Brittany Peach gets fired

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:So a couple of things.

One, I'm not sure why this needs to be generational warfare episode 6,323,534,231. This could be time for nuanced discussion about what companies owe us during firing/lay-offs but instead it's turned into "Hurdur zoomers suck Gen X great" when based on her LinkedIn, I don't even believe her to be a Zoomer. She looks like she's the last year of millennials.

Two, I totally get where she's coming from. Having been fired for "poor performance" six months in, after not a word of anything but "you're doing great," the entire time, yeah, I was pissed. Even when I filed for UI and the company said it was poor performance, I made a point to say "I was surprised they indicated poor performance, as this was not mentioned during my six month review a few weeks prior to being fired." I didn't fight back when being fired though because I could tell it was not a good fit and was already looking/interviewing elsewhere though. (And no, I did not think it was a bad fit because I was not able to meet expectations, I thought it was a bad fit because they were disorganized and told me they could no longer afford to reimburse me for meals on work-related trips.)

Three, I wouldn't have recorded this because at the end of the day, the decision was made and the paperwork was already signed but whoever said above that they hope she gets busted for federal wiretapping charges...you're dumber than the two HR drones handling this call. Calm down, Gladys.


If you don’t want this to be another generational warfare episode then why are you insulting people and using tired tropes about the linguistic preferences of older generations? If you’d like a thoughtful civil discourse you can start by behaving that way yourself.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So a couple of things.

One, I'm not sure why this needs to be generational warfare episode 6,323,534,231. This could be time for nuanced discussion about what companies owe us during firing/lay-offs but instead it's turned into "Hurdur zoomers suck Gen X great" when based on her LinkedIn, I don't even believe her to be a Zoomer. She looks like she's the last year of millennials.

Two, I totally get where she's coming from. Having been fired for "poor performance" six months in, after not a word of anything but "you're doing great," the entire time, yeah, I was pissed. Even when I filed for UI and the company said it was poor performance, I made a point to say "I was surprised they indicated poor performance, as this was not mentioned during my six month review a few weeks prior to being fired." I didn't fight back when being fired though because I could tell it was not a good fit and was already looking/interviewing elsewhere though. (And no, I did not think it was a bad fit because I was not able to meet expectations, I thought it was a bad fit because they were disorganized and told me they could no longer afford to reimburse me for meals on work-related trips.)

Three, I wouldn't have recorded this because at the end of the day, the decision was made and the paperwork was already signed but whoever said above that they hope she gets busted for federal wiretapping charges...you're dumber than the two HR drones handling this call. Calm down, Gladys.


If you don’t want this to be another generational warfare episode then why are you insulting people and using tired tropes about the linguistic preferences of older generations? If you’d like a thoughtful civil discourse you can start by behaving that way yourself.

I wasn't insulting anyone based on their generation, I was insulting people based on their stupidity which is found in any generation.
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Anonymous wrote:Here's the CEO's response:

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501


Perfect response, very well stated. Kudos to their PR team!


Yes and I will add Kudos to the HR duo who were on the call as well.
As Cloudfare CEO acknowledged, the process maybe wasn’t the best way to do this, but I thought the two people assigned to handle the call and give her the news remained professional and expressed an appropriate amount of empathy without losing their cool. They didn’t have answers, and acknowledged her feelings about what was happening. I’d give them an A+ for executing the crappy task they were given without escalating.


+1. I watched this waiting to see the company eff up royally and… they just didn’t. Brittney comes off looking silly. Also she shouldn’t have said “bullsh*t” - it made her look juvenile. The HR people were top notch here. I’d hire them, not her, for sure.


Those people did fine given what they had to work with but Brittany was right that it’s very bad practice to give her no adverse feedback and not have her manager on the call and not be able to articulate anything about her performance. It’s within the company’s rights but it’s also crappy.


If it's at will, don't give any feedback on performance because that could open the company to liability. Just, "I'm sorry but I have some bad news, we have to let you go. byeeeeee!"


Yes and no.

Sounds like they have a clear metric and documentation to justify cutting her loose. By her own admission, she hadn’t closed any deals/made any sales.


Yes of course you save the metrics and documentation to CYA. You don't mention it on an at-will separation call.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So a couple of things.

