White applicants fall and Asian-American applicants flat to highly selective schools.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't need a box. They can use the name. I should change our last name to Hernandez or something.

Not under the law, they can't. You are overestimating selective colleges' appetite for legal mischief. This year is going to be a bad year for URMs. No one's prepared for it and everyone will be surprised. URMs, AOs, internet racists, everyone.

I think you are a bit too pollyanna here.

Colleges can use whatever admissions criteria that they want. If they can't use the race box, then they'll use other means. SCOTUS allowed that applicants can discuss their race in their college essays, and colleges have indicated that they would look at that. Using the name is the next best way for colleges to determine race. It's not foolproof, but it would work 90% of the time.

Colleges also don't want lawsuits and the same people who brought the SC case are cocked and loaded. They will be watching the numbers, and if they don't see the large drop in URM enrollment that they expect (like California saw) they'll be ready with a manufactured case. Just bringing the case will force the colleges to prove that there wasn't a race-based decision. They want diverse campuses, but they don't want lawsuits. As a result, they'll be leaning on athletic recruits and Questbridge for diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't need a box. They can use the name. I should change our last name to Hernandez or something.

Not under the law, they can't. You are overestimating selective colleges' appetite for legal mischief. This year is going to be a bad year for URMs. No one's prepared for it and everyone will be surprised. URMs, AOs, internet racists, everyone.

I think you are a bit too pollyanna here.

Colleges can use whatever admissions criteria that they want. If they can't use the race box, then they'll use other means. SCOTUS allowed that applicants can discuss their race in their college essays, and colleges have indicated that they would look at that. Using the name is the next best way for colleges to determine race. It's not foolproof, but it would work 90% of the time.

That's true, but it means that the contest has now shifted from "who adds more diversity?" to "who writes the most compelling diversity essays?" Essay writing as a skill is not evenly distributed among racial groups in America, nor is competent college counseling widespread ("make sure to mention that you're URM in your essay."). URM enrollment at elites might not fall off a cliff, but it will go down substantially.

To put it another way, you no longer get points for being who you are. You now get points for making a case that being who you are is important. That's substantially harder, even if adcoms read as sympathetically as possible (which I suppose they will).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Asians have a harder time pretending to be hispanic. That's why you see the switch from white to hispanic.

I should've moved to South America to have my Asian babies, then moved here. They can claim South American.

Can help for Filipinos. Many have Latino last names, due to Spanish imperialist history

[Anonymous]

Does the Hispanic BS apply to anyone with a Spanish or Portuguese ancestry? How about Goans (from Goa, India)? Are they penalized for being Indian or benefit from being Portuguese ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't need a box. They can use the name. I should change our last name to Hernandez or something.

Not under the law, they can't. You are overestimating selective colleges' appetite for legal mischief. This year is going to be a bad year for URMs. No one's prepared for it and everyone will be surprised. URMs, AOs, internet racists, everyone.

I think you are a bit too pollyanna here.

Colleges can use whatever admissions criteria that they want. If they can't use the race box, then they'll use other means. SCOTUS allowed that applicants can discuss their race in their college essays, and colleges have indicated that they would look at that. Using the name is the next best way for colleges to determine race. It's not foolproof, but it would work 90% of the time.

Colleges also don't want lawsuits and the same people who brought the SC case are cocked and loaded. They will be watching the numbers, and if they don't see the large drop in URM enrollment that they expect (like California saw) they'll be ready with a manufactured case. Just bringing the case will force the colleges to prove that there wasn't a race-based decision. They want diverse campuses, but they don't want lawsuits. As a result, they'll be leaning on athletic recruits and Questbridge for diversity.

As they should. On demand. Education is a heavily subsidized public good and they get away with a lot of things. How is it right for individuals to feel discriminated when they go looking for a public good at a place of their choosing? How would you like it if a hospital you go to sends you away because you are the wrong race and they haven't met the quota for another race?

