White applicants fall and Asian-American applicants flat to highly selective schools.

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Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

Where is he now?

Since fewer than 1,000 blacks score above 1550 on the SAT, having such a score is a huge hook.

How do you know this? Please provide a citation.

DP: It is approximately 1K but that is based on one sitting in a testing year. You can find the data via College Board annual reports. The Journal of Blacks in Higher Ed also keeps track of the data. According to JBHE, approx. 2K Black students apply each year with a score >1500. There are another 2k students with equivalent ACT scores. According to JBHE researchers, in any given application cycle, there are approximately 3-4k Black students applying with 1500+/34+ scores.

That's interesting. I know of at least 4 black students (my DC included) at my child's school alone who scored 34+ this cycle.

That puts them in the 99th percentile. Smart kids.

African Americans. Or Blacks from Africa and Caribbean? Big difference between these two.

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Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

If this is gaming the system, keep it up!

well, my Asian/White kid had higher stats than that and got rejected from T15, so I guess my DC isn't playing the game correctly.

Rest of the application probably lagged. Such is life. Oh well.

And somehow you know that! Is that along the lines of "Asians have high stats, but they don't do anything else" nonsense we see here all the time? The rest of the application 'lagged' because they don't have hispanic grandparents, not Black, and don't have board members to write letters for them.

A black kid getting high stats is the hook. An Asian kid getting high stats is a dime a dozen. That's the problem.

For Asian kids, their race is a detriment.

Two kids with the same stats and similar extra curriculars, one Black; the other Asian. One spot left. It'll go to the Black kid for the DEI.

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Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

Similar. 4.8 UW. 35 ACT. NHRP. Also no diversity essay. In at T20.

Maybe it was the grandparent. But whatever.

Some people have legacy. Some people have private equity. Some people have fencing.

And some people have a grandparent from Argentina.

Yep. It was def the grandparent. It’s ok - use it if you have it.

But just like ppl complain abt legacy expect a ton of scrutiny. But you are right everyone has their own type of advantage they are working.

We’ve used all the contacts we have - board letters at 8 schools. Two of them Ivy. 4 of the others t20 (non-Ivy). Spouse has a very high profile career with a ton of these contacts that we’ve leveraged to the hilt, and folks have done so willingly.

You’ve got to do what you can…..whatever the advantage is. This is not a fair game.

We have none of those.. First gen immigrants that started from scratch and made the mistake of saving, so no financial aid either. We just lied on the application.

Lied about what?

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Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

If this is gaming the system, keep it up!

well, my Asian/White kid had higher stats than that and got rejected from T15, so I guess my DC isn't playing the game correctly.

Rest of the application probably lagged. Such is life. Oh well.

And somehow you know that! Is that along the lines of "Asians have high stats, but they don't do anything else" nonsense we see here all the time? The rest of the application 'lagged' because they don't have hispanic grandparents, not Black, and don't have board members to write letters for them.

A black kid getting high stats is the hook. An Asian kid getting high stats is a dime a dozen. That's the problem.

For Asian kids, their race is a detriment.

Two kids with the same stats and similar extra curriculars, one Black; the other Asian. One spot left. It'll go to the Black kid for the DEI.

Look up the definition of overrepresented. Digest that, then look up the definition of underrepresented. You'll get it afterwards...I hope.

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Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

If this is gaming the system, keep it up!

well, my Asian/White kid had higher stats than that and got rejected from T15, so I guess my DC isn't playing the game correctly.

Rest of the application probably lagged. Such is life. Oh well.

And somehow you know that! Is that along the lines of "Asians have high stats, but they don't do anything else" nonsense we see here all the time? The rest of the application 'lagged' because they don't have hispanic grandparents, not Black, and don't have board members to write letters for them.

A black kid getting high stats is the hook. An Asian kid getting high stats is a dime a dozen. That's the problem.

For Asian kids, their race is a detriment.

Two kids with the same stats and similar extra curriculars, one Black; the other Asian. One spot left. It'll go to the Black kid for the DEI.

Look up the definition of overrepresented. Digest that, then look up the definition of underrepresented. You'll get it afterwards...I hope.

Why it’s so imp for Asian kids to not get stuck in the CS/Engineering/pre-med loop.
Starting in 9th, create a unique edgy pointy new persona so it works with an unconventional major

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But if they want CS/engineering they will now get locked out of those majors at most T50 all schools since you cannot switch in. So being pointy in another area = getting shut out of a major they may have wanted.

