FCPS new FLE curriculum

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

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Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

Are you kidding?

10th grade boys watch a 10 minute l9ng video of a naked adult man taking a shower then giving himself a testicular exam in the shower, with the camera focused primarily on his hands, penis and scrotum.

Boys and girls need to be separated for lessons such as this.

They are proposing to drop this lesson.

DP. Why? It is very instructive for boys to see how to perform a testicular exam. Girls should not have to watch that.

What if they want to give their partner one or vice versa?

[Anonymous]

In Fairfax County Public Schools the sex ed program is referred to as FLE

https://www.fcps.edu/node/31710

Stop derailing this thread by continually posting arguments that are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:Most people are talking about HG&D when they say FLE, fyi. The issue is the HG&D (aka sex ed) lessons are now possibly going to be taught in combined gender classes starting next year. But we all refer to these sex ed lessons as “FLE,” even though technically FLE includes more. No one is talking about internet safety or drug lessons.

OK. But even in that one unit (of many) they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence, etc. Very little time spent on physical body parts.

My whole point was that, in the entire FLE/HG&D curriculum, very little time is actually spent on "biological" topics. So PP saying "keep it all biological" doesn't make sense.

You don't know what you are talking about.

None of the 4th through 6th grade fle curriculum talks about those things.

The elementary FLE is all about puberty body changes, not birth control and STDs.

6th grade teacher here.
Lesson 1 and 2 is body and puberty changes
Lesson 3 - Human Reproduction and Childbirth
Lesson 4- STDS
Lesson 5- Abstinence and Making Good Choices in Sticky Situations

Thank you for the correction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In Fairfax County Public Schools the sex ed program is referred to as FLE

https://www.fcps.edu/node/31710

Stop derailing this thread by continually posting arguments that are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

That is part of FLE in FCPS.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/family-life-education-fle

Fairfax County Public Schools' (FCPS) Family Life Education (FLE) curriculum is taught in grades K-12. Lessons include age-appropriate instruction in

-family living and community relationships
-abstinence education
-the value of postponing sexual activity
-the benefits of adoption as a positive choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy
-human sexuality and human reproduction.

Instruction promotes parental involvement, fosters positive self-concepts, and provides coping mechanisms for dealing with peer pressure and the stresses related to the students' developmental stages and abilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Fairfax County Public Schools the sex ed program is referred to as FLE

https://www.fcps.edu/node/31710

Stop derailing this thread by continually posting arguments that are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

That is part of FLE in FCPS.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/family-life-education-fle

Fairfax County Public Schools' (FCPS) Family Life Education (FLE) curriculum is taught in grades K-12. Lessons include age-appropriate instruction in

-family living and community relationships
-abstinence education
-the value of postponing sexual activity
-the benefits of adoption as a positive choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy
-human sexuality and human reproduction.

Instruction promotes parental involvement, fosters positive self-concepts, and provides coping mechanisms for dealing with peer pressure and the stresses related to the students' developmental stages and abilities.

Just stop.

It is crystal clear to everyone with children in FCPS that the class being discussed is called FLE in all of FCPS emails and opt out forms.

You are angry that the topic is even being discussed, so you are trying to disrupt discussion by arguing over irrelevant details that have nothing to do with the topic.

Take your trolling back to the politics forum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Fairfax County Public Schools the sex ed program is referred to as FLE

https://www.fcps.edu/node/31710

Stop derailing this thread by continually posting arguments that are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

That is part of FLE in FCPS.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/family-life-education-fle

Fairfax County Public Schools' (FCPS) Family Life Education (FLE) curriculum is taught in grades K-12. Lessons include age-appropriate instruction in

-family living and community relationships
-abstinence education
-the value of postponing sexual activity
-the benefits of adoption as a positive choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy
-human sexuality and human reproduction.

Instruction promotes parental involvement, fosters positive self-concepts, and provides coping mechanisms for dealing with peer pressure and the stresses related to the students' developmental stages and abilities.

Just stop.

It is crystal clear to everyone with children in FCPS that the class being discussed is called FLE in all of FCPS emails and opt out forms.

You are angry that the topic is even being discussed, so you are trying to disrupt discussion by arguing over irrelevant details that have nothing to do with the topic.

Take your trolling back to the politics forum.

No, I was responding to an ignorant post about FLE and then someone has been fixated on using the term incorrectly. I'm not the one who keeps posting about it - I just keep responding.

