're opposed to making it cheap and easily accessible to all Americans other than some ad hominem attack.

Then you go to get your ID. You need and ID to open an account, drive a car, buy alcohol, travel...you need one to vote.

If you don't support and ID to vote you hate democracy it's that simple. All western liberalized countries require and ID to vote. America is the only country stupid enough to not require and ID to cast a vote.

You're not answering the question. Are you this dense? Make it easy, affordable and accessible and you'd probably get a ton of support from Democrats. Why is it that some places in Wisconsin only had voter id hours on the fifth Wednesday of every month? Really? For something as important as voter IDs, which you all presumably care about? That seems to be pretty pathetic or maybe it was deliberately making it difficult so that voters couldn't get one.

https://www.al.com/opinion/2017/01/as_it_turns_out_bentleys_drive.html

In Alabama, Gov. Robert Bentley denied there was any racist intent behind the closure of 31 driver license offices in 2015, but an investigation by the United States Department of Transportation found they adversely impacted majority African-American counties. To make matters worse, the closures came on the heels of Alabama requiring photo ID at the polls -- a change the state made nearly the second the United States Supreme Court took it out from underneath the watchful stare of the United States Justice Department and the Voting Rights Act.

If you MAGAs actually acted in good faith and made it easier to get an ID, then this wouldn't be a problem.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not redundant. Here’s SAN news

“Under the current National Voter Registration Act, individuals attest to their citizenship by checking a box on registration forms. However, the SAVE Act proposes significant changes, requiring prospective voters to furnish documentation proving their citizenship. Accepted forms of proof include a U.S. passport, a photo ID card issued with proof of citizenship, or a combination of a photo ID and supporting documents like a birth certificate.

For those lacking these documents, states would gain access to federal agency databases to verify citizenship status for voter registration purposes, according to the text of the bill. The bill also includes provisions to remove noncitizens from voter rolls and grants discretion to the Department of Homeland Security to deport noncitizens found to have illegally registered to vote.“

Sounds good to me. Most countries require voter ID - why shouldn't we? Who on earth would vote against this?

In fact, EVERY other country requires voter ID.

Democrats just can’t win without cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not redundant. Here’s SAN news

“Under the current National Voter Registration Act, individuals attest to their citizenship by checking a box on registration forms. However, the SAVE Act proposes significant changes, requiring prospective voters to furnish documentation proving their citizenship. Accepted forms of proof include a U.S. passport, a photo ID card issued with proof of citizenship, or a combination of a photo ID and supporting documents like a birth certificate.

For those lacking these documents, states would gain access to federal agency databases to verify citizenship status for voter registration purposes, according to the text of the bill. The bill also includes provisions to remove noncitizens from voter rolls and grants discretion to the Department of Homeland Security to deport noncitizens found to have illegally registered to vote.“

Sounds good to me. Most countries require voter ID - why shouldn't we? Who on earth would vote against this?

In fact, EVERY other country requires voter ID.

Democrats just can’t win without cheating.

And these other countries also make it easily accessible to get a voter ID. You, of course, conveniently deny this point, which is the problem. With your lot, it's always projection. Why did Alabama close down a bunch of DMV in poor areas when there wasn't a recession? Hmmm? Why are you against making voter IDs cheap and accessible?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:It was already illegal for non-citizens to vote. Obviously this was meant to intimidate legitimate voters.

By requiring and ID? How's that intimidation? Just get an ID. Everyone can get one.

Seems to me you hate democracy.

Actually, if your license is expired or suspended in one state and you lose it in another, then its almost impossible to get a new one. Just FYI. My younger brother who is a very busy kid kept procrastinating changing his license over, it expired and then his wallet got stolen. The state he is in requires an original birth certificate, which he ordered, and it took 4 months to arrive. And then he went back to get the license and they said he needed additional proof so my MOM has to fly out to where he lives to show HER ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE so they will give my brother a license. Because apparently having a valid original birth certificate is not enough, they need to see that my mom exists or something?

Did he make a stupid mistake- yes. Did he hopefully learn a listen- jesus christ, I hope so. Is it just as easy as walking in and getting one, no, not always.

I had a similar problem when my wallet was stolen and then discovered my birth certificate had somehow been lost when we moved. NY wouldn’t send me a copy of my birth certificate without a copy of my license and Md wouldn’t give me a new license without my birth certificate. NY said I would have to hire a lawyer and go to court to prove I was me. Finally I realized my mom was entitled to a copy of my birth certificate and luckily she was still alive but it did take some time.

