Europe investigating suicidal thoughts with weight loss drugs

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

Europe is investigating 150 cases, not 3.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-statement-ongoing-review-glp-1-receptor-agonists

“The review of Ozempic, Saxenda and Wegovy started on 3 July 2023 and has now been extended to include other GLP-1 receptor agonists. This review is expected to conclude in November 2023.”
So if my research is correct, exenatide (Byetta), liraglutide (Saxenda), lixisenatide (Lyxumia in the EU, Adlyxin in the US), dulaglutide (Trulicity), and semaglutide (Ozempic/Wegovy). That’s a few more drugs than just semaglutide, and since it’s gone from 3 cases to 150 in the expansion of the study, it would suggest that it’s one of these other GLP-1 agonists that is causing a problem or perhaps causes a problem when used in tandem with another drug.

God forbid you introduce facts. The anti-Wegovy posters would lose their minds.

I’m the op you’re replying to and I’m glad Europe is checking it out if it’s legit come to their attention, but Ozempic has been available since 2017. It’s not a new-new drug untested by anyone.

You can hear people all but smacking their lips in excitement at this news of possible mental health side effects. These people, for all they have posted on here for years about how they don’t want to shame anyone for being fat, they’re just concerned about how unhealthy fat is. Now that people have a real tool for weight loss, they’re very concerned about that, too.

I’m the *pp, not the *op.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone else find this concerning?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/eu-probes-novo-nordisk-drugs-after-reports-of-suicidal-thoughts/ar-AA1dFsVy

This forum pumps these drugs like you should pop them like candy. Has anyone on these drugs noticed any disturbed thoughts you didn't have before you were on them?

No, they don’t. There are reasoned discussions of trade offs. You just say this because you’re one of the posters who is furious that it turns out that obesity isn’t a moral failing (since it can be remediated with a weekly shot now), and you are lashing out angrily as a result and searching desperately for any reason to lash out at the drugs further. You should seek help for your own glaring emotional struggles rather than this sad hobby.

The article you linked said that three people had reported thoughts of self-harm. Three.

Europe is investigating 150 cases, not 3.

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/ema-statement-ongoing-review-glp-1-receptor-agonists

“The review of Ozempic, Saxenda and Wegovy started on 3 July 2023 and has now been extended to include other GLP-1 receptor agonists. This review is expected to conclude in November 2023.”
So if my research is correct, exenatide (Byetta), liraglutide (Saxenda), lixisenatide (Lyxumia in the EU, Adlyxin in the US), dulaglutide (Trulicity), and semaglutide (Ozempic/Wegovy). That’s a few more drugs than just semaglutide, and since it’s gone from 3 cases to 150 in the expansion of the study, it would suggest that it’s one of these other GLP-1 agonists that is causing a problem or perhaps causes a problem when used in tandem with another drug.

God forbid you introduce facts. The anti-Wegovy posters would lose their minds.

I’m the op you’re replying to and I’m glad Europe is checking it out if it’s legit come to their attention, but Ozempic has been available since 2017. It’s not a new-new drug untested by anyone.

You can hear people all but smacking their lips in excitement at this news of possible mental health side effects. These people, for all they have posted on here for years about how they don’t want to shame anyone for being fat, they’re just concerned about how unhealthy fat is. Now that people have a real tool for weight loss, they’re very concerned about that, too.

Agreed. It is vile behavior.

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I am new to this (I am what you call naturally thin but started gaining weight with age and am about to try a low dose of metformin bought in a country where you don’t need a prescription), and I am truly appalled that people aren’t embracing the wonderful scientific discoveries that help people solve their problems without suffering, finally!
I personally will take any pill except heavy narcotics that can potentially improve my quality of life. If bad side effects happen I will just quit, NBD.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's my theory: many overweight and obese people eat to soothe their emotional pain. Take away or diminish appetite and there's no mode of self soothing. Without that comfort, the pain emerges and the suicide ideation begins or they find something else to soothe the pain. See also: gastric surgery patients who become alcoholics.

I skipped the rest of the thread because this is the only certain answer to be found.

I have food addiction, have used food to cope with my feelings since my toxic abusive childhood - which also included watching my mother’s abuse and enduring the abuse she dished out to her kids in her depression and anger - at the hands of alcoholic father who gave his addiction gene to all of the kids he spawned but couldn’t love. My siblings are all alcoholics and I have FA. In my case the weight didn’t come until my early 40s and has only been on me a few years so I hold out hope I can get it off and manage my FA.

