Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs

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Anonymous wrote:^p. This is because you believe that somehow morality is wrapped up in being thin and fat. But in order to believe that, you have to believe that all fat people are lazy sloths and all thin people are rugged and hearty.

And that's not true

What on earth are you talking about? You're totally projecting your own issues here.

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Anonymous wrote:^p. This is because you believe that somehow morality is wrapped up in being thin and fat. But in order to believe that, you have to believe that all fat people are lazy sloths and all thin people are rugged and hearty.

And that's not true

What on earth are you talking about? You're totally projecting your own issues here.

I don't have any issues. I am responding to this idea:
"Go do your own journey and enjoy it, but don't pretend like the 2 are comparable. Losing weight (and maintaining) on your own is incredibly hard, and of course it's different and more valuable in some ways."

If the goal is weight loss for health, it shouldn't matter if you diet or take the drugs. But people who wrap up self-worth and morality in "working hard" will have a hard time seeing the goal as what matters.

This thread is full of people here who belidve they are better because they never got fat or lost weight "naturally." Aside from the oddball Big Pharma poster, how else do you explain their attitude other than seeing being fat and thin as a morality/personality issue?

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Anonymous wrote:^p. This is because you believe that somehow morality is wrapped up in being thin and fat. But in order to believe that, you have to believe that all fat people are lazy sloths and all thin people are rugged and hearty.

And that's not true

What on earth are you talking about? You're totally projecting your own issues here.

I don't have any issues. I am responding to this idea:
"Go do your own journey and enjoy it, but don't pretend like the 2 are comparable. Losing weight (and maintaining) on your own is incredibly hard, and of course it's different and more valuable in some ways."

If the goal is weight loss for health, it shouldn't matter if you diet or take the drugs. But people who wrap up self-worth and morality in "working hard" will have a hard time seeing the goal as what matters.

This thread is full of people here who belidve they are better because they never got fat or lost weight "naturally." Aside from the oddball Big Pharma poster, how else do you explain their attitude other than seeing being fat and thin as a morality/personality issue?

You're the one focusing on thin-ness, not me. And health is more than just physical health - hence the subject of this thread (dealing with mental health issues associated with weight and subsequently weight loss, and working on sorting that stuff out).

Why are you putting "naturally" in quotes? Do you think exercise and watching what you eat isn't natural? Do you think pills and surgery are natural? Do what you want to achieve your goals, but it's naive to assume that someone who take steriods to look fit is equal to someone who shows up at the gym and puts in the work every day. They're not the same. I'm sorry that you're envious of people who are able to find the mental will to lose weight through hard work. No one's saying you're a failure for taking a pill or surgery, but yes of course it's easier. Obviously. Isn't that why people take it in the first place? Because they couldn't lose weight the old fashioned way? If losing weight through diet and exercise were easier, then why aren't they doing it?

Because it's hard AF that's why,.

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Anonymous wrote:^p. This is because you believe that somehow morality is wrapped up in being thin and fat. But in order to believe that, you have to believe that all fat people are lazy sloths and all thin people are rugged and hearty.

And that's not true

What on earth are you talking about? You're totally projecting your own issues here.

I don't have any issues. I am responding to this idea:
"Go do your own journey and enjoy it, but don't pretend like the 2 are comparable. Losing weight (and maintaining) on your own is incredibly hard, and of course it's different and more valuable in some ways."

If the goal is weight loss for health, it shouldn't matter if you diet or take the drugs. But people who wrap up self-worth and morality in "working hard" will have a hard time seeing the goal as what matters.

This thread is full of people here who belidve they are better because they never got fat or lost weight "naturally." Aside from the oddball Big Pharma poster, how else do you explain their attitude other than seeing being fat and thin as a morality/personality issue?

You're the one focusing on thin-ness, not me. And health is more than just physical health - hence the subject of this thread (dealing with mental health issues associated with weight and subsequently weight loss, and working on sorting that stuff out).

Why are you putting "naturally" in quotes? Do you think exercise and watching what you eat isn't natural? Do you think pills and surgery are natural? Do what you want to achieve your goals, but it's naive to assume that someone who take steriods to look fit is equal to someone who shows up at the gym and puts in the work every day. They're not the same. I'm sorry that you're envious of people who are able to find the mental will to lose weight through hard work. No one's saying you're a failure for taking a pill or surgery, but yes of course it's easier. Obviously. Isn't that why people take it in the first place? Because they couldn't lose weight the old fashioned way? If losing weight through diet and exercise were easier, then why aren't they doing it?

Because it's hard AF that's why,.

AS I said, I am a new poster. You assume I am envious. I am not. I am not overweight and never have been. I HAVE had to work hard to maintain my weight...super hard.

