Big story in WSJ on violent crime in DC

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Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand how it is lost on people that crime will increase when crime at the very top of our society is not only not enforced but glorified and accepted and that anyone who follows the rules is somehow a cu%k.

The law is not being enforced on those at the top. There are no social norms any more. There is no culpability. There is glorification of getting over everyone else, avoiding taxes, skirting within the grey areas, trading state secrets, etc. Corporations are allowed to do what the he%k they want because they have power and money. The rhetoric surrounding the poor and minorities and immigrants is abysmal. Education is completely underfunded at the local level- not underfunded for admin/chromebook providers/ed tech companies (see corporations). 95% of local policing is a solution to problems that weren't handled by effective social policies. But I am sure that locking up even more kids and young adults will somehow have a better outcome and that those private prison corporations will make someone rich so they can do more "philanthropy" which as pointed out at the recent world economic forum, is just tax avoidance with a pretty bow on it.

We get it. Chill out. You vote for Bernie Sanders. That’s great. We know you don’t like “wealthy tax cheats” and all that hippie sht. We get they use tax havens and we get lobbying and how it helps the wealthy. That’s cool. It sucks. But at the same time those dudes are not the ones pushing all these violent criminals to actually go out and mug people. They are physically forcing them to do it. We need accountability.

Your little distraction story, and a broader implication of the ills of wealth inequality and blah blah is important. But to the topic at hand. We need to arrest violent criminals. That’s it. Stop your long winded diatribe about addressing the root cause of poverty first. No. Tell me the best way to immediately stop violent crime. You know it. I know it.

Now let’s

Nope actually think Bernie Sanders is a problem thanks.
You mean violent crime like rape, sexual assault, pedophiles, etc?
I am saying dont be surprised when people become opportunists when they see those in power being opportunists.
And you all are only up in arms about crime rates when it spills outside of the wards. Just like with crack vs fentanyl/opiates/weed. Drugs are only a problem when poor brown people use them. Otherwise, its just a good time. White kids can go 100 mph on the beltway and its just a bad decision/too much car for a kid. Black kids driving ATVs- throw them in jail, that will teach them!

And yes social problems do alter arrests and prosecution:

"But in the district, most crimes committed by adults are prosecuted by an appointed U.S. attorney, not an elected district attorney. U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves has taken flak for declining during fiscal year 2022 to charge, at the time of arrest, 67% of offenses that would have been tried in D.C. Superior Court, the usual venue for non-federal crimes.
Graves, in office since 2021, said the rate is driven by several factors beyond his control, one being the D.C. crime lab’s lack of accreditation."

And I would be even more interested to see the data on those that are arrested, how many are actually from DC versus surrounding areas/instigators. Organized crime is going to continue to increase.

Enough with sensationalist Che Guevara stuff. You don’t need to write a novel full of flowery prose and righteous indignation where the protagonist “sticks it to the man”. Let’s focus on brass tacks. We need to arrest and lock up the violent criminals and thieves who are causing the safety and quality of life to decline, correct?

They are getting arrested and not being able to be prosecuted because the crime lab isn't accredited. It has to be more than arrests ahole. That is the opposite of sensationalist, it's pragmatic.

Brass tacks my A$$ you just want an immediate fix...because jailing large portions of any population has always resulted in improvements.

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Anonymous wrote:Children are no longer taught morals and values in the home and that it is wrong to steal, wrong to steal cars and wrong to kill.

This type of behavior is celebrated in some cultures.

Are you talking about billionaires? Maybe we aren't so far apart. Those bastards all lie, cheat, and steal.

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DC on track to be Baltimore in 5 years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Children are no longer taught morals and values in the home and that it is wrong to steal, wrong to steal cars and wrong to kill.

This type of behavior is celebrated in some cultures.

Are you talking about billionaires? Maybe we aren't so far apart. Those bastards all lie, cheat, and steal.

Exactly what the Che guy was talking about, this right here.

[Anonymous]

I want bike lands and a safe city. I think most dc voters share this vision.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, all the Murdoch outlets are pushing this story.

It isn’t just the Murdoch companies. It’s the entire right-wing media conspiracy Hillary spoke accurately about back in the 1990s.

It’s actually amazing how predictable it is. What wedge issues are they going to blow out of proportion and then cry bias that the professional news media isn’t following suit?

It’s a little like the Daily Wire’s bizarre fascination with culture war stories about Northern Virginia. The right wing media complex is hell-bent on disinformation

Neither DC crime, nor the border, nor inflation are real issues.

100%. It's all overblown and being misrepresented.

Crime is bad. I get it. Other people here get it to. But our rate of violent crime is better than those other cities. It's like people in Ward 3 flipping out over a single digit increase in a type of crime, when from a level perspective they are way, way, way below the rest of the city.

