Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs

[Anonymous]

So many epic and profoundly un-self-aware temper tantrums from the “it’s all willpower and your emotional problems” crowd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many epic and profoundly un-self-aware temper tantrums from the “it’s all willpower and your emotional problems” crowd.

You realize this is infinitely recursive in that one could say you are going out of your want to have a tantrum about somebody having a tantrum.

Perhaps if you used that energy focusing on your own health, you might get some use out of that time.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many epic and profoundly un-self-aware temper tantrums from the “it’s all willpower and your emotional problems” crowd.

You realize this is infinitely recursive in that one could say you are going out of your want to have a tantrum about somebody having a tantrum.

Perhaps if you used that energy focusing on your own health, you might get some use out of that time.

My health is almost certainly better than yours, so I am good. I know you cannot comprehend a person with a health BMI not fat-shaming for sport like you, but not all people with BMIs in the normal range have your emotional problems.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many epic and profoundly un-self-aware temper tantrums from the “it’s all willpower and your emotional problems” crowd.

You realize this is infinitely recursive in that one could say you are going out of your want to have a tantrum about somebody having a tantrum.

Perhaps if you used that energy focusing on your own health, you might get some use out of that time.

My health is almost certainly better than yours, so I am good. I know you cannot comprehend a person with a health BMI not fat-shaming for sport like you, but not all people with BMIs in the normal range have your emotional problems.

Oh, it’s the “very likely more athletic poster.” I’ll bet you are impressed with yourself for “running” 20-30 miles a week. I’m sure all your friends enjoy hearing about that all the time.

As it turns out, I can say confidently based on actual statistics your are 99% likely to be wrong about our relative health.

What you also don’t realize is that very few here are having tantrums. What is happening is any response to the narrative that obesity is entirely uncontrollable without some extreme external interventions is shouted down. That is not only hilarious, it’s sad and not very empowering to anybody willing to make changes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many epic and profoundly un-self-aware temper tantrums from the “it’s all willpower and your emotional problems” crowd.

You realize this is infinitely recursive in that one could say you are going out of your want to have a tantrum about somebody having a tantrum.

Perhaps if you used that energy focusing on your own health, you might get some use out of that time.

My health is almost certainly better than yours, so I am good. I know you cannot comprehend a person with a health BMI not fat-shaming for sport like you, but not all people with BMIs in the normal range have your emotional problems.

Oh, it’s the “very likely more athletic poster.” I’ll bet you are impressed with yourself for “running” 20-30 miles a week. I’m sure all your friends enjoy hearing about that all the time.

As it turns out, I can say confidently based on actual statistics your are 99% likely to be wrong about our relative health.

What you also don’t realize is that very few here are having tantrums. What is happening is any response to the narrative that obesity is entirely uncontrollable without some extreme external interventions is shouted down. That is not only hilarious, it’s sad and not very empowering to anybody willing to make changes.

Nah. I’ve had toddlers. I recognize a tantrum when I see it. Keep raging.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love how Ozempic has completely unmasked fat shamers.

It has also provided an easy way out for the overweight and obese. It will be interesting to see what happens with these people, their weight and mental health long term. Also interested in finding out what happens if they develop tolerance or if they stop using it.

Skinny people are so mad that something might be actually easy for an obese person.

Gaining weight was easy for those now looking to lose it. Some skinny people struggle to reach and maintain a healthy weight.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many epic and profoundly un-self-aware temper tantrums from the “it’s all willpower and your emotional problems” crowd.

I’m really enjoying it, honestly. It’s the total lack of self awareness that makes it funny. If it’s all willpower and emotional problems, as they say and you joke about, then nothing could make that different and no one would be losing any weight on this.

I mostly come to these threads to watch the fat shamers rage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many epic and profoundly un-self-aware temper tantrums from the “it’s all willpower and your emotional problems” crowd.

I’m really enjoying it, honestly. It’s the total lack of self awareness that makes it funny. If it’s all willpower and emotional problems, as they say and you joke about, then nothing could make that different and no one would be losing any weight on this.

I mostly come to these threads to watch the fat shamers rage.

Correspondingly, it’s hilarious how there are large groups of snow flakes that refuse to accept it’s possible obesity is not an accident for every single person afflicted with that problem, and in a large number of instances it’s in fact self inflicted based on poor lifestyle choices entirely of their own making. The DC area is rife with examples of people with
more than enough means to address their own shortcomings and poor choices, yet they aren’t doing it. Instead you have people scrambling to get drugs designed to prevent people from dying prematurely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many epic and profoundly un-self-aware temper tantrums from the “it’s all willpower and your emotional problems” crowd.

