Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

I love these threads because the crazy just can’t help leeching out. This is quite a demonstration.

Do you plan to point out what is illogical or “crazy” about this post? Unlikely.

More likely, there isn’t anything illogical about what I posted and you are totally fine with a shortened life span and addiction to passive solutions because life is hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^p. This is because you believe that somehow morality is wrapped up in being thin and fat. But in order to believe that, you have to believe that all fat people are lazy sloths and all thin people are rugged and hearty.

And that's not true

What on earth are you talking about? You're totally projecting your own issues here.

I don't have any issues. I am responding to this idea:
"Go do your own journey and enjoy it, but don't pretend like the 2 are comparable. Losing weight (and maintaining) on your own is incredibly hard, and of course it's different and more valuable in some ways."

If the goal is weight loss for health, it shouldn't matter if you diet or take the drugs. But people who wrap up self-worth and morality in "working hard" will have a hard time seeing the goal as what matters.

This thread is full of people here who belidve they are better because they never got fat or lost weight "naturally." Aside from the oddball Big Pharma poster, how else do you explain their attitude other than seeing being fat and thin as a morality/personality issue?

You're the one focusing on thin-ness, not me. And health is more than just physical health - hence the subject of this thread (dealing with mental health issues associated with weight and subsequently weight loss, and working on sorting that stuff out).

Why are you putting "naturally" in quotes? Do you think exercise and watching what you eat isn't natural? Do you think pills and surgery are natural? Do what you want to achieve your goals, but it's naive to assume that someone who take steriods to look fit is equal to someone who shows up at the gym and puts in the work every day. They're not the same. I'm sorry that you're envious of people who are able to find the mental will to lose weight through hard work. No one's saying you're a failure for taking a pill or surgery, but yes of course it's easier. Obviously. Isn't that why people take it in the first place? Because they couldn't lose weight the old fashioned way? If losing weight through diet and exercise were easier, then why aren't they doing it?

Because it's hard AF that's why,.

I wear shoes when I run. Nothing "natural" about that.

[Anonymous]

There is nothing valuable about suffering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

Want to stop being depressed: just be happy!
Want to stop genetic high cholesterol: eat more oatmeal!
Want to stop genetic high BP: eat less salt!
Want to get rid of that cancer: don't get it in the first place!
Want to quit smoking/drugs/alcohol: willpower alone, baby!

How exhausting is it being a victim of life all day long? Why bother?

You are going to have to explain how this post demonstrates victim mentality?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

Want to stop being depressed: just be happy!
Want to stop genetic high cholesterol: eat more oatmeal!
Want to stop genetic high BP: eat less salt!
Want to get rid of that cancer: don't get it in the first place!
Want to quit smoking/drugs/alcohol: willpower alone, baby!

How exhausting is it being a victim of life all day long? Why bother?

You are going to have to explain how this post demonstrates victim mentality?

PP didn't want to grapple with the ways in which human inventions have helped people deal with health conditions. Because they want people to grapple with this specific health condition "naturally" because of reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

I love these threads because the crazy just can’t help leeching out. This is quite a demonstration.

Do you plan to point out what is illogical or “crazy” about this post? Unlikely.

More likely, there isn’t anything illogical about what I posted and you are totally fine with a shortened life span and addiction to passive solutions because life is hard.

Please keep posting, crazy!! You are entertaining.

I don’t take Ozempic, I don’t have a weight problem, and I don’t drink because I don’t like it. My family tends to live well into their late 90s.

You know being totally insane and miserable can harm your life? Your misery and scrabbling fear that someone, somewhere has had an easier life than you think they deserve is harming you, you know. Take a breath and let it all go.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that injecting yourself with big pharma juice is somehow equivalent to actually doing the work to control your own health is genuinely dumb. No other area of life would be described this way here.

Want to be an engineer or obesity researcher? This crowd would suggest you actually spend time studying. Need to stop being obese because you are over-consuming and not moving enough? Injection is fine.

Cardio engine is not a test you can cheat on. Even EPO won’t do anything if you are a lazy passive solution bum.

One way is sustainable and controllable by yourself. The other relies on being addicted and beholden to a company vending juice.

I love these threads because the crazy just can’t help leeching out. This is quite a demonstration.

Do you plan to point out what is illogical or “crazy” about this post? Unlikely.

More likely, there isn’t anything illogical about what I posted and you are totally fine with a shortened life span and addiction to passive solutions because life is hard.

Please keep posting, crazy!! You are entertaining.

I don’t take Ozempic, I don’t have a weight problem, and I don’t drink because I don’t like it. My family tends to live well into their late 90s.

You know being totally insane and miserable can harm your life? Your misery and scrabbling fear that someone, somewhere has had an easier life than you think they deserve is harming you, you know. Take a breath and let it all go.

Still waiting to read what was crazy or illogical.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^p. This is because you believe that somehow morality is wrapped up in being thin and fat. But in order to believe that, you have to believe that all fat people are lazy sloths and all thin people are rugged and hearty.

And that's not true

What on earth are you talking about? You're totally projecting your own issues here.

I don't have any issues. I am responding to this idea:
"Go do your own journey and enjoy it, but don't pretend like the 2 are comparable. Losing weight (and maintaining) on your own is incredibly hard, and of course it's different and more valuable in some ways."

If the goal is weight loss for health, it shouldn't matter if you diet or take the drugs. But people who wrap up self-worth and morality in "working hard" will have a hard time seeing the goal as what matters.

