FCPS new FLE curriculum

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Thanks to a previous poster who posted that link - I didn't know about these suggested revisions.

If these pass, will it change for next year at the earliest?

I believe it starts next year.

The school board tried to pass these changes or similar changes over the summer when parents were not paying attention.

But there was an outcry from the parents who were paying attention, so it was pushed back to now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I didn't notice any changes and I went to the website to look - the boys and girls are separated for portions of it.

What are the changes? We are new to FCPS.

I did see that "abstinence only" is the only form of STD prevention - didn't care for that.

You are looking at the old policy.

Boys and girls are now combined for the entirety of the instruction.

The only kids who are instructed in separated boy/girl classes are a very small and specific category of special education students.

Most fcps will not fall under that specific category of special education.

But this isn't happening now, right? Not until next school year?

[Anonymous]

We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

WHAT?! No way....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

Where does it do this? It absolutely does not say anything remotely like that here.

FCPS states in their own text that 4th through 8th grade FLE will Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

Their words.

Not mine or any other parent.

Do you have kids in fcps?

SWEETHEART. All they are saying is that the discussion of puberty will happen in mixed gender groups and not separate boys and girls groups.

No, they are now going to use the terms assigned male and assigned female at birth instead of boys and girls. Why? That will lead to a discussion on what is an assigned male at birth. Not appropriate for discussion at all.

That's different from not talking about puberty. And who are you to decide what's appropriate for my child? NOBODY, that's who you are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I didn't notice any changes and I went to the website to look - the boys and girls are separated for portions of it.

What are the changes? We are new to FCPS.

I did see that "abstinence only" is the only form of STD prevention - didn't care for that.

You are looking at the old policy.

Boys and girls are now combined for the entirety of the instruction.

The only kids who are instructed in separated boy/girl classes are a very small and specific category of special education students.

Most fcps will not fall under that specific category of special education.

But this isn't happening now, right? Not until next school year?

I cannot imagine it would start this year. FLE occurs in December.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

GOOD. Let these children get the education they need despite their idiot ignorant parents.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

Where does it do this? It absolutely does not say anything remotely like that here.

FCPS states in their own text that 4th through 8th grade FLE will Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

Their words.

Not mine or any other parent.

Do you have kids in fcps?

Page number and paragraph number please.

There’s no page number as it’s all on one big page on the website. I suggest you read the whole page. It’s near the top.

So you didn't read the PDF. You are basing this on the website. READ THE CURRICULUM CHANGES PDF before you continue spouting off your bullshit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

I think you have reading comprehension issues. I read the entire thing and literally the only changes in many places was from "male" to "assigned male at birth". I don't know why this is such a big issue to you unless you have a trans child, which I highly doubt you do. The only change is that your precious little snowflake will be learning about the changes that a member of the opposite sex goes through during puberty and apparently you don't want that.

DP. The FLE curriculum previously taught puberty of both sexes to both sexes. But now that's not inclusive, so they will be generally teaching puberty to all students together, without respect to gender or sex.

Then.Opt.Out.

The FLE is for kids in public school who are learning things that a) they may not get at home, and b) concerns health, safety, sex, sexuality and a number of other topics that -while uncomfortable for you- the kids will hear and experience in their life and in school. It is not meant to be tailored or cut down to the lowest common denominators of fear, prudishness or bigotry. If you don't like it, opt out and/or discuss the lessons with your kid at home and convey your beliefs. Or go private.

FLE should be opt in, not opt out.

Not in public school. No.

Why??? FLE should be OPT-IN

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

WHAT?! No way....

Yes. I do not believe fcps recorded the session.

But the parent explicitly asked multiple times in a very respectful and direct way.

Dr. Reid gave an equally clear ans direct response.

So it appears that even if you opt your kid out of the fle lesson, fcps will opt your child back in if the child requests , if the lesson deals with transgenderism, and no parent notification will occur.

It was a very clear and respectful back and forth between the two.

There is a chance that Dr. Reid misspoke about fcps policy, but her answer made it appear that she was very certain about this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

GOOD. Let these children get the education they need despite their idiot ignorant parents.

Or a good way to get a lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

I think you have reading comprehension issues. I read the entire thing and literally the only changes in many places was from "male" to "assigned male at birth". I don't know why this is such a big issue to you unless you have a trans child, which I highly doubt you do. The only change is that your precious little snowflake will be learning about the changes that a member of the opposite sex goes through during puberty and apparently you don't want that.

DP. The FLE curriculum previously taught puberty of both sexes to both sexes. But now that's not inclusive, so they will be generally teaching puberty to all students together, without respect to gender or sex.

Then.Opt.Out.

The FLE is for kids in public school who are learning things that a) they may not get at home, and b) concerns health, safety, sex, sexuality and a number of other topics that -while uncomfortable for you- the kids will hear and experience in their life and in school. It is not meant to be tailored or cut down to the lowest common denominators of fear, prudishness or bigotry. If you don't like it, opt out and/or discuss the lessons with your kid at home and convey your beliefs. Or go private.

FLE should be opt in, not opt out.

Not in public school. No.

Why??? FLE should be OPT-IN

Your spawn need it the most.

[Anonymous]

I do not believe for a second that the person slurring insults is a parent of a fcps student.

No adult talks like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

Hopefully FCPS is next up on the state DOE's target list

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are they surveying parents about the changes?

They'll probably do what they always do - send out a ridiculously worded survey and then disregard all the feedback so they can push through whatever their latest social justice garbage is. Honestly, I don't know why they bother with their "surveys" in the first place.