Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs

[Anonymous]

Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

[Anonymous]

The jealousy knows no end!

Of course, that’s sarcasm. Interventions like these sometimes have unknown side effects until a wider population is using the drugs. Some of these have been on the market for sometime, so I find this surprising.

[Anonymous]

Nope, my mental health has literally never been better after over a year on ozempic. I’m happier, less impulsive, less emotional, less anxious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The jealousy knows no end!

Of course, that’s sarcasm. Interventions like these sometimes have unknown side effects until a wider population is using the drugs. Some of these have been on the market for sometime, so I find this surprising.

Yup. I also found it interesting that the EMA is also investigating increased risks for all types of thyroid cancers with these drugs.

But yeah, it can be very difficult to detect safety concerns in clinical trials if there is low prevalence like 0.5-1%. But once you give a drug to 1 million people, would it be acceptable for 1000 people to have increased risks of suicidal thoughts? We will see how this investigation in Europe goes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

3 out of how many that got the drug? You fail to realize risks can balloon when you give something to a lot more people. Sure, if something causes harm to 0.1% of people it is a low incidence rate, but if you give it to 10 million people, is it acceptable to affect 10000 people if it causes something death? Low incidence alone isn't the whole story. It's also the potential for the amount of people who can be exposed to a risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

3 out of how many that got the drug? You fail to realize risks can balloon when you give something to a lot more people. Sure, if something causes harm to 0.1% of people it is a low incidence rate, but if you give it to 10 million people, is it acceptable to affect 10000 people if it causes something death? Low incidence alone isn't the whole story. It's also the potential for the amount of people who can be exposed to a risk.

I work with stats for a living. I’d never cite a shady Yahoo article to begin with, but since you did, no, your low incidence absent any other information remains a ridiculous overreach.

I think you’re just furious these drugs exist now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

3 out of how many that got the drug? You fail to realize risks can balloon when you give something to a lot more people. Sure, if something causes harm to 0.1% of people it is a low incidence rate, but if you give it to 10 million people, is it acceptable to affect 10000 people if it causes something death? Low incidence alone isn't the whole story. It's also the potential for the amount of people who can be exposed to a risk.

I work with stats for a living. I’d never cite a shady Yahoo article to begin with, but since you did, no, your low incidence absent any other information remains a ridiculous overreach.

I think you’re just furious these drugs exist now.

Who knew Reuters is now a 'shady' source.

You can hoot and holler all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the EMA is now reviewing the drugs over this issue, which is the topic of this discussion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

3 out of how many that got the drug? You fail to realize risks can balloon when you give something to a lot more people. Sure, if something causes harm to 0.1% of people it is a low incidence rate, but if you give it to 10 million people, is it acceptable to affect 10000 people if it causes something death? Low incidence alone isn't the whole story. It's also the potential for the amount of people who can be exposed to a risk.

I work with stats for a living. I’d never cite a shady Yahoo article to begin with, but since you did, no, your low incidence absent any other information remains a ridiculous overreach.

I think you’re just furious these drugs exist now.

Who knew Reuters is now a 'shady' source.

You can hoot and holler all you want, it doesn't change the fact that the EMA is now reviewing the drugs over this issue, which is the topic of this discussion.

You don’t even understand what they are actually doing. Goodness.

Stop stamping your foot and having a tantrum about issues that are clearly outside your comprehension.

[Anonymous]

Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

[Anonymous]

What about suicidal thoughts for those who are obese and not on these medications?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh my god, what rubbish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

Oh for Pete’s sake. Honestly sometimes I wonder if the people who hate these drugs so much suffer from brain function loss due to caloric deprivation.

It’s a theory. A bad one. And, it depends on the idea that obese people actually overeat. But we have learned through this forum that doesn’t happen and obese people live on air or eat 1000 calories a day.

[Anonymous]

Absolutely ridiculous. I’ve been on Wagovy and eat great, stopped drinking and lost weight. I’m feeling and moving better than before. My blood pressure has improved and I’ve stopped some medications.
My insurance covers it probably because I am saving them money in the long run.
If asked, I would deny taking Wegovy. I find people are ignorant and I don’t want to hear the words that come out of their mouth.