This thread is full of people here who belidve they are better because they never got fat or lost weight "naturally." Aside from the oddball Big Pharma poster, how else do you explain their attitude other than seeing being fat and thin as a morality/personality issue?

You're the one focusing on thin-ness, not me. And health is more than just physical health - hence the subject of this thread (dealing with mental health issues associated with weight and subsequently weight loss, and working on sorting that stuff out).

Why are you putting "naturally" in quotes? Do you think exercise and watching what you eat isn't natural? Do you think pills and surgery are natural? Do what you want to achieve your goals, but it's naive to assume that someone who take steriods to look fit is equal to someone who shows up at the gym and puts in the work every day. They're not the same. I'm sorry that you're envious of people who are able to find the mental will to lose weight through hard work. No one's saying you're a failure for taking a pill or surgery, but yes of course it's easier. Obviously. Isn't that why people take it in the first place? Because they couldn't lose weight the old fashioned way? If losing weight through diet and exercise were easier, then why aren't they doing it?

Because it's hard AF that's why,.

Not “easier,” possible.

And once again you are assuming that anyone who is obese is mentally ill. Then you go on to assume that anyone who loses weight with drugs or surgery or whatever hasn’t put in the work of eating better, exercising and dealing with emotional issues. That’s completely arrogant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

Europe is investigating 150 cases, not 3.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-statement-ongoing-review-glp-1-receptor-agonists

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

Europe is investigating 150 cases, not 3.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-statement-ongoing-review-glp-1-receptor-agonists

“The review of Ozempic, Saxenda and Wegovy started on 3 July 2023 and has now been extended to include other GLP-1 receptor agonists. This review is expected to conclude in November 2023.”
So if my research is correct, exenatide (Byetta), liraglutide (Saxenda), lixisenatide (Lyxumia in the EU, Adlyxin in the US), dulaglutide (Trulicity), and semaglutide (Ozempic/Wegovy). That’s a few more drugs than just semaglutide, and since it’s gone from 3 cases to 150 in the expansion of the study, it would suggest that it’s one of these other GLP-1 agonists that is causing a problem or perhaps causes a problem when used in tandem with another drug.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

Europe is investigating 150 cases, not 3.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-statement-ongoing-review-glp-1-receptor-agonists

“The review of Ozempic, Saxenda and Wegovy started on 3 July 2023 and has now been extended to include other GLP-1 receptor agonists. This review is expected to conclude in November 2023.”
So if my research is correct, exenatide (Byetta), liraglutide (Saxenda), lixisenatide (Lyxumia in the EU, Adlyxin in the US), dulaglutide (Trulicity), and semaglutide (Ozempic/Wegovy). That’s a few more drugs than just semaglutide, and since it’s gone from 3 cases to 150 in the expansion of the study, it would suggest that it’s one of these other GLP-1 agonists that is causing a problem or perhaps causes a problem when used in tandem with another drug.

God forbid you introduce facts. The anti-Wegovy posters would lose their minds.

[Anonymous]

I'm not going to read all the back and forth arguing, so apologies if someone has already said this. But it's honestly not surprising that GLP-1 agonists could have this effect on some people. There are lots of GLP-1 receptors in the brain and they have been implicated in reward processing. This is probably why GLP-1 agonists are more effective than other weight loss drugs. These agonists reduce craving/wanting and rumination about food. Some people taking it have lamented that they don't enjoy certain food/drink the way they used to. It stands to reason that GLP-1 receptors could trigger an anhedonia of sorts in some people for reasons we don't yet understand. As more studies are done we will find out more about the effects of these drugs on brain circuits important for reward, emotion, and mood regulation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not going to read all the back and forth arguing, so apologies if someone has already said this. But it's honestly not surprising that GLP-1 agonists could have this effect on some people. There are lots of GLP-1 receptors in the brain and they have been implicated in reward processing. This is probably why GLP-1 agonists are more effective than other weight loss drugs. These agonists reduce craving/wanting and rumination about food. Some people taking it have lamented that they don't enjoy certain food/drink the way they used to. It stands to reason that GLP-1 receptors could trigger an anhedonia of sorts in some people for reasons we don't yet understand. As more studies are done we will find out more about the effects of these drugs on brain circuits important for reward, emotion, and mood regulation.

GLP-1 agonists, not receptors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

Europe is investigating 150 cases, not 3.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-statement-ongoing-review-glp-1-receptor-agonists

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

Europe is investigating 150 cases, not 3.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-statement-ongoing-review-glp-1-receptor-agonists

“The review of Ozempic, Saxenda and Wegovy started on 3 July 2023 and has now been extended to include other GLP-1 receptor agonists. This review is expected to conclude in November 2023.”
So if my research is correct, exenatide (Byetta), liraglutide (Saxenda), lixisenatide (Lyxumia in the EU, Adlyxin in the US), dulaglutide (Trulicity), and semaglutide (Ozempic/Wegovy). That’s a few more drugs than just semaglutide, and since it’s gone from 3 cases to 150 in the expansion of the study, it would suggest that it’s one of these other GLP-1 agonists that is causing a problem or perhaps causes a problem when used in tandem with another drug.

God forbid you introduce facts. The anti-Wegovy posters would lose their minds.

I’m the op you’re replying to and I’m glad Europe is checking it out if it’s legit come to their attention, but Ozempic has been available since 2017. It’s not a new-new drug untested by anyone.

You can hear people all but smacking their lips in excitement at this news of possible mental health side effects. These people, for all they have posted on here for years about how they don’t want to shame anyone for being fat, they’re just concerned about how unhealthy fat is. Now that people have a real tool for weight loss, they’re very concerned about that, too.