There’s a lot of poor people who do not have copies of their birth certificates. Some of the elderly born at home just never got them. Others lost them in multiple moves, evictions, leaving home suddenly to get away from an abusive spouse or parent, etc. because we are a federal system and every state does thinks differently, and people in this country change states a lot, it’s much more complicated than it is in most western democracies that have a unified national system (and often things like national health service that everyone is already enrolled it). I think everyone would be okay with all this if it weren’t gojng to make it so hard for a lot of people to vote. We just don’t have good infrastructure to support it and we can’t throw that together in an instant.

[Anonymous]

How exactly do poor people buy cigarettes or a bottle of wine?

Or get public assistance?

[Anonymous]

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How exactly do poor people [b]buy cigarettes or a bottle of wine[/b]?

Or get public assistance?

False equivalence. Are you really this dense? How many stores actually card someone who looks of age? Clerks at the liquor store do not always need to ask for ID if the person appears older than a certain age (and that age varies by state). I’m in my 50s and it’s been a good 20 years since I’ve been carded to purchase alcohol. You can also always get someone else to buy it for you if they check.

And to your second, point, they can't get public assistance: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/what-happens-to-people-who-cant-prove-who-they-are/2017/06/14/fc0aaca2-4215-11e7-adba-394ee67a7582_story.html

"For poor Americans, IDs are a lifeline — a key to unlocking services and opportunities, from housing to jobs to education. And in states with strict voter ID laws, the lack of an ID can hinder voting. “This is a huge issue for people who are homeless and poor in general,” says Maria Foscarinis, executive director of the National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty. “Without an ID, basically you don’t exist.”

"The Rev. Ben Roberts, Foundry's director of social justice ministries, oversees its ID operation...Without obstacles, the ID process could take about two weeks, but for many clients, he says, it lasts two to three months. "It mostly has to do with finding the time, energy and motivation to go to places and be told, 'No,' constantly," he explains."

Repeat after me. Make it cheap, easy and accessible to get a voter ID. Do that first and you'd get the support from Democrats. Oh, while we're at it, stop closing DMVs and limiting the hours of operation in places that target POCs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not redundant. Here’s SAN news

“Under the current National Voter Registration Act, individuals attest to their citizenship by checking a box on registration forms. However, the SAVE Act proposes significant changes, requiring prospective voters to furnish documentation proving their citizenship. Accepted forms of proof include a U.S. passport, a photo ID card issued with proof of citizenship, or a combination of a photo ID and supporting documents like a birth certificate.

For those lacking these documents, states would gain access to federal agency databases to verify citizenship status for voter registration purposes, according to the text of the bill. The bill also includes provisions to remove noncitizens from voter rolls and grants discretion to the Department of Homeland Security to deport noncitizens found to have illegally registered to vote.“

Sounds good to me. Most countries require voter ID - why shouldn't we? Who on earth would vote against this?

In fact, EVERY other country requires voter ID.

Democrats just can’t win without cheating.

Bingo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How exactly do poor people [b]buy cigarettes or a bottle of wine[/b]?

Or get public assistance?

False equivalence. Are you really this dense? How many stores actually card someone who looks of age? Clerks at the liquor store do not always need to ask for ID if the person appears older than a certain age (and that age varies by state). I’m in my 50s and it’s been a good 20 years since I’ve been carded to purchase alcohol. You can also always get someone else to buy it for you if they check.

And to your second, point, they can't get public assistance: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/what-happens-to-people-who-cant-prove-who-they-are/2017/06/14/fc0aaca2-4215-11e7-adba-394ee67a7582_story.html

"For poor Americans, IDs are a lifeline — a key to unlocking services and opportunities, from housing to jobs to education. And in states with strict voter ID laws, the lack of an ID can hinder voting. “This is a huge issue for people who are homeless and poor in general,” says Maria Foscarinis, executive director of the National Law Center on Homelessness & Poverty. “Without an ID, basically you don’t exist.”

"The Rev. Ben Roberts, Foundry's director of social justice ministries, oversees its ID operation...Without obstacles, the ID process could take about two weeks, but for many clients, he says, it lasts two to three months. "It mostly has to do with finding the time, energy and motivation to go to places and be told, 'No,' constantly," he explains."

Repeat after me. Make it cheap, easy and accessible to get a voter ID. Do that first and you'd get the support from Democrats. Oh, while we're at it, stop closing DMVs and limiting the hours of operation in places that target POCs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a redundant law that accomplishes nothing new.

Non-citizens are already prohibited from voting by numerous laws and statutes, for example:

18 U.S. Code § 611: This federal law explicitly prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections, stating: "It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for one of the offices referred to in this subsection."

National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA): This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen.

Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA): This law mandates that first-time voters who register by mail provide identification to verify their identity and citizenship.

Also, the Constitution effectively limits voting to citizens.