The 'other' race may not have the resources to even get to the hospital, you say? Well, let's fix that issue as a society vs. expecting the hospital to take care of 'inequality' by discriminating against other races.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't need a box. They can use the name. I should change our last name to Hernandez or something.

Not under the law, they can't. You are overestimating selective colleges' appetite for legal mischief. This year is going to be a bad year for URMs. No one's prepared for it and everyone will be surprised. URMs, AOs, internet racists, everyone.

I think you are a bit too pollyanna here.

Colleges can use whatever admissions criteria that they want. If they can't use the race box, then they'll use other means. SCOTUS allowed that applicants can discuss their race in their college essays, and colleges have indicated that they would look at that. Using the name is the next best way for colleges to determine race. It's not foolproof, but it would work 90% of the time.

Colleges also don't want lawsuits and the same people who brought the SC case are cocked and loaded. They will be watching the numbers, and if they don't see the large drop in URM enrollment that they expect (like California saw) they'll be ready with a manufactured case. Just bringing the case will force the colleges to prove that there wasn't a race-based decision. They want diverse campuses, but they don't want lawsuits. As a result, they'll be leaning on athletic recruits and Questbridge for diversity.

As they should. On demand. Education is a heavily subsidized public good and they get away with a lot of things. How is it right for individuals to feel discriminated when they go looking for a public good at a place of their choosing? How would you like it if a hospital you go to sends you away because you are the wrong race and they haven't met the quota for another race?

The 'other' race may not have the resources to even get to the hospital, you say? Well, let's fix that issue as a society vs. expecting the hospital to take care of 'inequality' by discriminating against other races.

I do believe that wanting a diverse class is a legitimate goal for an institute of higher learning. If a class is leaning heavily male and there is a remaining pool of equally qualified candidates, I think it's fine for those deciding to pick some female candidates to try to more evenly distribute the class. Same with majors. And race. I also think we can do more than one thing at a time so fixing society can be a goal at the same time as promoting diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don't need a box. They can use the name. I should change our last name to Hernandez or something.

Not under the law, they can't. You are overestimating selective colleges' appetite for legal mischief. This year is going to be a bad year for URMs. No one's prepared for it and everyone will be surprised. URMs, AOs, internet racists, everyone.

I think you are a bit too pollyanna here.

Colleges can use whatever admissions criteria that they want. If they can't use the race box, then they'll use other means. SCOTUS allowed that applicants can discuss their race in their college essays, and colleges have indicated that they would look at that. Using the name is the next best way for colleges to determine race. It's not foolproof, but it would work 90% of the time.

Colleges also don't want lawsuits and the same people who brought the SC case are cocked and loaded. They will be watching the numbers, and if they don't see the large drop in URM enrollment that they expect (like California saw) they'll be ready with a manufactured case. Just bringing the case will force the colleges to prove that there wasn't a race-based decision. They want diverse campuses, but they don't want lawsuits. As a result, they'll be leaning on athletic recruits and Questbridge for diversity.

As they should. On demand. Education is a heavily subsidized public good and they get away with a lot of things. How is it right for individuals to feel discriminated when they go looking for a public good at a place of their choosing? How would you like it if a hospital you go to sends you away because you are the wrong race and they haven't met the quota for another race?

The 'other' race may not have the resources to even get to the hospital, you say? Well, let's fix that issue as a society vs. expecting the hospital to take care of 'inequality' by discriminating against other races.

I do believe that wanting a diverse class is a legitimate goal for an institute of higher learning. If a class is leaning heavily male and there is a remaining pool of equally qualified candidates, I think it's fine for those deciding to pick some female candidates to try to more evenly distribute the class. Same with majors. And race. I also think we can do more than one thing at a time so fixing society can be a goal at the same time as promoting diversity.

Fair enough. Also fair that a large chunk of the population would disagree with that point of view, especially when higher education is the gateway to success and they don't want those gatekeepers to control access in any way.