White applicants fall and Asian-American applicants flat to highly selective schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians have a harder time pretending to be hispanic. That's why you see the switch from white to hispanic.

I should've moved to South America to have my Asian babies, then moved here. They can claim South American.

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Anonymous wrote:Asians have a harder time pretending to be hispanic. That's why you see the switch from white to hispanic.

I should've moved to South America to have my Asian babies, then moved here. They can claim South American.

Well, the box can be checked so long as you identify with the ethnicity. Celebrate Cinco de Mayo? Check the box.

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"The box" doesn't matter any more, you are repeating last year's stale jokes.

Unless you can write a compelling essay about how you overcame obstacles from celebrating Cinco de Mayo or were inspired by Cinco de Mayo to house orphans or something like that, it's illegal to consider.

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Anonymous wrote:"The box" doesn't matter any more, you are repeating last year's stale jokes.

Unless you can write a compelling essay about how you overcame obstacles from celebrating Cinco de Mayo or were inspired by Cinco de Mayo to house orphans or something like that, it's illegal to consider.

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The "box" is gone. Not a single college we applied to accepted that data point. And there was no point in goosing the essays to include some kid of discussion. Writing a good one is hard enough. Trying to slip in "I'm Afro-Latino" would have be a waste of time. And, as it turns out, wasn't needed.

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Anonymous wrote:"The box" doesn't matter any more, you are repeating last year's stale jokes.

Unless you can write a compelling essay about how you overcame obstacles from celebrating Cinco de Mayo or were inspired by Cinco de Mayo to house orphans or something like that, it's illegal to consider.

Except the box in the College Board profile, for those who perform well on the PSAT, allows students to include the National Hispanic Recognition Program in their Common App award section.

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Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Really? Didn’t work for our DC from a big 3

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Unless you can write a compelling essay about how you overcame obstacles from celebrating Cinco de Mayo or were inspired by Cinco de Mayo to house orphans or something like that, it's illegal to consider.

We'll believe that when that box is gone completely. Stop asking those questions.

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Don't need a box. They can use the name. I should change our last name to Hernandez or something.

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Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

Where is he now?

Since fewer than 1,000 blacks score above 1550 on the SAT, having such a score is a huge hook.

How do you know this? Please provide a citation.

DP: It is approximately 1K but that is based on one sitting in a testing year. You can find the data via College Board annual reports. The Journal of Blacks in Higher Ed also keeps track of the data. According to JBHE, approx. 2K Black students apply each year with a score >1500. There are another 2k students with equivalent ACT scores. According to JBHE researchers, in any given application cycle, there are approximately 3-4k Black students applying with 1500+/34+ scores.

That's interesting. I know of at least 4 black students (my DC included) at my child's school alone who scored 34+ this cycle.

That puts them in the 99th percentile. Smart kids.

African Americans. Or Blacks from Africa and Caribbean? Big difference between these two.

Not in in the USA, and definitely not when they are getting profiled by cops, store owners, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't need a box. They can use the name. I should change our last name to Hernandez or something.

Not under the law, they can't. You are overestimating selective colleges' appetite for legal mischief. This year is going to be a bad year for URMs. No one's prepared for it and everyone will be surprised. URMs, AOs, internet racists, everyone.

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The box isn’t gone. At least not where we applied!

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Anonymous wrote:The box isn’t gone. At least not where we applied!

To be clear, the box remains in the Common App because colleges are required to report this data later. The box is not viewable by admissions officers making admission decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't need a box. They can use the name. I should change our last name to Hernandez or something.

Not under the law, they can't. You are overestimating selective colleges' appetite for legal mischief. This year is going to be a bad year for URMs. No one's prepared for it and everyone will be surprised. URMs, AOs, internet racists, everyone.

I think you are a bit too pollyanna here.

Colleges can use whatever admissions criteria that they want. If they can't use the race box, then they'll use other means. SCOTUS allowed that applicants can discuss their race in their college essays, and colleges have indicated that they would look at that. Using the name is the next best way for colleges to determine race. It's not foolproof, but it would work 90% of the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Don't need a box. They can use the name. I should change our last name to Hernandez or something.

Not under the law, they can't. You are overestimating selective colleges' appetite for legal mischief. This year is going to be a bad year for URMs. No one's prepared for it and everyone will be surprised. URMs, AOs, internet racists, everyone.

I think you are a bit too pollyanna here.

Colleges can use whatever admissions criteria that they want. If they can't use the race box, then they'll use other means. SCOTUS allowed that applicants can discuss their race in their college essays, and colleges have indicated that they would look at that. Using the name is the next best way for colleges to determine race. It's not foolproof, but it would work 90% of the time.

That's true, but it means that the contest has now shifted from "who adds more diversity?" to "who writes the most compelling diversity essays?" Essay writing as a skill is not evenly distributed among racial groups in America, nor is competent college counseling widespread ("make sure to mention that you're URM in your essay."). URM enrollment at elites might not fall off a cliff, but it will go down substantially.

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Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

If this is gaming the system, keep it up!

well, my Asian/White kid had higher stats than that and got rejected from T15, so I guess my DC isn't playing the game correctly.

Rest of the application probably lagged. Such is life. Oh well.

And somehow you know that! Is that along the lines of "Asians have high stats, but they don't do anything else" nonsense we see here all the time? The rest of the application 'lagged' because they don't have hispanic grandparents, not Black, and don't have board members to write letters for them.

A black kid getting high stats is the hook. An Asian kid getting high stats is a dime a dozen. That's the problem.

For Asian kids, their race is a detriment.

Two kids with the same stats and similar extra curriculars, one Black; the other Asian. One spot left. It'll go to the Black kid for the DEI.

Look up the definition of overrepresented. Digest that, then look up the definition of underrepresented. You'll get it afterwards...I hope.

Well yes, that's why I stated the DEI factor. So, again, their race, something that we have no control
over, becomes a detriment.

Maybe I should've procreated with a black person. Then I could game the system.

In highly selective college admissions, your competition is Ling, not Jamal.

It's not the 1950s. Colleges do want diversity AND based on example PP provided, stats and ECs are similar. There are some very smart URMs applying to colleges too.