My doctors sent me for bariatric consultation which I completed including all the pre-op testing. My therapist would not clear me at that time for surgery because my depression was acute at the time. While we worked on that, I did a lot of hours reading in the Reddit and Facebook support pages for bariatric patients. I then did some deep dive research in the medical journals on long term followup of bariatric patients.

The ugly truth that bariatric surgeons don’t address in pre operative conversations with patients is that there is an extraordinarily high rate of transfer addiction in bariatric patients. Many become alcoholics or abuse other substances. Beyond the five year success rate that most medical professionals utilize in selling treatments, there is a fairly high rate of failure and return of the weight as well. And the potential for complications of these surgeries, including a host of health issues related to nutrient deficiencies that can occur if people supplement imperfectly following surgery (you have to supplement daily the rest of your life after bariatric surgery) is just huge. Lisa Marie’s death is not a common incidence for bariatric patients but the adhesions/blockage is, they just usually get treated/fixed which can include you ending up with even worse conditions like a colostomy bag, etc.

People shouldn’t be criticizing these drugs if they can help people get healthier without such serious complications as bariatric surgery presents. An increased incidence in suicidality in a large population of patients with overweight/obesity using the drug is entirely to be expected- it isn’t likely a side effect of the biochemical effects of the drug, it’s a side effect of the food addicted person not having the ability to use their preferred substance to medicate their emotional trauma.

It would be interesting to do some research on increased suicidality in alcoholics using Antabuse or opiod addicts using methadone or suboxone. I would guess there is some incidence. Addicts suffer from emotional distress, and recovery is a struggle because most addicts don’t get enough effective psycho therapy or other treatments for their trauma and depression, they just get sober and have to suffer the onslaught of their trauma with no coping mechanisms in place and they have to build those. For addicts it’s more comfortable to transfer to another addiction and most don’t choose meditation or exercise as the addiction.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll bet there's quite a bit of overlap between people who think that being skinny "naturally" is the only good body type and those who reject vaccines because only "natural immunity" is good.

Yup. Same dim energy. We already know that one of the angry fat-shamers is an anti-vaxxer.

Hi, I’m the poster than mentioned the ridiculous vaccine mandates in relation to people being shouted down. Of course, analogies are hard, so that went over a bunch of heads.

I went through the initial vaccination round and one booster. I have since stopped and won’t be bothering again given my risk profile. One I formed myself by turning my health around.

As for intersections, the group that isn’t willing to do the work to avoid Covid being a problem and scrambling for a passive solution in the form of endless vaccines is the same group that cedes their autonomy to big pharma to eliminate their obesity problem. Funny how that works out. Meanwhile, none of them have bothered reading any of the labels / package inserts for any of these drugs. Reading is also hard.

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I hope you never stop posting here. You are endlessly entertaining.

Are you also the one who believes Big Pharma is…checks notes… harvesting the posts of moms on a small DC-based message board to decide the Big Pharma multi-billion dollar global advertising strategy? Do you also believe Meghan Markle is posting here? Do tell us more!

Actually no, I definitely don’t think that. Never posted anything like that.

Look, if you want to be unexceptional and cede your life over, go right ahead. At least do some basic research, even though it might require some reading. Though I have my doubts you would understand much of an FDA mandated label / package insert anyways given this response.

I’ll go back to not being fat and doing a lot of fun/epic things I couldn’t do when I was fat. I have no plans of ever living my life that way again. You ought to try it out some time. 🍻

Ooooh, I get it. You're mad you had to lose weight without a convenient tool that makes it much easier. I too am enjoying doing a lot of fun things, wearing cute clothes, and improvement in my health markers. Life is so much better now. The best part is it's been almost totally painless--no hunger, no restriction, no calorie counting. Just eating when I'm hungry and stopping when I'm full and the same exercise I did all along.

Since you know how much it sucks to be fat, why on earth would you discourage people from taking a medication that will make it so much easier not to be? There is no reason that makes sense other than that you are bitter that you had it harder than we do. You feel it takes away from your accomplishment to have all these formerly fat people running around who didn't earn it, who didn't suitably punish themselves enough. It just kills you that we get the same benefits and none of the suffering.

DP.

By taking a drug, you do NOT get all the same benefits of weight loss "the old fashioned way." Wow. I can't believe you're even suggesting that. Weightloss isn't just about weight or getting to a smaller size, it's about developing the confidence you can do really hard things, get really strong, overcome massive hurdles, and untangle how you got to be obese in the first place.