This bill is redundant, accomplishes nothing new, wasted time and money, and was nothing but performative theater by the Republicans for no good reason other than to feed into their BS narrative that illegal aliens are "replacing" Americans at the polls and everywhere else. These false Republican claims have repeatedly been debunked and disproven. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/may/20/mike-johnson/mike-johnsons-false-claim-that-immigrants-paroled/

This is the fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a redundant law that accomplishes nothing new.

Non-citizens are already prohibited from voting by numerous laws and statutes, for example:

18 U.S. Code § 611: This federal law explicitly prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections, stating: "It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for one of the offices referred to in this subsection."

National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA): This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen.

Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA): This law mandates that first-time voters who register by mail provide identification to verify their identity and citizenship.

Also, the Constitution effectively limits voting to citizens.

This bill is redundant, accomplishes nothing new, wasted time and money, and was nothing but performative theater by the Republicans for no good reason other than to feed into their BS narrative that illegal aliens are "replacing" Americans at the polls and everywhere else. These false Republican claims have repeatedly been debunked and disproven. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/may/20/mike-johnson/mike-johnsons-false-claim-that-immigrants-paroled/

This is the fact.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a redundant law that accomplishes nothing new.

Non-citizens are already prohibited from voting by numerous laws and statutes, for example:

18 U.S. Code § 611: This federal law explicitly prohibits non-citizens from voting in federal elections, stating: "It shall be unlawful for any alien to vote in any election held solely or in part for the purpose of electing a candidate for the office of President, Vice President, Presidential elector, Member of the Senate, Member of the House of Representatives, Delegate from the District of Columbia, or Resident Commissioner, unless (1) the election is held partly for some other purpose; (2) aliens are authorized to vote for such other purpose under a State constitution or statute or a local ordinance; and (3) voting for such other purpose is conducted independently of voting for one of the offices referred to in this subsection."

National Voter Registration Act of 1993 (NVRA): This act requires that states provide voter registration forms that include an affirmation that the registrant is a U.S. citizen.

Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA): This law mandates that first-time voters who register by mail provide identification to verify their identity and citizenship.

Also, the Constitution effectively limits voting to citizens.

This bill is redundant, accomplishes nothing new, wasted time and money, and was nothing but performative theater by the Republicans for no good reason other than to feed into their BS narrative that illegal aliens are "replacing" Americans at the polls and everywhere else. These false Republican claims have repeatedly been debunked and disproven. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2024/may/20/mike-johnson/mike-johnsons-false-claim-that-immigrants-paroled/

This is the fact.

It's so telling that nobody is engaging on this or disputing it, instead they are just trying to bury it with more disingenuous right wing spin and spam.

[Anonymous]

You do realize that this bill would require not just ID, but proof of citizenship - birth certificate (presumably official stamped one), passport, or naturalization papers? This would be a lot more difficult for regular citizens ....

[Anonymous]

If you’re so stupid you can’t get a valid ID I don’t think you should be voting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not redundant. Here’s SAN news

“Under the current National Voter Registration Act, individuals attest to their citizenship by checking a box on registration forms. However, the SAVE Act proposes significant changes, requiring prospective voters to furnish documentation proving their citizenship. Accepted forms of proof include a U.S. passport, a photo ID card issued with proof of citizenship, or a combination of a photo ID and supporting documents like a birth certificate.

For those lacking these documents, states would gain access to federal agency databases to verify citizenship status for voter registration purposes, according to the text of the bill. The bill also includes provisions to remove noncitizens from voter rolls and grants discretion to the Department of Homeland Security to deport noncitizens found to have illegally registered to vote.“

Sounds good to me. Most countries require voter ID - why shouldn't we? Who on earth would vote against this?

In fact, EVERY other country requires voter ID.

Democrats just can’t win without cheating.

Funny how Democrats aren’t fighting to protect voting integrity.
Fight to make it easier to get IDs.
Why not?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not redundant. Here’s SAN news

“Under the current National Voter Registration Act, individuals attest to their citizenship by checking a box on registration forms. However, the SAVE Act proposes significant changes, requiring prospective voters to furnish documentation proving their citizenship. Accepted forms of proof include a U.S. passport, a photo ID card issued with proof of citizenship, or a combination of a photo ID and supporting documents like a birth certificate.

For those lacking these documents, states would gain access to federal agency databases to verify citizenship status for voter registration purposes, according to the text of the bill. The bill also includes provisions to remove noncitizens from voter rolls and grants discretion to the Department of Homeland Security to deport noncitizens found to have illegally registered to vote.“

Sounds good to me. Most countries require voter ID - why shouldn't we? Who on earth would vote against this?

In fact, EVERY other country requires voter ID.

Democrats just can’t win without cheating.

Funny how Democrats aren’t fighting to protect voting integrity.
Fight to make it easier to get IDs.
Why not?

They know exactly what they are doing. They aren’t even trying to hide it any more.