Brittany Peach gets fired

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A Coudflare employee recorded herself being laid off (remotely, apparently by a pair of consultants (not named Bob)) and it’s garnering a lot of views.

I can understand her frustration at having to endure the droning, corporate-speak of these two people she’s never met who are tasked with delivering the bad new, but at the end of the day, she’s a whining zoomer who didn’t make any sales.

Nah, I love this generation. They are calling out my generation and older on bullsheet practices that wreck peoples lives. Good for her and I hope she finds an employer that values her and her work ethic. Not everyone wants to be crotchety and old like you, OP, standing by the water cooler, eating your stale homemade sandwich with mayonnaise oozing out of the creases of your mouth, telling boring stories about what you did on the weekend and then watching the clock so you can take an unnecessary two hour commute home and then do it all over again the next day. It's a new day and I'm here for it!

Just the attitude and respect for your coworkers that every employer is searching for. What exactly will you be here for in this new day? Doesn’t look like much that any employer is looking for.

Okay grandpa.

Again, what exactly do you have to offer any employer if this is your attitude and behavior? No one owes you anything.

Your last sentence struck a memory:

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2021/04/what-we-owe-each-other-book-minouche-shafik.htm

Your attitude is why we have so much social unrest. In vast majority of situations, there is a huge asymmetry between the employer and employee. Losing a job is an existential and very real crisis to the employee; losing a worker is normal course of business and barely registers for most corporations.

Employment should never be severed so quickly and without working. If BP knew she was on probation and that there would be adjudication at month 5 she could have made necessary arrangements, assuming she was receiving appropriate feedback. Instead she just started a job and now finds her without a means to support herself unexpectedly.

We at least owe people respect, and they Cloudfare certainly did not show that.

[Anonymous]

Lol how much did they pay the consultants to write that Twitter post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Coudflare employee recorded herself being laid off (remotely, apparently by a pair of consultants (not named Bob)) and it’s garnering a lot of views.

I can understand her frustration at having to endure the droning, corporate-speak of these two people she’s never met who are tasked with delivering the bad new, but at the end of the day, she’s a whining zoomer who didn’t make any sales.

Nah, I love this generation. They are calling out my generation and older on bullsheet practices that wreck peoples lives. Good for her and I hope she finds an employer that values her and her work ethic. Not everyone wants to be crotchety and old like you, OP, standing by the water cooler, eating your stale homemade sandwich with mayonnaise oozing out of the creases of your mouth, telling boring stories about what you did on the weekend and then watching the clock so you can take an unnecessary two hour commute home and then do it all over again the next day. It's a new day and I'm here for it!

Just the attitude and respect for your coworkers that every employer is searching for. What exactly will you be here for in this new day? Doesn’t look like much that any employer is looking for.

Okay grandpa.

Again, what exactly do you have to offer any employer if this is your attitude and behavior? No one owes you anything.

Your last sentence struck a memory:

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2021/04/what-we-owe-each-other-book-minouche-shafik.htm

Your attitude is why we have so much social unrest. In vast majority of situations, there is a huge asymmetry between the employer and employee. Losing a job is an existential and very real crisis to the employee; losing a worker is normal course of business and barely registers for most corporations.

Employment should never be severed so quickly and without working. If BP knew she was on probation and that there would be adjudication at month 5 she could have made necessary arrangements, assuming she was receiving appropriate feedback. Instead she just started a job and now finds her without a means to support herself unexpectedly.

We at least owe people respect, and they Cloudfare certainly did not show that.

There are tons of careers that are lower risk than tech sales. If you choose to go into tech sales you have the opportunity to be highly compensated, and with that you also are taking the risk that you can be fired without notice. I agree about respect, while the HR people were stiff they were respectful while her attitude toward her employer was anything but respectful. If she wants a lower risk career she will likely need to accept lower compensation, but she seems to be the type of educated young person who is making a decision and isn’t just stuck in a minimum wage job with no other opportunities. Save your sympathy for those who don’t have any chance of getting into tech sales to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sales is such a BS job anyway.

I have been on this website for 10 years and this may be the single stupidest post I have ever seen. And I spent a lot of time in the COVID threads.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Coudflare employee recorded herself being laid off (remotely, apparently by a pair of consultants (not named Bob)) and it’s garnering a lot of views.

I can understand her frustration at having to endure the droning, corporate-speak of these two people she’s never met who are tasked with delivering the bad new, but at the end of the day, she’s a whining zoomer who didn’t make any sales.

Nah, I love this generation. They are calling out my generation and older on bullsheet practices that wreck peoples lives. Good for her and I hope she finds an employer that values her and her work ethic. Not everyone wants to be crotchety and old like you, OP, standing by the water cooler, eating your stale homemade sandwich with mayonnaise oozing out of the creases of your mouth, telling boring stories about what you did on the weekend and then watching the clock so you can take an unnecessary two hour commute home and then do it all over again the next day. It's a new day and I'm here for it!

