White applicants fall and Asian-American applicants flat to highly selective schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

Where is he now?

Since fewer than 1,000 blacks score above 1550 on the SAT, having such a score is a huge hook.

How do you know this? Please provide a citation.

DP: It is approximately 1K but that is based on one sitting in a testing year. You can find the data via College Board annual reports. The Journal of Blacks in Higher Ed also keeps track of the data. According to JBHE, approx. 2K Black students apply each year with a score >1500. There are another 2k students with equivalent ACT scores. According to JBHE researchers, in any given application cycle, there are approximately 3-4k Black students applying with 1500+/34+ scores.

How many Asian students apply with the same scores?

A lot more. And if they are all competing for the same seats them there will be a whole lot of disappointment. Before the SC it would have been easy for HYP to find students by discrete criteria. Now they can't and it is back to interviews and essays to figure out which basically perfect students get admitted.

+1 According to the data, approximately 19k Asian students scored >1500 on the SAT.

ACT doesn't release percentile ranks by race, but Asian students are only 4% of the testing pool, and I can't find additional data via JBHE.
However, approx. 15K white students scored >1500 on the SAT and 52% of ACT students are white, which means that the total number of white students scoring >1500/34 is most likely higher even though the percentage of Asian students scoring high is much larger for any racial group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

Similar. 4.8 UW. 35 ACT. NHRP. Also no diversity essay. In at T20.

Maybe it was the grandparent. But whatever.

Some people have legacy. Some people have private equity. Some people have fencing.

And some people have a grandparent from Argentina.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

Similar. 4.8 UW. 35 ACT. NHRP. Also no diversity essay. In at T20.

Maybe it was the grandparent. But whatever.

Some people have legacy. Some people have private equity. Some people have fencing.

And some people have a grandparent from Argentina.

Yep. It was def the grandparent. It’s ok - use it if you have it.

But just like ppl complain abt legacy expect a ton of scrutiny. But you are right everyone has their own type of advantage they are working.

We’ve used all the contacts we have - board letters at 8 schools. Two of them Ivy. 4 of the others t20 (non-Ivy). Spouse has a very high profile career with a ton of these contacts that we’ve leveraged to the hilt, and folks have done so willingly.

You’ve got to do what you can…..whatever the advantage is. This is not a fair game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

Similar. 4.8 UW. 35 ACT. NHRP. Also no diversity essay. In at T20.

Maybe it was the grandparent. But whatever.

Some people have legacy. Some people have private equity. Some people have fencing.

And some people have a grandparent from Argentina.

Yep. It was def the grandparent. It’s ok - use it if you have it.

But just like ppl complain abt legacy expect a ton of scrutiny. But you are right everyone has their own type of advantage they are working.

We’ve used all the contacts we have - board letters at 8 schools. Two of them Ivy. 4 of the others t20 (non-Ivy). Spouse has a very high profile career with a ton of these contacts that we’ve leveraged to the hilt, and folks have done so willingly.

You’ve got to do what you can…..whatever the advantage is. This is not a fair game.

8 different board members wrote your kid a letter for 8 diff schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

If this is gaming the system, keep it up!

well, my Asian/White kid had higher stats than that and got rejected from T15, so I guess my DC isn't playing the game correctly.

Rest of the application probably lagged. Such is life. Oh well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

If this is gaming the system, keep it up!

well, my Asian/White kid had higher stats than that and got rejected from T15, so I guess my DC isn't playing the game correctly.

Rest of the application probably lagged. Such is life. Oh well.

Ignore this. How mean.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

Similar. 4.8 UW. 35 ACT. NHRP. Also no diversity essay. In at T20.

Maybe it was the grandparent. But whatever.

Some people have legacy. Some people have private equity. Some people have fencing.

And some people have a grandparent from Argentina.

Yep. It was def the grandparent. It’s ok - use it if you have it.

But just like ppl complain abt legacy expect a ton of scrutiny. But you are right everyone has their own type of advantage they are working.

We’ve used all the contacts we have - board letters at 8 schools. Two of them Ivy. 4 of the others t20 (non-Ivy). Spouse has a very high profile career with a ton of these contacts that we’ve leveraged to the hilt, and folks have done so willingly.

You’ve got to do what you can…..whatever the advantage is. This is not a fair game.

If the applicant has high stats, that should pass scrutiny, regardless of whatever other advantage was involved. Some reasons for admission are unlikely to make it into a written record.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

Similar. 4.8 UW. 35 ACT. NHRP. Also no diversity essay. In at T20.

Maybe it was the grandparent. But whatever.

Some people have legacy. Some people have private equity. Some people have fencing.

And some people have a grandparent from Argentina.

Yep. It was def the grandparent. It’s ok - use it if you have it.

But just like ppl complain abt legacy expect a ton of scrutiny. But you are right everyone has their own type of advantage they are working.

We’ve used all the contacts we have - board letters at 8 schools. Two of them Ivy. 4 of the others t20 (non-Ivy). Spouse has a very high profile career with a ton of these contacts that we’ve leveraged to the hilt, and folks have done so willingly.

You’ve got to do what you can…..whatever the advantage is. This is not a fair game.