Just because there aren't opt-out forms for the non-controversial parts of FLE doesn't mean there aren't other parts of FLE. You can continue to argue but there absolutely is more to FLE than 1-2 days of body part discussion/year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Fairfax County Public Schools the sex ed program is referred to as FLE

https://www.fcps.edu/node/31710

Stop derailing this thread by continually posting arguments that are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

That is part of FLE in FCPS.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/family-life-education-fle

Fairfax County Public Schools' (FCPS) Family Life Education (FLE) curriculum is taught in grades K-12. Lessons include age-appropriate instruction in

-family living and community relationships
-abstinence education
-the value of postponing sexual activity
-the benefits of adoption as a positive choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy
-human sexuality and human reproduction.

Instruction promotes parental involvement, fosters positive self-concepts, and provides coping mechanisms for dealing with peer pressure and the stresses related to the students' developmental stages and abilities.

Just stop.

It is crystal clear to everyone with children in FCPS that the class being discussed is called FLE in all of FCPS emails and opt out forms.

You are angry that the topic is even being discussed, so you are trying to disrupt discussion by arguing over irrelevant details that have nothing to do with the topic.

Take your trolling back to the politics forum.

No, I was responding to an ignorant post about FLE and then someone has been fixated on using the term incorrectly. I'm not the one who keeps posting about it - I just keep responding.

Just because there aren't opt-out forms for the non-controversial parts of FLE doesn't mean there aren't other parts of FLE. You can continue to argue but there absolutely is more to FLE than 1-2 days of body part discussion/year.

You are trolling and derailing the thread. Please stop.

You know what this discussion is about.

Trying to argue over semantics and insisting on continually posting about things that have ZERO to do with the discussion about the changes to FLE in FCPS announced this week of making elementary FLE coed and removing scientifically accurate language of male/female to replace it with the non accurate, social political terminology "assigned at birth" and related issues is pure trolling.

If you want to discuss the statewide FLE standards of drug use, social relationships, family structures, etc, please start your own thread.

Stop trolling this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Fairfax County Public Schools the sex ed program is referred to as FLE

https://www.fcps.edu/node/31710

Stop derailing this thread by continually posting arguments that are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

That is part of FLE in FCPS.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/family-life-education-fle

Fairfax County Public Schools' (FCPS) Family Life Education (FLE) curriculum is taught in grades K-12. Lessons include age-appropriate instruction in

-family living and community relationships
-abstinence education
-the value of postponing sexual activity
-the benefits of adoption as a positive choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy
-human sexuality and human reproduction.

Instruction promotes parental involvement, fosters positive self-concepts, and provides coping mechanisms for dealing with peer pressure and the stresses related to the students' developmental stages and abilities.

Just stop.

It is crystal clear to everyone with children in FCPS that the class being discussed is called FLE in all of FCPS emails and opt out forms.

You are angry that the topic is even being discussed, so you are trying to disrupt discussion by arguing over irrelevant details that have nothing to do with the topic.

Take your trolling back to the politics forum.

Can you please stop telling us that we don't belong here. Some parents do not do deep dives into the curriculum like you do. Some of us have lives, are not insane, etc.... but yes, we have kids in FCPS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Fairfax County Public Schools the sex ed program is referred to as FLE

https://www.fcps.edu/node/31710

Stop derailing this thread by continually posting arguments that are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

That is part of FLE in FCPS.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/family-life-education-fle

Fairfax County Public Schools' (FCPS) Family Life Education (FLE) curriculum is taught in grades K-12. Lessons include age-appropriate instruction in

-family living and community relationships
-abstinence education
-the value of postponing sexual activity
-the benefits of adoption as a positive choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy
-human sexuality and human reproduction.

Instruction promotes parental involvement, fosters positive self-concepts, and provides coping mechanisms for dealing with peer pressure and the stresses related to the students' developmental stages and abilities.

Just stop.

It is crystal clear to everyone with children in FCPS that the class being discussed is called FLE in all of FCPS emails and opt out forms.

You are angry that the topic is even being discussed, so you are trying to disrupt discussion by arguing over irrelevant details that have nothing to do with the topic.

Take your trolling back to the politics forum.

No, I was responding to an ignorant post about FLE and then someone has been fixated on using the term incorrectly. I'm not the one who keeps posting about it - I just keep responding.

Just because there aren't opt-out forms for the non-controversial parts of FLE doesn't mean there aren't other parts of FLE. You can continue to argue but there absolutely is more to FLE than 1-2 days of body part discussion/year.

You are trolling and derailing the thread. Please stop.

You know what this discussion is about.

Trying to argue over semantics and insisting on continually posting about things that have ZERO to do with the discussion about the changes to FLE in FCPS announced this week of making elementary FLE coed and removing scientifically accurate language of male/female to replace it with the non accurate, social political terminology "assigned at birth" and related issues is pure trolling.