Just the attitude and respect for your coworkers that every employer is searching for. What exactly will you be here for in this new day? Doesn’t look like much that any employer is looking for.

Okay grandpa.

Again, what exactly do you have to offer any employer if this is your attitude and behavior? No one owes you anything.

Your last sentence struck a memory:

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2021/04/what-we-owe-each-other-book-minouche-shafik.htm

Your attitude is why we have so much social unrest. In vast majority of situations, there is a huge asymmetry between the employer and employee. Losing a job is an existential and very real crisis to the employee; losing a worker is normal course of business and barely registers for most corporations.

Employment should never be severed so quickly and without working. If BP knew she was on probation and that there would be adjudication at month 5 she could have made necessary arrangements, assuming she was receiving appropriate feedback. Instead she just started a job and now finds her without a means to support herself unexpectedly.

We at least owe people respect, and they Cloudfare certainly did not show that.

There are tons of careers that are lower risk than tech sales. If you choose to go into tech sales you have the opportunity to be highly compensated, and with that you also are taking the risk that you can be fired without notice. I agree about respect, while the HR people were stiff they were respectful while her attitude toward her employer was anything but respectful. If she wants a lower risk career she will likely need to accept lower compensation, but she seems to be the type of educated young person who is making a decision and isn’t just stuck in a minimum wage job with no other opportunities. Save your sympathy for those who don’t have any chance of getting into tech sales to begin with.

Please I have no love to tech sales bros and booth babes, but we live in a tale of two cities economy, you either reach for the big dollars or live always on the hairy edge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sales is such a BS job anyway.

I have been on this website for 10 years and this may be the single stupidest post I have ever seen. And I spent a lot of time in the COVID threads.

Tech sales is no different than say, car sales. Often just pushy people, few hard skills. Many are just hired for their looks, eg pharma reps. Filled with former frat boys.

Not saying it holds true for all, obviously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Coudflare employee recorded herself being laid off (remotely, apparently by a pair of consultants (not named Bob)) and it’s garnering a lot of views.

I can understand her frustration at having to endure the droning, corporate-speak of these two people she’s never met who are tasked with delivering the bad new, but at the end of the day, she’s a whining zoomer who didn’t make any sales.

Nah, I love this generation. They are calling out my generation and older on bullsheet practices that wreck peoples lives. Good for her and I hope she finds an employer that values her and her work ethic. Not everyone wants to be crotchety and old like you, OP, standing by the water cooler, eating your stale homemade sandwich with mayonnaise oozing out of the creases of your mouth, telling boring stories about what you did on the weekend and then watching the clock so you can take an unnecessary two hour commute home and then do it all over again the next day. It's a new day and I'm here for it!

Just the attitude and respect for your coworkers that every employer is searching for. What exactly will you be here for in this new day? Doesn’t look like much that any employer is looking for.

Okay grandpa.

Again, what exactly do you have to offer any employer if this is your attitude and behavior? No one owes you anything.

Your last sentence struck a memory:

https://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/fandd/2021/04/what-we-owe-each-other-book-minouche-shafik.htm

Your attitude is why we have so much social unrest. In vast majority of situations, there is a huge asymmetry between the employer and employee. Losing a job is an existential and very real crisis to the employee; losing a worker is normal course of business and barely registers for most corporations.

Employment should never be severed so quickly and without working. If BP knew she was on probation and that there would be adjudication at month 5 she could have made necessary arrangements, assuming she was receiving appropriate feedback. Instead she just started a job and now finds her without a means to support herself unexpectedly.

We at least owe people respect, and they Cloudfare certainly did not show that.

There are tons of careers that are lower risk than tech sales. If you choose to go into tech sales you have the opportunity to be highly compensated, and with that you also are taking the risk that you can be fired without notice. I agree about respect, while the HR people were stiff they were respectful while her attitude toward her employer was anything but respectful. If she wants a lower risk career she will likely need to accept lower compensation, but she seems to be the type of educated young person who is making a decision and isn’t just stuck in a minimum wage job with no other opportunities. Save your sympathy for those who don’t have any chance of getting into tech sales to begin with.

Please I have no love to tech sales bros and booth babes, but we live in a tale of two cities economy, you either reach for the big dollars or live always on the hairy edge.

Talk to the large group of people on this site who work in government. Extremely secure job with ok pay and benefits but unsexy work environment or opportunities for the big bucks. For college educated people like Brittney there are lots of choices, she doesn’t like the predictable consequence of her choice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sales is such a BS job anyway.

I have been on this website for 10 years and this may be the single stupidest post I have ever seen. And I spent a lot of time in the COVID threads.

Tech sales is no different than say, car sales. Often just pushy people, few hard skills. Many are just hired for their looks, eg pharma reps. Filled with former frat boys.

Not saying it holds true for all, obviously.

I'm not in sales anymore and never was in tech sales (medical device), but do you really think that it's easy to comprehend a very technical product and understand the inner workings of another organization to sell them on the solution? If you think that's easy, why not take the 500K+ job yourself?

