Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

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"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

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The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

She is livid when anyone asks anything about these drugs - with the understanding that of course all drugs have side effects and it would be great to stem and reverse the obesity crisis. She’s still nucking futs all day, every day, on this topic.

It’s the same poster that acts like interpreting studies is some sort of gifted intellectual exercise when it isn’t. Anything that can’t be read and understood with a modest amount of background is poorly written. I suspect this poster is like the IT guy from Saturday night live 20 years ago. Likely does not spend time actually interacting with other humans. Definitely not in person.

I suppose it makes you feel better to imagine this, rather than reality, which is that smart people are impatient with the misinformation you continually spout. And I have no idea what you are talking about with respect to interpreting studies but obviously I’m not the only person who rolls their eyes at your posts.

Actual “smart people” don’t use phrases like “you don’t understand science” or “the science says…” or “on a population level” in a poor attempt to make themselves feel more informed and “right” about any topic. They don’t need to be the smartest person in the room. You are like the daily show crowd that thinks they are above average because they are informed by cable news.

There is misinformation and disagreement. You have decided everything disagreeable is misinformation. Sort of like Covid, and ridiculous vaccine mandates that have all disappeared. I can only guess where you stand on that nonsense.

What a temper tantrum you are having because you can’t gaslight obese people with your absurd illiterate theories any more. It’s entertaining to watch.

I don’t care what you think. Your lack of understanding is evident on its own. And you sound increasingly crazy as you spin out further.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

It's not a throne of hot air - it's the truth, and I've been obese most of my life.

Why else would someone be obese? I'm not talking an extra 15lbs.

If they really gain weight eating 1500 calories/day, or if they're physically hungry all day long eating that much, then they need to submit their bodies to scientific research, because those are truly incredible human anomalies.

Hate to tell you, but I've regularly consumed 1600 calories a day +/- and have gained weight every year since I was 18, I'm in my 40s now. I do not have a big appetite and drink 80-100 oz of water today and do light exercise. That should be enough to at least not gain weight. Only 2 things have worked for me to lose weight: HCG (years ago) and weight loss drugs - Mounjaro and now to a lesser extent, Ozempic (unfortunately had to switch). Even then, I lose slowly compared to some. I've been on weight loss drugs for about 9 months and have lost 40 lbs. I'd like to lose another 80 lbs.

I don't think my situation is as unique as many people assume.

Are you under 5ft tall?

Really, you ate exactly 1600 calories every day, including snacking, tasting food, all meals out of the house, and including calories in all drinks? Doubtful.

So how many calories are you eating now that you're on Mounjaro, causing you to lose? 800?

NP. I had throws cancer so I no longer have a thyroid. I can only stay a healthy weight at 1100cal a day and GLP1s enable me to do this without the extreme torture it is to have to sustain yourself in a low calorie diet. I’m in a thyroid support group and thetr are MANY people who are obese who have PCOS, Hashimotos, Cushing syndrome, people on medications with weight gain as a side effect and people with various thyroid disease.

Many of the people in my group (predominantly women who already receive terrible healthcare as a whole) were dismissed by the medical community the same way you are dismissive of them and it took them years to get a proper diagnosis.

Even if someone is an emotional eater or eats too much due to having a hunger hormone imbalance caused by a wacky pituitary gland there’s absolutely nothing wrong with them taking GLP1s to control that. Obesity is not a moral failing.

Instead of being a raging CU Next Tuesday maybe you should get in your hands and knees and be grateful that you don’t struggle with your own obesity and are so content riding up on your high horse.

I don’t think that poster has the capacity to understand what cancer or what a thyroid is tbh.

I’m glad you are doing better.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

She is livid when anyone asks anything about these drugs - with the understanding that of course all drugs have side effects and it would be great to stem and reverse the obesity crisis. She’s still nucking futs all day, every day, on this topic.

It’s the same poster that acts like interpreting studies is some sort of gifted intellectual exercise when it isn’t. Anything that can’t be read and understood with a modest amount of background is poorly written. I suspect this poster is like the IT guy from Saturday night live 20 years ago. Likely does not spend time actually interacting with other humans. Definitely not in person.

I suppose it makes you feel better to imagine this, rather than reality, which is that smart people are impatient with the misinformation you continually spout. And I have no idea what you are talking about with respect to interpreting studies but obviously I’m not the only person who rolls their eyes at your posts.

Actual “smart people” don’t use phrases like “you don’t understand science” or “the science says…” or “on a population level” in a poor attempt to make themselves feel more informed and “right” about any topic. They don’t need to be the smartest person in the room. You are like the daily show crowd that thinks they are above average because they are informed by cable news.

There is misinformation and disagreement. You have decided everything disagreeable is misinformation. Sort of like Covid, and ridiculous vaccine mandates that have all disappeared. I can only guess where you stand on that nonsense.