One, I'm not sure why this needs to be generational warfare episode 6,323,534,231. This could be time for nuanced discussion about what companies owe us during firing/lay-offs but instead it's turned into "Hurdur zoomers suck Gen X great" when based on her LinkedIn, I don't even believe her to be a Zoomer. She looks like she's the last year of millennials.

Two, I totally get where she's coming from. Having been fired for "poor performance" six months in, after not a word of anything but "you're doing great," the entire time, yeah, I was pissed. Even when I filed for UI and the company said it was poor performance, I made a point to say "I was surprised they indicated poor performance, as this was not mentioned during my six month review a few weeks prior to being fired." I didn't fight back when being fired though because I could tell it was not a good fit and was already looking/interviewing elsewhere though. (And no, I did not think it was a bad fit because I was not able to meet expectations, I thought it was a bad fit because they were disorganized and told me they could no longer afford to reimburse me for meals on work-related trips.)

Three, I wouldn't have recorded this because at the end of the day, the decision was made and the paperwork was already signed but whoever said above that they hope she gets busted for federal wiretapping charges...you're dumber than the two HR drones handling this call. Calm down, Gladys.


Whatever generation, this sneaky recording and public posting is just shady. There is nothing illegal or immoral here, so I could give a pass on recording in case she caught a “me too” type violation, but these were two people doing their job, they didn’t make these decisions I’m sure. So the posting was in bad form.


eh, she didn't display their names or faces. No one has any idea who they are except as representatives of Cloud Flare so I don't see the problem
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So a couple of things.

One, I'm not sure why this needs to be generational warfare episode 6,323,534,231. This could be time for nuanced discussion about what companies owe us during firing/lay-offs but instead it's turned into "Hurdur zoomers suck Gen X great" when based on her LinkedIn, I don't even believe her to be a Zoomer. She looks like she's the last year of millennials.

Two, I totally get where she's coming from. Having been fired for "poor performance" six months in, after not a word of anything but "you're doing great," the entire time, yeah, I was pissed. Even when I filed for UI and the company said it was poor performance, I made a point to say "I was surprised they indicated poor performance, as this was not mentioned during my six month review a few weeks prior to being fired." I didn't fight back when being fired though because I could tell it was not a good fit and was already looking/interviewing elsewhere though. (And no, I did not think it was a bad fit because I was not able to meet expectations, I thought it was a bad fit because they were disorganized and told me they could no longer afford to reimburse me for meals on work-related trips.)

Three, I wouldn't have recorded this because at the end of the day, the decision was made and the paperwork was already signed but whoever said above that they hope she gets busted for federal wiretapping charges...you're dumber than the two HR drones handling this call. Calm down, Gladys.


Whatever generation, this sneaky recording and public posting is just shady. There is nothing illegal or immoral here, so I could give a pass on recording in case she caught a “me too” type violation, but these were two people doing their job, they didn’t make these decisions I’m sure. So the posting was in bad form.


eh, she didn't display their names or faces. No one has any idea who they are except as representatives of Cloud Flare so I don't see the problem

Honestly, I'm convinced the people saying "@MerrickGarland, @FBI please indict this woman for federal wire tapping!!!!" are HR people embarrassed by how dumb these two appeared on the call. Like, we literally only know their first names and that they work for Cloud Flare, this is so not a big deal other than the fact that people think they are dumb. Which they are.

I got let go once for similar reasons to Brittany here and while the company was an effing mess, even they did a better job letting me go. My manager was there and the HR rep, who I knew to be an idiot in other instances, was professional. I will say I was already looking for an out so I didn't care enough to push back like Brittany did. Who knows, maybe if I had pushed back the HR rep would've been incompetent.

I think there are three sides to every story - Side 1, Side 2, and the truth. We will likely never know who was closer to the truth, but we can have opinions about both sides. I think Brittany was dumb to think she would be spared by pushing back aggressively and I also think Cloud Flare effed up by not having her manager there AND sending apparently their two dumbest HR reps to do the dirty work.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's the CEO's response:

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501


Perfect response, very well stated. Kudos to their PR team!