By all means, do what you want to lose weight. But do NOT make the comparison that they're the same and lead to the same benefits. That is absurd. There's also a hell of a lot of growth gained from "suffering" (I'd call it working hard towards a goal, instead of "suffering" as you call it).

Hahah I'm actually laughing. That's a new take. Ozempic is ROBBING fat people of an opportunity for growth and new heights of self-confidence! Their weight loss won't be as meaningful if they don't suffer--oops, I mean "work hard" for it!

Man, the cope is real.

You're either a troll, or a truly broken person projecting a mirror of yourself. Good luck. I hope you find peace and contentment in whatever.

DP.
Oh come on. You have to admit that was pretty funny.

+1. “Natural” weight loss isn’t unnecessary suffering. It’s an opportunity, actually!

Also the point above about these tools making us beholden to Big Pharma made me realize that, every time I go to the grocery, I’m beholden to Big Ag. I’m going to hunt & gather from now on.

I’m sure poster meant this comment to be sarcastic, but considering how much of our food is now engineered specifically to drive overeating, we might begin to make the connection that we are all ‘beholden’ (enslaved) to Big Food and Big Pharma alike in this societal battle against the overweight/obesity pandemic and the many associated lifestyle driven chronic health conditions we are medicating to the tune of billions.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll bet there's quite a bit of overlap between people who think that being skinny "naturally" is the only good body type and those who reject vaccines because only "natural immunity" is good.

Yup. Same dim energy. We already know that one of the angry fat-shamers is an anti-vaxxer.

Hi, I’m the poster than mentioned the ridiculous vaccine mandates in relation to people being shouted down. Of course, analogies are hard, so that went over a bunch of heads.

I went through the initial vaccination round and one booster. I have since stopped and won’t be bothering again given my risk profile. One I formed myself by turning my health around.

As for intersections, the group that isn’t willing to do the work to avoid Covid being a problem and scrambling for a passive solution in the form of endless vaccines is the same group that cedes their autonomy to big pharma to eliminate their obesity problem. Funny how that works out. Meanwhile, none of them have bothered reading any of the labels / package inserts for any of these drugs. Reading is also hard.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I hope you never stop posting here. You are endlessly entertaining.

Are you also the one who believes Big Pharma is…checks notes… harvesting the posts of moms on a small DC-based message board to decide the Big Pharma multi-billion dollar global advertising strategy? Do you also believe Meghan Markle is posting here? Do tell us more!

Actually no, I definitely don’t think that. Never posted anything like that.

Look, if you want to be unexceptional and cede your life over, go right ahead. At least do some basic research, even though it might require some reading. Though I have my doubts you would understand much of an FDA mandated label / package insert anyways given this response.

I’ll go back to not being fat and doing a lot of fun/epic things I couldn’t do when I was fat. I have no plans of ever living my life that way again. You ought to try it out some time. 🍻

Ooooh, I get it. You're mad you had to lose weight without a convenient tool that makes it much easier. I too am enjoying doing a lot of fun things, wearing cute clothes, and improvement in my health markers. Life is so much better now. The best part is it's been almost totally painless--no hunger, no restriction, no calorie counting. Just eating when I'm hungry and stopping when I'm full and the same exercise I did all along.

Since you know how much it sucks to be fat, why on earth would you discourage people from taking a medication that will make it so much easier not to be? There is no reason that makes sense other than that you are bitter that you had it harder than we do. You feel it takes away from your accomplishment to have all these formerly fat people running around who didn't earn it, who didn't suitably punish themselves enough. It just kills you that we get the same benefits and none of the suffering.

DP.

By taking a drug, you do NOT get all the same benefits of weight loss "the old fashioned way." Wow. I can't believe you're even suggesting that. Weightloss isn't just about weight or getting to a smaller size, it's about developing the confidence you can do really hard things, get really strong, overcome massive hurdles, and untangle how you got to be obese in the first place.

By all means, do what you want to lose weight. But do NOT make the comparison that they're the same and lead to the same benefits. That is absurd. There's also a hell of a lot of growth gained from "suffering" (I'd call it working hard towards a goal, instead of "suffering" as you call it).

Hahah I'm actually laughing. That's a new take. Ozempic is ROBBING fat people of an opportunity for growth and new heights of self-confidence! Their weight loss won't be as meaningful if they don't suffer--oops, I mean "work hard" for it!

Man, the cope is real.

You're either a troll, or a truly broken person projecting a mirror of yourself. Good luck. I hope you find peace and contentment in whatever.