These articles all lack perspective.

If by "better" you mean we have far more of it, sure. It's the DC delusion again. In NY or Chicago they actually hold people accountable. And when things get bad, people get voted out of office. Here we're like, "How dare anyone say something bad about our great city?!?"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still don't understand how it is lost on people that crime will increase when crime at the very top of our society is not only not enforced but glorified and accepted and that anyone who follows the rules is somehow a cu%k.

The law is not being enforced on those at the top. There are no social norms any more. There is no culpability. There is glorification of getting over everyone else, avoiding taxes, skirting within the grey areas, trading state secrets, etc. Corporations are allowed to do what the he%k they want because they have power and money. The rhetoric surrounding the poor and minorities and immigrants is abysmal. Education is completely underfunded at the local level- not underfunded for admin/chromebook providers/ed tech companies (see corporations). 95% of local policing is a solution to problems that weren't handled by effective social policies. But I am sure that locking up even more kids and young adults will somehow have a better outcome and that those private prison corporations will make someone rich so they can do more "philanthropy" which as pointed out at the recent world economic forum, is just tax avoidance with a pretty bow on it.

We get it. Chill out. You vote for Bernie Sanders. That’s great. We know you don’t like “wealthy tax cheats” and all that hippie sht. We get they use tax havens and we get lobbying and how it helps the wealthy. That’s cool. It sucks. But at the same time those dudes are not the ones pushing all these violent criminals to actually go out and mug people. They are physically forcing them to do it. We need accountability.

Your little distraction story, and a broader implication of the ills of wealth inequality and blah blah is important. But to the topic at hand. We need to arrest violent criminals. That’s it. Stop your long winded diatribe about addressing the root cause of poverty first. No. Tell me the best way to immediately stop violent crime. You know it. I know it.

Now let’s

Nope actually think Bernie Sanders is a problem thanks.
You mean violent crime like rape, sexual assault, pedophiles, etc?
I am saying dont be surprised when people become opportunists when they see those in power being opportunists.
And you all are only up in arms about crime rates when it spills outside of the wards. Just like with crack vs fentanyl/opiates/weed. Drugs are only a problem when poor brown people use them. Otherwise, its just a good time. White kids can go 100 mph on the beltway and its just a bad decision/too much car for a kid. Black kids driving ATVs- throw them in jail, that will teach them!

And yes social problems do alter arrests and prosecution:

"But in the district, most crimes committed by adults are prosecuted by an appointed U.S. attorney, not an elected district attorney. U.S. Attorney Matthew Graves has taken flak for declining during fiscal year 2022 to charge, at the time of arrest, 67% of offenses that would have been tried in D.C. Superior Court, the usual venue for non-federal crimes.
Graves, in office since 2021, said the rate is driven by several factors beyond his control, one being the D.C. crime lab’s lack of accreditation."

And I would be even more interested to see the data on those that are arrested, how many are actually from DC versus surrounding areas/instigators. Organized crime is going to continue to increase.

Enough with sensationalist Che Guevara stuff. You don’t need to write a novel full of flowery prose and righteous indignation where the protagonist “sticks it to the man”. Let’s focus on brass tacks. We need to arrest and lock up the violent criminals and thieves who are causing the safety and quality of life to decline, correct?

They are getting arrested and not being able to be prosecuted because the crime lab isn't accredited. It has to be more than arrests ahole. That is the opposite of sensationalist, it's pragmatic.

Brass tacks my A$$ you just want an immediate fix...because jailing large portions of any population has always resulted in improvements.

Look, friend, it’s clear you were writing endless reams of words about how Elon Musk or Enron or whatever are the bigger concerns and we’re all here to tell, for normal city living people, this thread is focused on the actual stuff that is pressing. That’s the 38% uptick in violent crime in a year.

So yes, I would like an immediate fix. You showed your true intentions and how you are okay with this weak on crime progressive criminal justice reform nonsense in your response. Yes, we can lock people up. I know you think we should sing kunbaya and everyone gets a restorative justice hug and then the violence interruptors step in and like it’s super mellow and whatever. In reality, what works is the thread of swift immediate and strict punishment. No one wants your pitiful excuse for criminal justice.

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Anonymous wrote:They are getting arrested and not being able to be prosecuted because the crime lab isn't accredited.

Sorry, no. This is one of the many, many excuses that the prosecutors made, but if you see what they actually do they're just _extremely_ soft on crime.