Yes and I will add Kudos to the HR duo who were on the call as well.
As Cloudfare CEO acknowledged, the process maybe wasn’t the best way to do this, but I thought the two people assigned to handle the call and give her the news remained professional and expressed an appropriate amount of empathy without losing their cool. They didn’t have answers, and acknowledged her feelings about what was happening. I’d give them an A+ for executing the crappy task they were given without escalating.


+1. I watched this waiting to see the company eff up royally and… they just didn’t. Brittney comes off looking silly. Also she shouldn’t have said “bullsh*t” - it made her look juvenile. The HR people were top notch here. I’d hire them, not her, for sure.


Those people did fine given what they had to work with but Brittany was right that it’s very bad practice to give her no adverse feedback and not have her manager on the call and not be able to articulate anything about her performance. It’s within the company’s rights but it’s also crappy.


If it's at will, don't give any feedback on performance because that could open the company to liability. Just, "I'm sorry but I have some bad news, we have to let you go. byeeeeee!"


Yes and no.

Sounds like they have a clear metric and documentation to justify cutting her loose. By her own admission, she hadn’t closed any deals/made any sales.


Yes of course you save the metrics and documentation to CYA. You don't mention it on an at-will separation call.


You do when you want to make clear you have a reason. It prevents many people from bringing a lawsuit.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's the CEO's response:

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501


Perfect response, very well stated. Kudos to their PR team!


Yes and I will add Kudos to the HR duo who were on the call as well.
As Cloudfare CEO acknowledged, the process maybe wasn’t the best way to do this, but I thought the two people assigned to handle the call and give her the news remained professional and expressed an appropriate amount of empathy without losing their cool. They didn’t have answers, and acknowledged her feelings about what was happening. I’d give them an A+ for executing the crappy task they were given without escalating.


+1. I watched this waiting to see the company eff up royally and… they just didn’t. Brittney comes off looking silly. Also she shouldn’t have said “bullsh*t” - it made her look juvenile. The HR people were top notch here. I’d hire them, not her, for sure.


Those people did fine given what they had to work with but Brittany was right that it’s very bad practice to give her no adverse feedback and not have her manager on the call and not be able to articulate anything about her performance. It’s within the company’s rights but it’s also crappy.


If it's at will, don't give any feedback on performance because that could open the company to liability. Just, "I'm sorry but I have some bad news, we have to let you go. byeeeeee!"


Yes and no.

Sounds like they have a clear metric and documentation to justify cutting her loose. By her own admission, she hadn’t closed any deals/made any sales.


Yes of course you save the metrics and documentation to CYA. You don't mention it on an at-will separation call.


You do when you want to make clear you have a reason. It prevents many people from bringing a lawsuit.


If she's an at will employee, as it appears she is, they can just say that they no longer need her services and they don't need to give a reason. It's better to not give someone something to argue about, just make a clean break. What exactly does she sue over?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's the CEO's response:

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501


Perfect response, very well stated. Kudos to their PR team!


Yes and I will add Kudos to the HR duo who were on the call as well.
As Cloudfare CEO acknowledged, the process maybe wasn’t the best way to do this, but I thought the two people assigned to handle the call and give her the news remained professional and expressed an appropriate amount of empathy without losing their cool. They didn’t have answers, and acknowledged her feelings about what was happening. I’d give them an A+ for executing the crappy task they were given without escalating.


I'm no brittany fan but I'm pretty sure those HR clowns got fired


Why?
For what?

I mean I get that cloudfare doesn’t have to give them a reason (haha! The irony!)—but I don’t get why you would assume they would be fired. Unlike Brittany, they actually succeeded in executing the task for which they were hired.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's the CEO's response:

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501


Perfect response, very well stated. Kudos to their PR team!


Yes and I will add Kudos to the HR duo who were on the call as well.
As Cloudfare CEO acknowledged, the process maybe wasn’t the best way to do this, but I thought the two people assigned to handle the call and give her the news remained professional and expressed an appropriate amount of empathy without losing their cool. They didn’t have answers, and acknowledged her feelings about what was happening. I’d give them an A+ for executing the crappy task they were given without escalating.


I'm no brittany fan but I'm pretty sure those HR clowns got fired


Why?
For what?