What a temper tantrum you are having because you can’t gaslight obese people with your absurd illiterate theories any more. It’s entertaining to watch.

I don’t care what you think. Your lack of understanding is evident on its own. And you sound increasingly crazy as you spin out further.

You’re still a fat pig

I would normally report nastiness like this but I will leave this stand just to demonstrate to readers the true nature of the concern trolls in this thread. Pinned down with logic and science, and unable to understand either, this is how they respond. It is a neat demonstration of who they are.

Also, because this is the only factor people like the PP can get through their slow minds: I’m not fat. I despise stupidity, though.

So calling someone fat is nasty, but calling someone stupid is okay? Cool. Cool.

[Anonymous]

I love how Ozempic has completely unmasked fat shamers.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how Ozempic has completely unmasked fat shamers.

It’s certainly demonstrated how unhinged they all are. They are losing their everlasting minds. I mean, speak of emotional issues!

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

She is livid when anyone asks anything about these drugs - with the understanding that of course all drugs have side effects and it would be great to stem and reverse the obesity crisis. She’s still nucking futs all day, every day, on this topic.

It’s the same poster that acts like interpreting studies is some sort of gifted intellectual exercise when it isn’t. Anything that can’t be read and understood with a modest amount of background is poorly written. I suspect this poster is like the IT guy from Saturday night live 20 years ago. Likely does not spend time actually interacting with other humans. Definitely not in person.

I suppose it makes you feel better to imagine this, rather than reality, which is that smart people are impatient with the misinformation you continually spout. And I have no idea what you are talking about with respect to interpreting studies but obviously I’m not the only person who rolls their eyes at your posts.

Actual “smart people” don’t use phrases like “you don’t understand science” or “the science says…” or “on a population level” in a poor attempt to make themselves feel more informed and “right” about any topic. They don’t need to be the smartest person in the room. You are like the daily show crowd that thinks they are above average because they are informed by cable news.

There is misinformation and disagreement. You have decided everything disagreeable is misinformation. Sort of like Covid, and ridiculous vaccine mandates that have all disappeared. I can only guess where you stand on that nonsense.

What a temper tantrum you are having because you can’t gaslight obese people with your absurd illiterate theories any more. It’s entertaining to watch.

I don’t care what you think. Your lack of understanding is evident on its own. And you sound increasingly crazy as you spin out further.

You’re still a fat pig

I would normally report nastiness like this but I will leave this stand just to demonstrate to readers the true nature of the concern trolls in this thread. Pinned down with logic and science, and unable to understand either, this is how they respond. It is a neat demonstration of who they are.

Also, because this is the only factor people like the PP can get through their slow minds: I’m not fat. I despise stupidity, though.

So calling someone fat is nasty, but calling someone stupid is okay? Cool. Cool.

True, those posters should be just pitied. They probably can’t help their inability to understand basic scientific concepts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love how Ozempic has completely unmasked fat shamers.

It has also provided an easy way out for the overweight and obese. It will be interesting to see what happens with these people, their weight and mental health long term. Also interested in finding out what happens if they develop tolerance or if they stop using it.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

NP.
“Idiotic/dumb theory” and “scientifically illiterate” is abusive language?

Apparently that PP believes that anything other than fawning validation is “abusive.” 🙄

Ok, so you are completely mentally healthy and have an endocrine disorder which has caused your high weight and bad mood. Enjoy the injections and weight loss.

I don’t need to lose any weight (healthy BMI), I don’t have an endocrine disorder, and I’m very likely more athletic than you. I just hate stupidity. Sorry that bothers you so much.

No one believes you are healthy in bmi or emotionality.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

It’s a plainly idiotic theory. Seriously, when did we start entertaining the ramblings of the scientifically illiterate so much in this society? Dumb theories should be laughed at and tossed, not considered because someone threw together an incoherent stream of words.

Hit a nerve?

"I said something dumb and someone called me on it."

OR

"The fact that I'm being criticized proves how right I am!"

OR
The fact that you hit back repeatedly and so hard and using abusive language betrays your hyper-sensitivity. Your reaction to someone's opinion is disproportionate to what was written. You chose to use abusive language even though no one else here did.

NP.
“Idiotic/dumb theory” and “scientifically illiterate” is abusive language?

Apparently that PP believes that anything other than fawning validation is “abusive.” 🙄

Ok, so you are completely mentally healthy and have an endocrine disorder which has caused your high weight and bad mood. Enjoy the injections and weight loss.

I don’t need to lose any weight (healthy BMI), I don’t have an endocrine disorder, and I’m very likely more athletic than you. I just hate stupidity. Sorry that bothers you so much.

No one believes you are healthy in bmi or emotionality.

Keep stomping your feet and throwing a tantrum, my angry little friend. It is entertaining.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a valid theory. Just weight loss on its own can cause depression, regardless of the method. Rapid weight loss can change hormones so quickly that it causes mental changes. And it is a thing that people think losing weight is going to solve all of their problems, and when it doesn’t they feel depressed.