[Anonymous]

If BP knew she was on probation and that there would be adjudication at month 5 she could have made necessary arrangements, assuming she was receiving appropriate feedback.

According to BP that's not true. She says her zero sales is due to timing around the holidays. She probably wasn't working very hard because she wanted to enjoy the holidays herself and thought "the holidays" would be a valid excuse for her poor sales record. She's not a good listener and would not have changed her behavior in the least IMO. Cloudflare was right to let her go. I'm glad the CEO acknowledged that her manager should have been part of the layoff conversation. They did misstep there, but overall the decision was the correct one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sales is such a BS job anyway.

I have been on this website for 10 years and this may be the single stupidest post I have ever seen. And I spent a lot of time in the COVID threads.

Tech sales is no different than say, car sales. Often just pushy people, few hard skills. Many are just hired for their looks, eg pharma reps. Filled with former frat boys.

Not saying it holds true for all, obviously.

I'm not in sales anymore and never was in tech sales (medical device), but do you really think that it's easy to comprehend a very technical product and understand the inner workings of another organization to sell them on the solution? If you think that's easy, why not take the 500K+ job yourself?

I have never met a sales person who understood anything technical, and simply spouted off boiler plate from marketing material. And understand the customer organization, be real. It’s all about identifying the words the client wants to hear, and being pleasant/fun/attractive enough that they take YOUR call over Widget 2 sales guy. The junkets, the dinners out, golf games, it’s all about soft kickbacks for the client.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Coudflare employee recorded herself being laid off (remotely, apparently by a pair of consultants (not named Bob)) and it’s garnering a lot of views.

I can understand her frustration at having to endure the droning, corporate-speak of these two people she’s never met who are tasked with delivering the bad new, but at the end of the day, she’s a whining zoomer who didn’t make any sales.

Nah, I love this generation. They are calling out my generation and older on bullsheet practices that wreck peoples lives. Good for her and I hope she finds an employer that values her and her work ethic. Not everyone wants to be crotchety and old like you, OP, standing by the water cooler, eating your stale homemade sandwich with mayonnaise oozing out of the creases of your mouth, telling boring stories about what you did on the weekend and then watching the clock so you can take an unnecessary two hour commute home and then do it all over again the next day. It's a new day and I'm here for it!

What part of zero sales don't you understand?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Coudflare employee recorded herself being laid off (remotely, apparently by a pair of consultants (not named Bob)) and it’s garnering a lot of views.

I can understand her frustration at having to endure the droning, corporate-speak of these two people she’s never met who are tasked with delivering the bad new, but at the end of the day, she’s a whining zoomer who didn’t make any sales.

Nah, I love this generation. They are calling out my generation and older on bullsheet practices that wreck peoples lives. Good for her and I hope she finds an employer that values her and her work ethic. Not everyone wants to be crotchety and old like you, OP, standing by the water cooler, eating your stale homemade sandwich with mayonnaise oozing out of the creases of your mouth, telling boring stories about what you did on the weekend and then watching the clock so you can take an unnecessary two hour commute home and then do it all over again the next day. It's a new day and I'm here for it!

What part of zero sales don't you understand?

It’s ridiculous. She’s a new employee with clearly a lot of moxie dealing with sales during the holiday. Her manager should have communicated expectations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A Coudflare employee recorded herself being laid off (remotely, apparently by a pair of consultants (not named Bob)) and it’s garnering a lot of views.

I can understand her frustration at having to endure the droning, corporate-speak of these two people she’s never met who are tasked with delivering the bad new, but at the end of the day, she’s a whining zoomer who didn’t make any sales.

Nah, I love this generation. They are calling out my generation and older on bullsheet practices that wreck peoples lives. Good for her and I hope she finds an employer that values her and her work ethic. Not everyone wants to be crotchety and old like you, OP, standing by the water cooler, eating your stale homemade sandwich with mayonnaise oozing out of the creases of your mouth, telling boring stories about what you did on the weekend and then watching the clock so you can take an unnecessary two hour commute home and then do it all over again the next day. It's a new day and I'm here for it!

What part of zero sales don't you understand?

It’s ridiculous. She’s a new employee with clearly a lot of moxie dealing with sales during the holiday. Her manager should have communicated expectations.

If she’s anything like the Gen Z people I manage you could tell her about the metrics that would be used to assess her performance a dozen times and she would never have heard it. Brittany cares about being the star of the Brittany show and her boss’ need to make sales quotas is not high on her list of concerns. I wish it was this easy to fire people who don’t perform at my office.

[Anonymous]

Pro tip: everyone should remember you are an at-will employee who can be let go at any time for practically any reason.

Freaking out on strangers from HR won’t change the outcome.

Re: taping it - many jurisdictions have laws against taping people without consent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pro tip: everyone should remember you are an at-will employee who can be let go at any time for practically any reason.

Freaking out on strangers from HR won’t change the outcome.

Re: taping it - many jurisdictions have laws against taping people without consent.

A federal wiretapping charge, that will help make her marketable.