If you want to discuss the statewide FLE standards of drug use, social relationships, family structures, etc, please start your own thread.

Stop trolling this one.

LADY YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE THE TROLL HERE.

[Anonymous]

It's pretty amazing that the troll on this post who is outraged about a change from "male" to "assigned male at birth" is calling everyone else a troll!! CRAZY TROLL LADY - most of us are not upset about that part, we are upset about combining genders. If you're going to troll, at least be accurate about who the majority of posters are.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

Are you kidding?

10th grade boys watch a 10 minute l9ng video of a naked adult man taking a shower then giving himself a testicular exam in the shower, with the camera focused primarily on his hands, penis and scrotum.

Boys and girls need to be separated for lessons such as this.

They are proposing to drop this lesson.

DP. Why? It is very instructive for boys to see how to perform a testicular exam. Girls should not have to watch that.

I'm 47, biological female, and watching that would feel disgusting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

Are you kidding?

10th grade boys watch a 10 minute l9ng video of a naked adult man taking a shower then giving himself a testicular exam in the shower, with the camera focused primarily on his hands, penis and scrotum.

Boys and girls need to be separated for lessons such as this.

They are proposing to drop this lesson.

DP. Why? It is very instructive for boys to see how to perform a testicular exam. Girls should not have to watch that.

I'm 47, biological female, and watching that would feel disgusting.

I agree.

Fcps is asking minors and teens to do things that they would never put up with in their own lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Fairfax County Public Schools the sex ed program is referred to as FLE

https://www.fcps.edu/node/31710

Stop derailing this thread by continually posting arguments that are completely irrelevant to this discussion.

That is part of FLE in FCPS.
https://www.fcps.edu/academics/academic-overview/family-life-education-fle

Fairfax County Public Schools' (FCPS) Family Life Education (FLE) curriculum is taught in grades K-12. Lessons include age-appropriate instruction in

-family living and community relationships
-abstinence education
-the value of postponing sexual activity
-the benefits of adoption as a positive choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy
-human sexuality and human reproduction.

Instruction promotes parental involvement, fosters positive self-concepts, and provides coping mechanisms for dealing with peer pressure and the stresses related to the students' developmental stages and abilities.

Just stop.

It is crystal clear to everyone with children in FCPS that the class being discussed is called FLE in all of FCPS emails and opt out forms.

You are angry that the topic is even being discussed, so you are trying to disrupt discussion by arguing over irrelevant details that have nothing to do with the topic.

Take your trolling back to the politics forum.

No, I was responding to an ignorant post about FLE and then someone has been fixated on using the term incorrectly. I'm not the one who keeps posting about it - I just keep responding.

Just because there aren't opt-out forms for the non-controversial parts of FLE doesn't mean there aren't other parts of FLE. You can continue to argue but there absolutely is more to FLE than 1-2 days of body part discussion/year.

You are trolling and derailing the thread. Please stop.

You know what this discussion is about.

Trying to argue over semantics and insisting on continually posting about things that have ZERO to do with the discussion about the changes to FLE in FCPS announced this week of making elementary FLE coed and removing scientifically accurate language of male/female to replace it with the non accurate, social political terminology "assigned at birth" and related issues is pure trolling.

If you want to discuss the statewide FLE standards of drug use, social relationships, family structures, etc, please start your own thread.

Stop trolling this one.

OMG. You stop. I was simply pointing out that FLE is more than the 1-2 days of physical discussion. WHICH IS 100% TRUE.

YOU have been fixated on (incorrect) semantics and won't let it drop.

[Anonymous]

"Sex ASSIGNED at birth" implies sex is chosen at birth. But biological sex is genetic, nobody picks it. Your DNA is either XX, XY, or intersex.

"Assigned AT BIRTH" further implies that a baby's biological sex is not biologically established prior to birth, which is false. I knew my baby's biological sex on a sonogram at about 20 weeks - prior to birth.

Obviously, people choose to live and identify as different genders as children or adults, but that should not change our belief system about DNA and biology.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

Are you kidding?

10th grade boys watch a 10 minute l9ng video of a naked adult man taking a shower then giving himself a testicular exam in the shower, with the camera focused primarily on his hands, penis and scrotum.

Boys and girls need to be separated for lessons such as this.

They are proposing to drop this lesson.

DP. Why? It is very instructive for boys to see how to perform a testicular exam. Girls should not have to watch that.

I'm 47, biological female, and watching that would feel disgusting.

I agree.

Fcps is asking minors and teens to do things that they would never put up with in their own lives.

No, they aren't asking anyone to watch the video - they are recommending to DROP the video.