Do you remember this story? A guy just randomly tried to murder a pub owner in front of his 4 your old son, pulling a gun out and saying "Sit down, white boy. I’m going to end you." The owner had to knock the gun out of the guys hand and throw him out of the restaurant:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/armed-man-who-attacked-dc-pub-owner-in-front-of-4-year-old-boy-offered-plea-deal-to-victims-dismay/3382018/

The whole thing was caught on camera. The owner said he wanted it to go to trial and wanted to testify. But no, the prosecutors offered the attempted-murderer a plea deal:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/pub-owner-disturbed-by-absurd-decisions-in-case-of-man-who-pulled-gun-and-punched-him/3385225/

So how many years did he get for trying to murder someone? Oh, hah, did I say years. Wait, this is D.C. The prosecutor only asked for 18 months. The judge decided to give him only 8 months:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/doordash-driver-gets-8-months-for-assault-on-dc-restaurant-owner-who-was-attacked-in-front-of-young-son/3419443/

People can try to make all the excuses they want. Even with a slam dunk case, with video evidence and a witness that's begging to testify, the prosecutors and judges do what they can to make sure would be murderers are back on the streets in just a few months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC on track to be Baltimore in 5 years.

Hardly. Have you been to Baltimore?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yeah, all the Murdoch outlets are pushing this story.

It isn’t just the Murdoch companies. It’s the entire right-wing media conspiracy Hillary spoke accurately about back in the 1990s.

It’s actually amazing how predictable it is. What wedge issues are they going to blow out of proportion and then cry bias that the professional news media isn’t following suit?

It’s a little like the Daily Wire’s bizarre fascination with culture war stories about Northern Virginia. The right wing media complex is hell-bent on disinformation

Neither DC crime, nor the border, nor inflation are real issues.

100%. It's all overblown and being misrepresented.

Crime is bad. I get it. Other people here get it to. But our rate of violent crime is better than those other cities. It's like people in Ward 3 flipping out over a single digit increase in a type of crime, when from a level perspective they are way, way, way below the rest of the city.

These articles all lack perspective.

We have more murders than Baltimore. And murders are way down in almost every other big city except DC where they’re up almost 40 percent.

Parts of DC have an absurdly high rate of murder. But other parts are just well below the national norms. Ward 3 residents complaining about car thefts (which are up freaking everywhere and tons of them are because Kia and Hyundai took serious short cuts) is uncool. Ward 7 and 8 can and should be in an uproar and that should also be where the city resources are pouring into. Parts of Ward 5 as well. Wards 4, 3, 2, 1 and 6 are all basically flat YoYoY for the last decade...



Above doesn't have 2023 in it, but if we look at that.. what do we see? Wards 7 & 8 are much worse than they were before, 6 and 1 are up slightly, 2 and 4 are down slightly, and ward 3 has had none this year (although normally doesn't have many).

I don't get this? Are we just supposed to further have a city of haves and have nots? Not caring about what's happening in other parts of the city, the country, the world just because where YOU live doesn't have problems...that just seems icky

this is the same argument they made about closed schools in DC. “You don’t need schools you rich b*txh. And you didn’t care about black kids before, so don’t act like you do now.”

it’s extremely nihilistic and has nothing to do with what people in W7 and 8 actually want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are getting arrested and not being able to be prosecuted because the crime lab isn't accredited.

Sorry, no. This is one of the many, many excuses that the prosecutors made, but if you see what they actually do they're just _extremely_ soft on crime.

Do you remember this story? A guy just randomly tried to murder a pub owner in front of his 4 your old son, pulling a gun out and saying "Sit down, white boy. I’m going to end you." The owner had to knock the gun out of the guys hand and throw him out of the restaurant:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/armed-man-who-attacked-dc-pub-owner-in-front-of-4-year-old-boy-offered-plea-deal-to-victims-dismay/3382018/

The whole thing was caught on camera. The owner said he wanted it to go to trial and wanted to testify. But no, the prosecutors offered the attempted-murderer a plea deal:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/pub-owner-disturbed-by-absurd-decisions-in-case-of-man-who-pulled-gun-and-punched-him/3385225/

So how many years did he get for trying to murder someone? Oh, hah, did I say years. Wait, this is D.C. The prosecutor only asked for 18 months. The judge decided to give him only 8 months:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/doordash-driver-gets-8-months-for-assault-on-dc-restaurant-owner-who-was-attacked-in-front-of-young-son/3419443/

People can try to make all the excuses they want. Even with a slam dunk case, with video evidence and a witness that's begging to testify, the prosecutors and judges do what they can to make sure would be murderers are back on the streets in just a few months.

You are off the rails dude. Seriously. It was assault and unregistered weapon and he has no priors. Not that it was egregious but this is not the case I would pull as an example of soft on crime.

He gets 8 months in jail. And will likely never be able to work anywhere else. Which btw will increase his odds of reoffending.

I am not saying don't jail people- I actually want more emphasis on all crimes being followed through, like rape- ever seen how many rape kits are backlogged? but I think you are misguided in what thinking that the results will somehow be transformative for the population.