The difference between me and you is I don't think I am somehow better than others who have struggled as much or worse than I have. I am GLAD there is a way to science our way out of this.

Look how emotionally invested YOU are. Is the goal weight loss and health? If so, why does it matter how you get there?

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Anonymous wrote:^p. This is because you believe that somehow morality is wrapped up in being thin and fat. But in order to believe that, you have to believe that all fat people are lazy sloths and all thin people are rugged and hearty.

And that's not true

What on earth are you talking about? You're totally projecting your own issues here.

I don't have any issues. I am responding to this idea:
"Go do your own journey and enjoy it, but don't pretend like the 2 are comparable. Losing weight (and maintaining) on your own is incredibly hard, and of course it's different and more valuable in some ways."

If the goal is weight loss for health, it shouldn't matter if you diet or take the drugs. But people who wrap up self-worth and morality in "working hard" will have a hard time seeing the goal as what matters.

This thread is full of people here who belidve they are better because they never got fat or lost weight "naturally." Aside from the oddball Big Pharma poster, how else do you explain their attitude other than seeing being fat and thin as a morality/personality issue?

You're the one focusing on thin-ness, not me. And health is more than just physical health - hence the subject of this thread (dealing with mental health issues associated with weight and subsequently weight loss, and working on sorting that stuff out).

Why are you putting "naturally" in quotes? Do you think exercise and watching what you eat isn't natural? Do you think pills and surgery are natural? Do what you want to achieve your goals, but it's naive to assume that someone who take steriods to look fit is equal to someone who shows up at the gym and puts in the work every day. They're not the same. I'm sorry that you're envious of people who are able to find the mental will to lose weight through hard work. No one's saying you're a failure for taking a pill or surgery, but yes of course it's easier. Obviously. Isn't that why people take it in the first place? Because they couldn't lose weight the old fashioned way? If losing weight through diet and exercise were easier, then why aren't they doing it?

Because it's hard AF that's why,.

AS I said, I am a new poster. You assume I am envious. I am not. I am not overweight and never have been. I HAVE had to work hard to maintain my weight...super hard.

The difference between me and you is I don't think I am somehow better than others who have struggled as much or worse than I have. I am GLAD there is a way to science our way out of this.

Look how emotionally invested YOU are. Is the goal weight loss and health? If so, why does it matter how you get there?

Again, stop putting words in my mouth. And you didn't answer a single one of my questions. I never said that I was superior as a person because I lost weight naturally. I'm merely saying that the benefits are not equal.

Why are you in this thread if you have zero experience to speak of regarding obesity? I will say, however, that my experience IS superior to yours on this topic, because I have been there. And yes, the goal is health - both mental and physical. And there are some mental health benefits gained via losing weight naturally, that cannot be replicated in a pill.

[Anonymous]

"And there are some mental health benefits gained via losing weight naturally, that cannot be replicated in a pill."

Says who? You? This is not universally agreed upon. It's really personal and individual and as I said, you can only reach this conclusion if you believe most fat people are just sloths who haven't been through the wringer time and time again.

Anyway. I put "naturally' in quotes to show I was quoting another poster.

Exercise and diet are great and my life is so much better, MY life, for working out an hour every day and walking my dog miles daily. My vegetarian diet keeps my genetically high cholesterol lower, but yeah, I am still on Lipitor.

Here is why I am here: when I had anxiety and insomnia for over a decade, I was told by several people, including med. professionals, to just exercise and meditate my way through it. And damned did I try.

But eventually, SSNIs saved my life.

If someone wants to think their way has more value because they had to work so hard instead of taking a pill, fine i guess. But I see the results in my life.

You have ZERO idea what people who lose with via the shot will accomplish or what they tried before. You have ZERO standing to assert benefits for anyone else other than YOU.

[Anonymous]

The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

Want to stop being depressed: just be happy!
Want to stop genetic high cholesterol: eat more oatmeal!
Want to stop genetic high BP: eat less salt!
Want to get rid of that cancer: don't get it in the first place!
Want to quit smoking/drugs/alcohol: willpower alone, baby!

[Anonymous]

Watch .. they will find out the suicide rate on these drugs is close enough to the population in general.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

Want to stop being depressed: just be happy!
Want to stop genetic high cholesterol: eat more oatmeal!
Want to stop genetic high BP: eat less salt!
Want to get rid of that cancer: don't get it in the first place!
Want to quit smoking/drugs/alcohol: willpower alone, baby!

How exhausting is it being a victim of life all day long? Why bother?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

Want to stop being depressed: just be happy!
Want to stop genetic high cholesterol: eat more oatmeal!
Want to stop genetic high BP: eat less salt!
Want to get rid of that cancer: don't get it in the first place!
Want to quit smoking/drugs/alcohol: willpower alone, baby!

How exhausting is it being a victim of life all day long? Why bother?