I mean I get that cloudfare doesn’t have to give them a reason (haha! The irony!)—but I don’t get why you would assume they would be fired. Unlike Brittany, they actually succeeded in executing the task for which they were hired.

I am still curious why two HR people did the firing. Mine was one HR person and my manager. Why two HR people?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's the CEO's response:

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501


Perfect response, very well stated. Kudos to their PR team!


Yes and I will add Kudos to the HR duo who were on the call as well.
As Cloudfare CEO acknowledged, the process maybe wasn’t the best way to do this, but I thought the two people assigned to handle the call and give her the news remained professional and expressed an appropriate amount of empathy without losing their cool. They didn’t have answers, and acknowledged her feelings about what was happening. I’d give them an A+ for executing the crappy task they were given without escalating.


I'm no brittany fan but I'm pretty sure those HR clowns got fired


Why?
For what?

I mean I get that cloudfare doesn’t have to give them a reason (haha! The irony!)—but I don’t get why you would assume they would be fired. Unlike Brittany, they actually succeeded in executing the task for which they were hired.

I am still curious why two HR people did the firing. Mine was one HR person and my manager. Why two HR people?


A pretty clear indication this was a RIF, not a performance-based termination.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's the CEO's response:

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501


Perfect response, very well stated. Kudos to their PR team!


Yes and I will add Kudos to the HR duo who were on the call as well.
As Cloudfare CEO acknowledged, the process maybe wasn’t the best way to do this, but I thought the two people assigned to handle the call and give her the news remained professional and expressed an appropriate amount of empathy without losing their cool. They didn’t have answers, and acknowledged her feelings about what was happening. I’d give them an A+ for executing the crappy task they were given without escalating.


I'm no brittany fan but I'm pretty sure those HR clowns got fired


Why?
For what?

I mean I get that cloudfare doesn’t have to give them a reason (haha! The irony!)—but I don’t get why you would assume they would be fired. Unlike Brittany, they actually succeeded in executing the task for which they were hired.


So Cloudflare can throw someone under the bus
Anonymous
I wonder how long her severance is going to last her.
Anonymous
If Brittany had any self confidence in her so-called Sales skills and abilities and network, she would not be this unraveled about her firing.

If her skills were that good, or even half as good, then she’d already have something else lined up or at least not panic, and simply put the word out to her network that she’s available. The last thing she’d do is put herself on blast on public media.

Instead this comes across as a Hail Mary move from a low performer with no better options. She needs to re-skill herself into a career that’s a better fit and that her thin-skinned personality is better able to handle.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here's the CEO's response:

https://twitter.com/eastdakota/status/1745697840180191501


Perfect response, very well stated. Kudos to their PR team!


Yes and I will add Kudos to the HR duo who were on the call as well.
As Cloudfare CEO acknowledged, the process maybe wasn’t the best way to do this, but I thought the two people assigned to handle the call and give her the news remained professional and expressed an appropriate amount of empathy without losing their cool. They didn’t have answers, and acknowledged her feelings about what was happening. I’d give them an A+ for executing the crappy task they were given without escalating.


I'm no brittany fan but I'm pretty sure those HR clowns got fired


Why?
For what?

I mean I get that cloudfare doesn’t have to give them a reason (haha! The irony!)—but I don’t get why you would assume they would be fired. Unlike Brittany, they actually succeeded in executing the task for which they were hired.

I am still curious why two HR people did the firing. Mine was one HR person and my manager. Why two HR people?


A pretty clear indication this was a RIF, not a performance-based termination.

That is what I think. People here are so sure it's performance based without ever having worked in sales.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If Brittany had any self confidence in her so-called Sales skills and abilities and network, she would not be this unraveled about her firing.

If her skills were that good, or even half as good, then she’d already have something else lined up or at least not panic, and simply put the word out to her network that she’s available. The last thing she’d do is put herself on blast on public media.

Instead this comes across as a Hail Mary move from a low performer with no better options. She needs to re-skill herself into a career that’s a better fit and that her thin-skinned personality is better able to handle.

Not really? It comes across as someone who is pissed off and fed up with the workforce taking advantage of people. They effed up. They hired too many people in Q3.

Would I have fought back? Nah. Not my style. But I understand the urge to tell people that they messed up and it's shitty to try and pass the buck onto other people.
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