Its either such a large percentage of the population is commiting crimes that removing all of them would be completely disruptive and cost heavy OR there are repeat offenders and organized crime at work. Literally any time crime, especially violent crime, increases there is organized crime behind it. Any city. Any time period but keep thinking that cutting off the soldiers/minions will be a drop in the bucket.
Organized crime works because it gets young kids who are impoverished and without much chance for social/economic mobility opportunity for funds and community. Until we address the lack of those two for adolescents, teens, and young adults it's just the taxpayer paying for people in jail who not only donT economicallh contribute but are also a drain on resources provided by those who contribute.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They are getting arrested and not being able to be prosecuted because the crime lab isn't accredited.

Sorry, no. This is one of the many, many excuses that the prosecutors made, but if you see what they actually do they're just _extremely_ soft on crime.

Do you remember this story? A guy just randomly tried to murder a pub owner in front of his 4 your old son, pulling a gun out and saying "Sit down, white boy. I’m going to end you." The owner had to knock the gun out of the guys hand and throw him out of the restaurant:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/armed-man-who-attacked-dc-pub-owner-in-front-of-4-year-old-boy-offered-plea-deal-to-victims-dismay/3382018/

The whole thing was caught on camera. The owner said he wanted it to go to trial and wanted to testify. But no, the prosecutors offered the attempted-murderer a plea deal:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/pub-owner-disturbed-by-absurd-decisions-in-case-of-man-who-pulled-gun-and-punched-him/3385225/

So how many years did he get for trying to murder someone? Oh, hah, did I say years. Wait, this is D.C. The prosecutor only asked for 18 months. The judge decided to give him only 8 months:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/doordash-driver-gets-8-months-for-assault-on-dc-restaurant-owner-who-was-attacked-in-front-of-young-son/3419443/

People can try to make all the excuses they want. Even with a slam dunk case, with video evidence and a witness that's begging to testify, the prosecutors and judges do what they can to make sure would be murderers are back on the streets in just a few months.

You are off the rails dude. Seriously. It was assault and unregistered weapon and he has no priors. Not that it was egregious but this is not the case I would pull as an example of soft on crime.

He gets 8 months in jail. And will likely never be able to work anywhere else. Which btw will increase his odds of reoffending.

I am not saying don't jail people- I actually want more emphasis on all crimes being followed through, like rape- ever seen how many rape kits are backlogged? but I think you are misguided in what thinking that the results will somehow be transformative for the population.

Its either such a large percentage of the population is commiting crimes that removing all of them would be completely disruptive and cost heavy OR there are repeat offenders and organized crime at work. Literally any time crime, especially violent crime, increases there is organized crime behind it. Any city. Any time period but keep thinking that cutting off the soldiers/minions will be a drop in the bucket.
Organized crime works because it gets young kids who are impoverished and without much chance for social/economic mobility opportunity for funds and community. Until we address the lack of those two for adolescents, teens, and young adults it's just the taxpayer paying for people in jail who not only donT economicallh contribute but are also a drain on resources provided by those who contribute.

it was in front of a FOUR YEAR OLD you absolute cretin. 8 months and this maniac is back on the streets? Come on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You are off the rails dude. Seriously. It was assault and unregistered weapon and he has no priors. Not that it was egregious but this is not the case I would pull as an example of soft on crime.

Perfect example for why crime is so bad in this city now. Guy walks into a bar, completely unprovoked pulls a gun on the owner while he's sitting with his 4 year old son, says he's going to end him, starts attacking him, gets the gun knocked out of his hand and tries to grab it again, leaves.

And thinking he should have gotten more than 8 months means you're "off the rails" to some people here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are off the rails dude. Seriously. It was assault and unregistered weapon and he has no priors. Not that it was egregious but this is not the case I would pull as an example of soft on crime.

Perfect example for why crime is so bad in this city now. Guy walks into a bar, completely unprovoked pulls a gun on the owner while he's sitting with his 4 year old son, says he's going to end him, starts attacking him, gets the gun knocked out of his hand and tries to grab it again, leaves.

And thinking he should have gotten more than 8 months means you're "off the rails" to some people here.

+1 It's hard for me to believe that anyone thinks ok for that guy to be walking freely among us.

[Anonymous]

We can cut through this all pretty easily:

Dumb white liberals overpaid for housing in “gentrified” areas relying on virtually free credit/near 0% interest rates from the government.

They all now feel stupid, and don’t want to raise their children in parks that serve as homeless encampments littered with heroin needles.

The District doesn’t believe in policing or prosecuting crime. It’s plain as day. Your mayor and prosecutor admit it. They campaign on it.

I’m not remotely a MAGA but you all need to get real about what “democrat” leadership has done to the city.