Seriously.

[Anonymous]

Being fat is worse than having suicidal thoughts. Take the ozempic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

If cancer patients just drank more green juice, right? /s

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Anonymous wrote:I'll bet there's quite a bit of overlap between people who think that being skinny "naturally" is the only good body type and those who reject vaccines because only "natural immunity" is good.

Yup. Same dim energy. We already know that one of the angry fat-shamers is an anti-vaxxer.

Hi, I’m the poster than mentioned the ridiculous vaccine mandates in relation to people being shouted down. Of course, analogies are hard, so that went over a bunch of heads.

I went through the initial vaccination round and one booster. I have since stopped and won’t be bothering again given my risk profile. One I formed myself by turning my health around.

As for intersections, the group that isn’t willing to do the work to avoid Covid being a problem and scrambling for a passive solution in the form of endless vaccines is the same group that cedes their autonomy to big pharma to eliminate their obesity problem. Funny how that works out. Meanwhile, none of them have bothered reading any of the labels / package inserts for any of these drugs. Reading is also hard.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I hope you never stop posting here. You are endlessly entertaining.

Are you also the one who believes Big Pharma is…checks notes… harvesting the posts of moms on a small DC-based message board to decide the Big Pharma multi-billion dollar global advertising strategy? Do you also believe Meghan Markle is posting here? Do tell us more!

Actually no, I definitely don’t think that. Never posted anything like that.

Look, if you want to be unexceptional and cede your life over, go right ahead. At least do some basic research, even though it might require some reading. Though I have my doubts you would understand much of an FDA mandated label / package insert anyways given this response.

I’ll go back to not being fat and doing a lot of fun/epic things I couldn’t do when I was fat. I have no plans of ever living my life that way again. You ought to try it out some time. 🍻

Ooooh, I get it. You're mad you had to lose weight without a convenient tool that makes it much easier. I too am enjoying doing a lot of fun things, wearing cute clothes, and improvement in my health markers. Life is so much better now. The best part is it's been almost totally painless--no hunger, no restriction, no calorie counting. Just eating when I'm hungry and stopping when I'm full and the same exercise I did all along.

Since you know how much it sucks to be fat, why on earth would you discourage people from taking a medication that will make it so much easier not to be? There is no reason that makes sense other than that you are bitter that you had it harder than we do. You feel it takes away from your accomplishment to have all these formerly fat people running around who didn't earn it, who didn't suitably punish themselves enough. It just kills you that we get the same benefits and none of the suffering.

DP.

By taking a drug, you do NOT get all the same benefits of weight loss "the old fashioned way." Wow. I can't believe you're even suggesting that. Weightloss isn't just about weight or getting to a smaller size, it's about developing the confidence you can do really hard things, get really strong, overcome massive hurdles, and untangle how you got to be obese in the first place.

By all means, do what you want to lose weight. But do NOT make the comparison that they're the same and lead to the same benefits. That is absurd. There's also a hell of a lot of growth gained from "suffering" (I'd call it working hard towards a goal, instead of "suffering" as you call it).

Hahah I'm actually laughing. That's a new take. Ozempic is ROBBING fat people of an opportunity for growth and new heights of self-confidence! Their weight loss won't be as meaningful if they don't suffer--oops, I mean "work hard" for it!

Man, the cope is real.

You're either a troll, or a truly broken person projecting a mirror of yourself. Good luck. I hope you find peace and contentment in whatever.

Yeah, no. I’m not letting you say that to people like me and not calling it out for what it is, BS. That after years or decades or a lifetime of struggle with our weight and the mental, emotional, social, and physical burden of obesity, our weight loss is not as beneficial as those who had to put in more effort. As if we somehow sold ourselves short because we were not able to achieve weight loss without it. PP has every right to be proud of the effort they put in, but their journey is not any more valuable than mine.

It’s like telling a formerly homeless person that the roof over their head doesn’t provide them as many benefits as their neighbor who had to work three jobs to afford the security deposit. The growth they missed out on because they didn’t work hard! The self-confidence! What utter nonsense.

Sorry, but it's not all about you. You don't get to ignore the experience of people who successfully lost and maintained large weightloss all on their own. You want to take a drug or get surgery? Go for it. I wish you success. But the benefits of doing it on your own are incredible and unparalleled - that's WHY it's so hard. That's WHY so many people have not (yet) been able to do it. And the confidence gained from doing it on your own is incredibly valuable - who are you to dismiss it, if you have not experienced it?

Go do your own journey and enjoy it, but don't pretend like the 2 are comparable. Losing weight (and maintaining) on your own is incredibly hard, and of course it's different and more valuable in some ways.

You really need to search out a therapist. Dang.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

I love these threads because the crazy just can’t help leeching out. This is quite a demonstration.