Different poster, I think she didn't have anything to lose with that employer because she was getting fired no matter what. But posting this online would likely harm her chances with other employers, if she would do this with Cloudfare of course she would do exactly the same with any other company. |
She would have a much stronger argument if she had made some sales. Zero sales and crying “but the holiday”, while perhaps understandable is a bad look for ruthless sales business. She will need to pivot out of sales clearly. |
If you're in tech sales, then you would know no one is going to get new sales by January after starting at the end of August. Certainly not in Cloudflare's market. And presumably her boss thought that to, since it is undisputed that the supervisor didn't express concern about that before the firing. |
Now watch her get a new job in record time. You might not like an employee that stands up for yourself, but there are people that do. And she got a lot of exposure. No, this isn't going to work for everyone, but she lucked out by Cloudflare's absolutely awful way of handling this. |
WARN act was almost certainly not triggered because they didn’t lay off that many people but if it was it wouldn’t matter the reasons the company gave. The company handled it badly because they didn’t think it would ever blow back on them— that they have all the power — and while that’s mostly true it’s not entirely true. |
| Let's all try to remember to check her linkedin profile in a few months to see where she landed. I am genuinely curious how this works out. |
Perfect response, very well stated. Kudos to their PR team! |
Everyone! She is a celeb |
They almost certainly did let go enough employees that WARN Act would have been triggered. They let go 40 on the sales team alone. I'm not saying that's a lot, but it's getting awfully close to 50. |
They would all have to be at the same site and be at least 1/3 of the jobs at that site to trigger WARN. |
DP. You're a dinosaur and the younger gen scares you, don't they. You put up with this bs and helped create a world no one can survive well in. I'm impressed that she held their feet to the fire. Cloudflare clearly is a company no one should aspire to work for. |
This problem isn't unique to Cloudflare. They're just the ones that got caught on a recording. |
| The US is the only country in the world with At Will employment. And this is what happens - no reason required so no reason given. Meanwhile companies can hire to talent hoard, give investors the short term impression they are moving in the right direction (increasing hiring is a good sign, no?), or just plan poorly and employees pay the price. Never ceases to amaze me that people are so willing to just accept it. |
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I wonder if this line from the CEO's statement gives some clues: "And sometimes under performing employees don’t actually listen to the feedback they’ve gotten before we let them go."
I find it hard to believe that there wouldn't have been some attempt to help her improve before letting her go. But I don't know anything about tech sales -- maybe some employees just have what it takes and others don't, so feedback is pointless? |
But she tried real hard y’all! And she did everything she was supposed to do. It wasn’t her fault that the client didn’t sign on the dotted line at the last minute.
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