So many PHRMA lobbyist posts like this ITT.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many epic and profoundly un-self-aware temper tantrums from the “it’s all willpower and your emotional problems” crowd.

I’m really enjoying it, honestly. It’s the total lack of self awareness that makes it funny. If it’s all willpower and emotional problems, as they say and you joke about, then nothing could make that different and no one would be losing any weight on this.

I mostly come to these threads to watch the fat shamers rage.

Correspondingly, it’s hilarious how there are large groups of snow flakes that refuse to accept it’s possible obesity is not an accident for every single person afflicted with that problem, and in a large number of instances it’s in fact self inflicted based on poor lifestyle choices entirely of their own making. The DC area is rife with examples of people with
more than enough means to address their own shortcomings and poor choices, yet they aren’t doing it. Instead you have people scrambling to get drugs designed to prevent people from dying prematurely.

Man, you are just so so so mad. Stomp stomp, whine whine.

[Anonymous]

I'm not surprised by this at all. Rimonabant is a cannabinoid antagonist that was approved in Europe for weight loss but never made it to the shelves here in the U.S. because it caused depression in a fair number of users. Dieting triggers depression in many people. A large caloric deficit can do that. These reports don't mean they need to pull ozempic off the shelves, it means it's something people need to be aware of when they start the medication, particularly if they have preexisting mental health conditions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

You are welcome to ignore it. That’s the very definition of not entertaining it. The opposite is shouting people down. We have seen how effective that is recently.

Sorry, who the hell are you again? Pretty sure PP doesn’t need your permission or to be told ways you think they are, or are not, “welcome” to respond. Please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

She is livid when anyone asks anything about these drugs - with the understanding that of course all drugs have side effects and it would be great to stem and reverse the obesity crisis. She’s still nucking futs all day, every day, on this topic.

It’s the same poster that acts like interpreting studies is some sort of gifted intellectual exercise when it isn’t. Anything that can’t be read and understood with a modest amount of background is poorly written. I suspect this poster is like the IT guy from Saturday night live 20 years ago. Likely does not spend time actually interacting with other humans. Definitely not in person.

I suppose it makes you feel better to imagine this, rather than reality, which is that smart people are impatient with the misinformation you continually spout. And I have no idea what you are talking about with respect to interpreting studies but obviously I’m not the only person who rolls their eyes at your posts.

Actual “smart people” don’t use phrases like “you don’t understand science” or “the science says…” or “on a population level” in a poor attempt to make themselves feel more informed and “right” about any topic. They don’t need to be the smartest person in the room. You are like the daily show crowd that thinks they are above average because they are informed by cable news.

There is misinformation and disagreement. You have decided everything disagreeable is misinformation. Sort of like Covid, and ridiculous vaccine mandates that have all disappeared. I can only guess where you stand on that nonsense.

Oh, you’re one of THOSE. It all becomes clear now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So many epic and profoundly un-self-aware temper tantrums from the “it’s all willpower and your emotional problems” crowd.

I’m really enjoying it, honestly. It’s the total lack of self awareness that makes it funny. If it’s all willpower and emotional problems, as they say and you joke about, then nothing could make that different and no one would be losing any weight on this.

I mostly come to these threads to watch the fat shamers rage.

Correspondingly, it’s hilarious how there are large groups of snow flakes that refuse to accept it’s possible obesity is not an accident for every single person afflicted with that problem, and in a large number of instances it’s in fact self inflicted based on poor lifestyle choices entirely of their own making. The DC area is rife with examples of people with
more than enough means to address their own shortcomings and poor choices, yet they aren’t doing it. Instead you have people scrambling to get drugs designed to prevent people from dying prematurely.

Man, you are just so so so mad. Stomp stomp, whine whine.

Not mad at all. This is a discussion board. Posting alternative opinions is the purpose.

Do you have anything if substance to add other than the same thing you post every time, which can conveniently be used as any response?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

You are welcome to ignore it. That’s the very definition of not entertaining it. The opposite is shouting people down. We have seen how effective that is recently.

Sorry, who the hell are you again? Pretty sure PP doesn’t need your permission or to be told ways you think they are, or are not, “welcome” to respond. Please.

Do you even know how to discussion board?