DP.
Oh come on. You have to admit that was pretty funny.

+1. “Natural” weight loss isn’t unnecessary suffering. It’s an opportunity, actually!

Also the point above about these tools making us beholden to Big Pharma made me realize that, every time I go to the grocery, I’m beholden to Big Ag. I’m going to hunt & gather from now on.

I’m sure poster meant this comment to be sarcastic, but considering how much of our food is now engineered specifically to drive overeating, we might begin to make the connection that we are all ‘beholden’ (enslaved) to Big Food and Big Pharma alike in this societal battle against the overweight/obesity pandemic and the many associated lifestyle driven chronic health conditions we are medicating to the tune of billions.

It’s also noteworthy how much of big Pharma and big food are under the same umbrellas of multinational corporations.

Poison us with ‘food’ products, cure the resulting illnesses with pharmaceuticals. You gotta admit it would be a very clever grift.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll bet there's quite a bit of overlap between people who think that being skinny "naturally" is the only good body type and those who reject vaccines because only "natural immunity" is good.

Yup. Same dim energy. We already know that one of the angry fat-shamers is an anti-vaxxer.

Hi, I’m the poster than mentioned the ridiculous vaccine mandates in relation to people being shouted down. Of course, analogies are hard, so that went over a bunch of heads.

I went through the initial vaccination round and one booster. I have since stopped and won’t be bothering again given my risk profile. One I formed myself by turning my health around.

As for intersections, the group that isn’t willing to do the work to avoid Covid being a problem and scrambling for a passive solution in the form of endless vaccines is the same group that cedes their autonomy to big pharma to eliminate their obesity problem. Funny how that works out. Meanwhile, none of them have bothered reading any of the labels / package inserts for any of these drugs. Reading is also hard.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I hope you never stop posting here. You are endlessly entertaining.

Are you also the one who believes Big Pharma is…checks notes… harvesting the posts of moms on a small DC-based message board to decide the Big Pharma multi-billion dollar global advertising strategy? Do you also believe Meghan Markle is posting here? Do tell us more!

Actually no, I definitely don’t think that. Never posted anything like that.

Look, if you want to be unexceptional and cede your life over, go right ahead. At least do some basic research, even though it might require some reading. Though I have my doubts you would understand much of an FDA mandated label / package insert anyways given this response.

I’ll go back to not being fat and doing a lot of fun/epic things I couldn’t do when I was fat. I have no plans of ever living my life that way again. You ought to try it out some time. 🍻

Ooooh, I get it. You're mad you had to lose weight without a convenient tool that makes it much easier. I too am enjoying doing a lot of fun things, wearing cute clothes, and improvement in my health markers. Life is so much better now. The best part is it's been almost totally painless--no hunger, no restriction, no calorie counting. Just eating when I'm hungry and stopping when I'm full and the same exercise I did all along.

Since you know how much it sucks to be fat, why on earth would you discourage people from taking a medication that will make it so much easier not to be? There is no reason that makes sense other than that you are bitter that you had it harder than we do. You feel it takes away from your accomplishment to have all these formerly fat people running around who didn't earn it, who didn't suitably punish themselves enough. It just kills you that we get the same benefits and none of the suffering.

DP.

By taking a drug, you do NOT get all the same benefits of weight loss "the old fashioned way." Wow. I can't believe you're even suggesting that. Weightloss isn't just about weight or getting to a smaller size, it's about developing the confidence you can do really hard things, get really strong, overcome massive hurdles, and untangle how you got to be obese in the first place.

By all means, do what you want to lose weight. But do NOT make the comparison that they're the same and lead to the same benefits. That is absurd. There's also a hell of a lot of growth gained from "suffering" (I'd call it working hard towards a goal, instead of "suffering" as you call it).

Hahah I'm actually laughing. That's a new take. Ozempic is ROBBING fat people of an opportunity for growth and new heights of self-confidence! Their weight loss won't be as meaningful if they don't suffer--oops, I mean "work hard" for it!

Man, the cope is real.

You're either a troll, or a truly broken person projecting a mirror of yourself. Good luck. I hope you find peace and contentment in whatever.

DP.
Oh come on. You have to admit that was pretty funny.

+1. “Natural” weight loss isn’t unnecessary suffering. It’s an opportunity, actually!

Also the point above about these tools making us beholden to Big Pharma made me realize that, every time I go to the grocery, I’m beholden to Big Ag. I’m going to hunt & gather from now on.

