FCPS new FLE curriculum

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we teaching FLE anyways? Shouldn't parents teach that stuff? Not everyone will agree on that stuff.

Because schools educate children and part of being educated is knowing about one's body and about other people's bodies as well.

Maybe they should teach them to spell instead, so many other things they can teach. Why FLE? Parents can teach that stuff.

Because many parents don't! My mom got pregnant at 15 because she did not know what sex was or how pregnancy happened! Her parents would not speak of it and it was not taught in her Catholic schools.

The existing sex ed is very comprehensive, factual and addressed all these things in a clinical, biological and mostly age appropriate manner. In my opinion, some of the topics were taught earlier than I would choose, and some were taught later than I would prefer, but most were fine.

These proposed changes are unnecessary and not based on biological accuracy or known standards of child development. They are political changes. The FLE curriculum is already VERY comprehensive. There is no need to make these changes, except to appease special interest groups that are mostly not parents of school aged childrren.

That is where I an many parents have issues.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Please everyone, contact your school board members and tell them you disagree with the proposed changes. We cannot allow this to happen!

They honestly, truly, do not care what parents think. That has been proven over and over again.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not believe for a second that the person slurring insults is a parent of a fcps student.

No adult talks like that.

Not all of us are 50+

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Anonymous wrote:I do not believe for a second that the person slurring insults is a parent of a fcps student.

No adult talks like that.

What slur?

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Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

Holy $hit. Thank you for posting this. I am absolutely appalled at what FCPS has become. "Assigned male/female at birth"??
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I do not believe for a second that the person slurring insults is a parent of a fcps student.

No adult talks like that.

Not all of us are 50+

And some people 50+ don’t mind calling out the ignorant POSs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read the text yourself parents, make your own decisions, and provide input, whether you support or disagree with these changes.

https://www.fcps.edu/node/33908?utm_campaign+=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

WOW. Are they saying that boys and girls would not be having separate FLE classes anymore? That they'll all be in the same class? That is absurd. No one will want to ask questions if they're in a coed class. What on earth is wrong with acknowledging basic biological differences?? I keep thinking this school system and SB can't be any more insane, and they just keep surprising me.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

Holy $hit. Thank you for posting this. I am absolutely appalled at what FCPS has become. "Assigned male/female at birth"??
DP

That language was actually introduced into the FCPS curriculum several years ago. Read the dissenting opinion recorded at the end of the committee report from back then. It’s quite eye-opening. https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/AYKU7H699ED9/$file/FLECAC%20Annual%20Recommendations%20Report%202017_18_051018g.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

Where does it do this? It absolutely does not say anything remotely like that here.

FCPS states in their own text that 4th through 8th grade FLE will Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

Their words.

Not mine or any other parent.

Do you have kids in fcps?

SWEETHEART. All they are saying is that the discussion of puberty will happen in mixed gender groups and not separate boys and girls groups.

DP. HONEY. I have no desire to have my kid learning about puberty in a group with kids of the opposite sex. No thanks. No problem with both groups learning about puberty in both sexes. However, it is the height of foolishness to combine girls and boys together for these lessons. Give both a little privacy to ask questions without judgment from the opposite sex. And btw, not the opposite "assigned at birth" garbage.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we teaching FLE anyways? Shouldn't parents teach that stuff? Not everyone will agree on that stuff.

Because schools educate children and part of being educated is knowing about one's body and about other people's bodies as well.

Maybe they should teach them to spell instead, so many other things they can teach. Why FLE? Parents can teach that stuff.

Because many parents don't! My mom got pregnant at 15 because she did not know what sex was or how pregnancy happened! Her parents would not speak of it and it was not taught in her Catholic schools.

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You want fewer unwanted pregnancies/abortions, you start with education.

Um, no one is arguing otherwise. Sex ed is very straightforward - and should remain so.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG I cannot believe how stupid some of you are.

This. This discussion is ridiculous. All of the proposed changes are still FACTUAL.

The only thing that I do not like is grouping the boys and girls together. I think there should be leeway and acceptance if a child does not want to go to the group of their assigned gender and I absolutely think both groups should be taught content for both the male and female reproductive systems. However I remember very clearly the discussion in my 4th grade group about this. Some children had some very, VERY wrong information about certain things or had some great questions. I fear the children will be too embarrassed to ask questions or fact check their concerns if they’re in a class with the opposite sex.

This is not just a worry - it's a certainty.
DP

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I would like to see the junior high and high school curriculum address the specific and critically important rolls that testosterone, incluing the puberty surge, plays in male human developmemt, not just for sexual development, but brain/frontal lobe maturity, skeletal systems, muscular systems, cardiovascular health, neurological functions, disease prevention, etc in the male bodies born with XY chromosones.

I would also like the fcps fle to add lssons in the vital importance of estrogen and XY female puperty hormone surges play in the critical health and human development of biological females, beyond sexual maturity, to include physiological, skeletal, endocrine, cardovascular, endocrine, muscular and other body systems.

Finally, fcps middle school and high school sex ed curriculum should include comprehensive, factual, medicaand biological information on risks to overall physical, emotional and cognitive health, and well as accelerated risks of certain diseases if these critical hormones or lacking, or if the female body ingests male testosterone hormones, or the male body ingests female estrogen hormones.

There also needs to be clinical discussion about the known risks, including permanent sterilization and elevated cancer risks, from the use of Lupron in not just prepubescent but also teen and adult bodies. The risks of Luorin need to provide an accurate balance to the incorrect social media and pop culture incorrect propaganda that this medicine is low risk and a completely reversible on/off switch. This discussion needs to be similar to the anti nicotine information used in schools duing the 80s-2000s.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we teaching FLE anyways? Shouldn't parents teach that stuff? Not everyone will agree on that stuff.

Because schools educate children and part of being educated is knowing about one's body and about other people's bodies as well.

Maybe they should teach them to spell instead, so many other things they can teach. Why FLE? Parents can teach that stuff.

Because many parents don't! My mom got pregnant at 15 because she did not know what sex was or how pregnancy happened! Her parents would not speak of it and it was not taught in her Catholic schools.

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You want fewer unwanted pregnancies/abortions, you start with education.

The fle educationnis already comprehensive and addresses all of the prgnancy and STD risks.

So then why do the PPs above want to get rid of it?

THEY DON'T. Now who's lying?
DP

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I think if FCPS is incorporating trangendered instruction in the FLE curriculum, them the documented and permanent risks of cross sex hormones and especially Lupron/puberty blockers definitely need to be covered as well. Surgical risks need to be covered as well.

The information on tiktok and reddit is so misleading.

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Anonymous wrote:We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

GOOD. Let these children get the education they need despite their idiot ignorant parents.

DP. Are you the poster who said, "who are you to decide what's appropriate for my child? NOBODY, that's who you are." Maybe take your own advice for once.