Pre-med is the anomaly since you really can be any major and just take the pre req. But many kids/parents now shy away from this due to ROI - not as lucrative as it once was.

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Anonymous wrote:But if they want CS/engineering they will now get locked out of those majors at most T50 all schools since you cannot switch in. So being pointy in another area = getting shut out of a major they may have wanted.

Pre-med is the anomaly since you really can be any major and just take the pre req. But many kids/parents now shy away from this due to ROI - not as lucrative as it once was.

I know lots of Asian kids who go work on Wall Street with a history or economics or anthro major (look at Dartmouth)….
The key is a tailored approach for each school.
At a T20, no to CS/Eng as C a declared major.
if you can afford any school, this is the right strategy.

Asian mom here.

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Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

If this is gaming the system, keep it up!

well, my Asian/White kid had higher stats than that and got rejected from T15, so I guess my DC isn't playing the game correctly.

Rest of the application probably lagged. Such is life. Oh well.

And somehow you know that! Is that along the lines of "Asians have high stats, but they don't do anything else" nonsense we see here all the time? The rest of the application 'lagged' because they don't have hispanic grandparents, not Black, and don't have board members to write letters for them.

A black kid getting high stats is the hook. An Asian kid getting high stats is a dime a dozen. That's the problem.

For Asian kids, their race is a detriment.

Two kids with the same stats and similar extra curriculars, one Black; the other Asian. One spot left. It'll go to the Black kid for the DEI.

Look up the definition of overrepresented. Digest that, then look up the definition of underrepresented. You'll get it afterwards...I hope.

Well yes, that's why I stated the DEI factor. So, again, their race, something that we have no control
over, becomes a detriment.

Maybe I should've procreated with a black person. Then I could game the system.

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Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

Similar. 4.8 UW. 35 ACT. NHRP. Also no diversity essay. In at T20.

Maybe it was the grandparent. But whatever.

Some people have legacy. Some people have private equity. Some people have fencing.

And some people have a grandparent from Argentina.

Yep. It was def the grandparent. It’s ok - use it if you have it.

But just like ppl complain abt legacy expect a ton of scrutiny. But you are right everyone has their own type of advantage they are working.

We’ve used all the contacts we have - board letters at 8 schools. Two of them Ivy. 4 of the others t20 (non-Ivy). Spouse has a very high profile career with a ton of these contacts that we’ve leveraged to the hilt, and folks have done so willingly.

You’ve got to do what you can…..whatever the advantage is. This is not a fair game.

We have none of those.. First gen immigrants that started from scratch and made the mistake of saving, so no financial aid either. We just lied on the application.

Were you able to do Questbridge? Is it frist gen only or first gen AND income based?

It is first gen and income based. My DH became a citizen in his mid-20s but we make too much money for it.

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I hate threads like this. It’s just a parade of sour grapes. So your kid didn’t get into an Ivy? There are plenty of other schools. Also there is no evidence that your “kid’s spot” went to an URM. It could be a legacy. Or maybe a rural white kid? You don’t know and the animosity towards URM on this board is gross.

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Asians have a harder time pretending to be hispanic. That's why you see the switch from white to hispanic.

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I think people are still applying based on admissions trends from past years. I think the dominant narrative is still "selective colleges are woke," which is why URMs are up and self identified whites are down.

We have no idea what the post affirmative action ban admit numbers will look like, and neither does anyone else. I'm not sure if AOs even have a good grasp of what will happen.

These numbers will look a lot different in the next few years.

There will be a big adjustment when the numbers come out, over way out the other.

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Nobody has any data because the RD season isn't even close to finished. Lots of speculation in these forums.

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Anonymous wrote:White/Asian wouldn't want to identify their race given it's a point against them, though the last name for Asians give it away.

URM would identify their race since being a URM is a point for them. So, it makes sense to that their numbers go up, and the "not specified" number also goes up.

This makes no sense. It's not like whites and Asians face discrimination in college admissions. On the contrary.

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Anonymous wrote:White/Asian wouldn't want to identify their race given it's a point against them, though the last name for Asians give it away.

URM would identify their race since being a URM is a point for them. So, it makes sense to that their numbers go up, and the "not specified" number also goes up.

This makes no sense. It's not like whites and Asians face discrimination in college admissions. On the contrary.

They don't this cycle, not legally anyhow. Asians did in previous years though, per the Supreme Court.