8 different board members wrote your kid a letter for 8 diff schools?

Hard to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

If this is gaming the system, keep it up!

well, my Asian/White kid had higher stats than that and got rejected from T15, so I guess my DC isn't playing the game correctly.

Rest of the application probably lagged. Such is life. Oh well.

Ignore this. How mean.

You missed the tinge of grievance in PP's post with a sarcastic smile.

Figures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

Similar. 4.8 UW. 35 ACT. NHRP. Also no diversity essay. In at T20.

Maybe it was the grandparent. But whatever.

Some people have legacy. Some people have private equity. Some people have fencing.

And some people have a grandparent from Argentina.

Yep. It was def the grandparent. It’s ok - use it if you have it.

But just like ppl complain abt legacy expect a ton of scrutiny. But you are right everyone has their own type of advantage they are working.

We’ve used all the contacts we have - board letters at 8 schools. Two of them Ivy. 4 of the others t20 (non-Ivy). Spouse has a very high profile career with a ton of these contacts that we’ve leveraged to the hilt, and folks have done so willingly.

You’ve got to do what you can…..whatever the advantage is. This is not a fair game.

8 different board members wrote your kid a letter for 8 diff schools?

Yes and we somewhat embarrassed by it but this is a very unusual year. And we scrambled in Dec and Jan to get this done.
Non-DMV private.

Getting the college application read and evaluated has became critical.

Kid has scores and stats but have been told by private college counselor it’s about using any and all cards available this year. The influx of applications means most apps get a brief pre-read by the $15/hr pre-readers and 70%+ don’t make it to the next level.

Key is making sure app gets to committee. That requires letters of support - from various board members or large donors - which guarantees app is read by most senior AO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

Similar. 4.8 UW. 35 ACT. NHRP. Also no diversity essay. In at T20.

Maybe it was the grandparent. But whatever.

Some people have legacy. Some people have private equity. Some people have fencing.

And some people have a grandparent from Argentina.

Yep. It was def the grandparent. It’s ok - use it if you have it.

But just like ppl complain abt legacy expect a ton of scrutiny. But you are right everyone has their own type of advantage they are working.

We’ve used all the contacts we have - board letters at 8 schools. Two of them Ivy. 4 of the others t20 (non-Ivy). Spouse has a very high profile career with a ton of these contacts that we’ve leveraged to the hilt, and folks have done so willingly.

You’ve got to do what you can…..whatever the advantage is. This is not a fair game.

We have none of those.. First gen immigrants that started from scratch and made the mistake of saving, so no financial aid either. We just lied on the application.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

If this is gaming the system, keep it up!

well, my Asian/White kid had higher stats than that and got rejected from T15, so I guess my DC isn't playing the game correctly.

Rest of the application probably lagged. Such is life. Oh well.

And somehow you know that! Is that along the lines of "Asians have high stats, but they don't do anything else" nonsense we see here all the time? The rest of the application 'lagged' because they don't have hispanic grandparents, not Black, and don't have board members to write letters for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Every Hispanic kid we know - with Cuban or Brazilian or Colombian heritage - had gotte. Into every T10 they’ve applied.

Same. Brazilian and Argentinian.

Yep.

It's a good time to have a grandparent from South America.

And that's all it takes for the National Hispanic Recognition Program - plus scores and gpa. But it's not a particularly high bar.

Big hook.

Use it if you can. Colleges make the rules. You're just playing the game.

4.0, 1570, and NHRP, in at a T20. No diversity essays. With high stats, there's no way to know if NHRP helped, though surely it didn't hurt.

Similar. 4.8 UW. 35 ACT. NHRP. Also no diversity essay. In at T20.

Maybe it was the grandparent. But whatever.

Some people have legacy. Some people have private equity. Some people have fencing.

And some people have a grandparent from Argentina.

Yep. It was def the grandparent. It’s ok - use it if you have it.

But just like ppl complain abt legacy expect a ton of scrutiny. But you are right everyone has their own type of advantage they are working.

We’ve used all the contacts we have - board letters at 8 schools. Two of them Ivy. 4 of the others t20 (non-Ivy). Spouse has a very high profile career with a ton of these contacts that we’ve leveraged to the hilt, and folks have done so willingly.

You’ve got to do what you can…..whatever the advantage is. This is not a fair game.

We have none of those.. First gen immigrants that started from scratch and made the mistake of saving, so no financial aid either. We just lied on the application.

Were you able to do Questbridge? Is it frist gen only or first gen AND income based?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My black DS gamed the system with his 4.8 wGPA, 1540 SAT score, and six years of ECs showing his passion for an unpopular but very difficult STEM field

If this is gaming the system, keep it up!

well, my Asian/White kid had higher stats than that and got rejected from T15, so I guess my DC isn't playing the game correctly.

Rest of the application probably lagged. Such is life. Oh well.

yea, like they didn't play the game properly. Should've BS the essay and extra curriculars, or hired an expensive college consultant. Instead, I let them do their college app all on their own, including all their academics; no tutors. I clearly didn't get the memo that we are supposed to somehow game the system. We were too honest and naive, I guess. Thought DC would get in on their merits. How naive we were.