That might not be everyone’s experience, obviously, but just because people point out possible problems with the medication doesn’t mean they hate it.

NP, and it's a valid theory, and could be concerning. The most successful people I know regarding weightloss and maintenance, are people who've developed a regular exercise regimen - precisely because they've redirected emotional eating with a healthier emotional outlet.

People are obese for only a few reasons. 1) They grew up in families with poor eating habits and don't know better, 2) they're eating to fulfill an emotional need (often unaware). Very, very, very few people are obese because they have a true metabolic disorder.

If you take a drug for weightloss and don't deal with the mental/emotional stuff (or redirect it with a healthy outlet), it doesn't go away.

And yes, I've personally been on all sides of this coin.

I feel really bad for you. People who pretend to have all the answers are usually sitting on a throne of hot air.

It's not a throne of hot air - it's the truth, and I've been obese most of my life.

Why else would someone be obese? I'm not talking an extra 15lbs.

If they really gain weight eating 1500 calories/day, or if they're physically hungry all day long eating that much, then they need to submit their bodies to scientific research, because those are truly incredible human anomalies.

Hate to tell you, but I've regularly consumed 1600 calories a day +/- and have gained weight every year since I was 18, I'm in my 40s now. I do not have a big appetite and drink 80-100 oz of water today and do light exercise. That should be enough to at least not gain weight. Only 2 things have worked for me to lose weight: HCG (years ago) and weight loss drugs - Mounjaro and now to a lesser extent, Ozempic (unfortunately had to switch). Even then, I lose slowly compared to some. I've been on weight loss drugs for about 9 months and have lost 40 lbs. I'd like to lose another 80 lbs.

I don't think my situation is as unique as many people assume.

Are you under 5ft tall?

Really, you ate exactly 1600 calories every day, including snacking, tasting food, all meals out of the house, and including calories in all drinks? Doubtful.

So how many calories are you eating now that you're on Mounjaro, causing you to lose? 800?

No, I'm 5'9".

Reading comprehension must be hard for you. I said 1600 calories +/-, not exactly. And I said regularly, not every day. My point is, I don't eat much. I generally eat half or less of every restaurant meal. But 1600 calories was my goal and I was at or very close to that most days. I eat FAR less than my husband who is a healthy BMI.

I don't know how many calories I eat on Ozempic (or when I was on Mounjaro). Less than I was. I don't track anymore. I don't get very hungry, but I do still eat. I tracked when I first started and never let myself go below 1100ish calories.

I have tried quite literally almost everything and nothing has worked really well. Even Mounjaro, while it works, I'm a slower loser than some. Ozempic is even slower. HCG gave me the most dramatic weightloss, but that diet plan is not sustainable. It sucks, but what really sucks is @$$holes like you just assume that I'm a lazy glutton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I love how Ozempic has completely unmasked fat shamers.

They can't feel as superior about being thin. Some of the thinnest people I know have some of the most unhealthy habits. It's hard for them to reconcile that overweight people may actually have healthy habits, but their bodies just work against them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I love how Ozempic has completely unmasked fat shamers.

They can't feel as superior about being thin. Some of the thinnest people I know have some of the most unhealthy habits. It's hard for them to reconcile that overweight people may actually have healthy habits, but their bodies just work against them.

Thin people don't feel superior. They are simply living their lives in the body they have. You are projecting and it comes off as jealousy. Following your line of thinking, I, as a thin person, can still (allegedly) feel superior to you because I am naturally thin AND I can eat wtf I want.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how Ozempic has completely unmasked fat shamers.

They can't feel as superior about being thin. Some of the thinnest people I know have some of the most unhealthy habits. It's hard for them to reconcile that overweight people may actually have healthy habits, but their bodies just work against them.

Thin people don't feel superior. They are simply living their lives in the body they have. You are projecting and it comes off as jealousy. Following your line of thinking, I, as a thin person, can still (allegedly) feel superior to you because I am naturally thin AND I can eat wtf I want.

Yes, dear. That’s part of the shaming.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how Ozempic has completely unmasked fat shamers.

It has also provided an easy way out for the overweight and obese. It will be interesting to see what happens with these people, their weight and mental health long term. Also interested in finding out what happens if they develop tolerance or if they stop using it.

I love that you’re still trying to fat shame people. You poor mouse; how much of your existence is spent obsessing over fat people? You will reply, none, nothing, not even a bit, but your post shows otherwise.

Peace to you.

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Anonymous wrote:I love how Ozempic has completely unmasked fat shamers.

It has also provided an easy way out for the overweight and obese. It will be interesting to see what happens with these people, their weight and mental health long term. Also interested in finding out what happens if they develop tolerance or if they stop using it.

Skinny people are so mad that something might be actually easy for an obese person.