I’m sure poster meant this comment to be sarcastic, but considering how much of our food is now engineered specifically to drive overeating, we might begin to make the connection that we are all ‘beholden’ (enslaved) to Big Food and Big Pharma alike in this societal battle against the overweight/obesity pandemic and the many associated lifestyle driven chronic health conditions we are medicating to the tune of billions.

Indeed. A cucumber conspiracy.

Or, don’t eat processed garbage in bags and boxes.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll bet there's quite a bit of overlap between people who think that being skinny "naturally" is the only good body type and those who reject vaccines because only "natural immunity" is good.

Yup. Same dim energy. We already know that one of the angry fat-shamers is an anti-vaxxer.

Hi, I’m the poster than mentioned the ridiculous vaccine mandates in relation to people being shouted down. Of course, analogies are hard, so that went over a bunch of heads.

I went through the initial vaccination round and one booster. I have since stopped and won’t be bothering again given my risk profile. One I formed myself by turning my health around.

As for intersections, the group that isn’t willing to do the work to avoid Covid being a problem and scrambling for a passive solution in the form of endless vaccines is the same group that cedes their autonomy to big pharma to eliminate their obesity problem. Funny how that works out. Meanwhile, none of them have bothered reading any of the labels / package inserts for any of these drugs. Reading is also hard.

🤣🤣🤣🤣

I hope you never stop posting here. You are endlessly entertaining.

Are you also the one who believes Big Pharma is…checks notes… harvesting the posts of moms on a small DC-based message board to decide the Big Pharma multi-billion dollar global advertising strategy? Do you also believe Meghan Markle is posting here? Do tell us more!

Actually no, I definitely don’t think that. Never posted anything like that.

Look, if you want to be unexceptional and cede your life over, go right ahead. At least do some basic research, even though it might require some reading. Though I have my doubts you would understand much of an FDA mandated label / package insert anyways given this response.

I’ll go back to not being fat and doing a lot of fun/epic things I couldn’t do when I was fat. I have no plans of ever living my life that way again. You ought to try it out some time. 🍻

Ooooh, I get it. You're mad you had to lose weight without a convenient tool that makes it much easier. I too am enjoying doing a lot of fun things, wearing cute clothes, and improvement in my health markers. Life is so much better now. The best part is it's been almost totally painless--no hunger, no restriction, no calorie counting. Just eating when I'm hungry and stopping when I'm full and the same exercise I did all along.

Since you know how much it sucks to be fat, why on earth would you discourage people from taking a medication that will make it so much easier not to be? There is no reason that makes sense other than that you are bitter that you had it harder than we do. You feel it takes away from your accomplishment to have all these formerly fat people running around who didn't earn it, who didn't suitably punish themselves enough. It just kills you that we get the same benefits and none of the suffering.

DP.

By taking a drug, you do NOT get all the same benefits of weight loss "the old fashioned way." Wow. I can't believe you're even suggesting that. Weightloss isn't just about weight or getting to a smaller size, it's about developing the confidence you can do really hard things, get really strong, overcome massive hurdles, and untangle how you got to be obese in the first place.

By all means, do what you want to lose weight. But do NOT make the comparison that they're the same and lead to the same benefits. That is absurd. There's also a hell of a lot of growth gained from "suffering" (I'd call it working hard towards a goal, instead of "suffering" as you call it).

Hahah I'm actually laughing. That's a new take. Ozempic is ROBBING fat people of an opportunity for growth and new heights of self-confidence! Their weight loss won't be as meaningful if they don't suffer--oops, I mean "work hard" for it!

Man, the cope is real.

You're either a troll, or a truly broken person projecting a mirror of yourself. Good luck. I hope you find peace and contentment in whatever.

DP.
Oh come on. You have to admit that was pretty funny.

+1. “Natural” weight loss isn’t unnecessary suffering. It’s an opportunity, actually!

Also the point above about these tools making us beholden to Big Pharma made me realize that, every time I go to the grocery, I’m beholden to Big Ag. I’m going to hunt & gather from now on.

I’m sure poster meant this comment to be sarcastic, but considering how much of our food is now engineered specifically to drive overeating, we might begin to make the connection that we are all ‘beholden’ (enslaved) to Big Food and Big Pharma alike in this societal battle against the overweight/obesity pandemic and the many associated lifestyle driven chronic health conditions we are medicating to the tune of billions.

+1. And don't get me started on Big Water. Once you start drinking it, you can never, ever stop.