FCPS new FLE curriculum

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Anonymous wrote:I do not believe for a second that the person slurring insults is a parent of a fcps student.

No adult talks like that.

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Report the troll.

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Anonymous wrote:I do not believe for a second that the person slurring insults is a parent of a fcps student.

No adult talks like that.

Not all of us are 50+

And some people 50+ don’t mind calling out the ignorant POSs.

+ a million

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Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

I think you have reading comprehension issues. I read the entire thing and literally the only changes in many places was from "male" to "assigned male at birth". I don't know why this is such a big issue to you unless you have a trans child, which I highly doubt you do. The only change is that your precious little snowflake will be learning about the changes that a member of the opposite sex goes through during puberty and apparently you don't want that.

DP. The FLE curriculum previously taught puberty of both sexes to both sexes. But now that's not inclusive, so they will be generally teaching puberty to all students together, without respect to gender or sex.

Then.Opt.Out.

The FLE is for kids in public school who are learning things that a) they may not get at home, and b) concerns health, safety, sex, sexuality and a number of other topics that -while uncomfortable for you- the kids will hear and experience in their life and in school. It is not meant to be tailored or cut down to the lowest common denominators of fear, prudishness or bigotry. If you don't like it, opt out and/or discuss the lessons with your kid at home and convey your beliefs. Or go private.

FLE should be opt in, not opt out.

Not in public school. No.

Why??? FLE should be OPT-IN

Your spawn need it the most.

I'm sorry for your spawn, troll

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

Holy $hit. Thank you for posting this. I am absolutely appalled at what FCPS has become. "Assigned male/female at birth"??
DP

That language was actually introduced into the FCPS curriculum several years ago. Read the dissenting opinion recorded at the end of the committee report from back then. It’s quite eye-opening. https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/AYKU7H699ED9/$file/FLECAC%20Annual%20Recommendations%20Report%202017_18_051018g.pdf

Definitely eye-opening. Who are the people on this advisory board? At least there is *someone* with some common sense pushing back.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

Holy $hit. Thank you for posting this. I am absolutely appalled at what FCPS has become. "Assigned male/female at birth"??
DP

That language was actually introduced into the FCPS curriculum several years ago. Read the dissenting opinion recorded at the end of the committee report from back then. It’s quite eye-opening. https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/AYKU7H699ED9/$file/FLECAC%20Annual%20Recommendations%20Report%202017_18_051018g.pdf

Definitely eye-opening. Who are the people on this advisory board? At least there is *someone* with some common sense pushing back.

They did, but clearly they were sidelined.

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Anonymous wrote:We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

And that, my friends, is how we have Governor Youngkin.

Thankfully so. [/

Can we somehow get him involved?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we teaching FLE anyways? Shouldn't parents teach that stuff? Not everyone will agree on that stuff.

Because schools educate children and part of being educated is knowing about one's body and about other people's bodies as well.

Maybe they should teach them to spell instead, so many other things they can teach. Why FLE? Parents can teach that stuff.

Because many parents don't! My mom got pregnant at 15 because she did not know what sex was or how pregnancy happened! Her parents would not speak of it and it was not taught in her Catholic schools.

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You want fewer unwanted pregnancies/abortions, you start with education.

The fle educationnis already comprehensive and addresses all of the prgnancy and STD risks.

So then why do the PPs above want to get rid of it?

THEY DON'T. Now who's lying?
DP

“ Why are we teaching FLE anyways? ”
“ Maybe they should teach them to spell instead”

You are a lazy troll.

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Anonymous wrote:OMG I cannot believe how stupid some of you are.

This. This discussion is ridiculous. All of the proposed changes are still FACTUAL.

The only thing that I do not like is grouping the boys and girls together. I think there should be leeway and acceptance if a child does not want to go to the group of their assigned gender and I absolutely think both groups should be taught content for both the male and female reproductive systems. However I remember very clearly the discussion in my 4th grade group about this. Some children had some very, VERY wrong information about certain things or had some great questions. I fear the children will be too embarrassed to ask questions or fact check their concerns if they’re in a class with the opposite sex.

This is not just a worry - it's a certainty.
DP

We will opt out if genders are combined.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are we teaching FLE anyways? Shouldn't parents teach that stuff? Not everyone will agree on that stuff.

Because schools educate children and part of being educated is knowing about one's body and about other people's bodies as well.

Maybe they should teach them to spell instead, so many other things they can teach. Why FLE? Parents can teach that stuff.

Because many parents don't! My mom got pregnant at 15 because she did not know what sex was or how pregnancy happened! Her parents would not speak of it and it was not taught in her Catholic schools.

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You want fewer unwanted pregnancies/abortions, you start with education.

Um, no one is arguing otherwise. Sex ed is very straightforward - and should remain so.

Tell that to the PPs above.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OMG I cannot believe how stupid some of you are.

This. This discussion is ridiculous. All of the proposed changes are still FACTUAL.

The only thing that I do not like is grouping the boys and girls together. I think there should be leeway and acceptance if a child does not want to go to the group of their assigned gender and I absolutely think both groups should be taught content for both the male and female reproductive systems. However I remember very clearly the discussion in my 4th grade group about this. Some children had some very, VERY wrong information about certain things or had some great questions. I fear the children will be too embarrassed to ask questions or fact check their concerns if they’re in a class with the opposite sex.

This is not just a worry - it's a certainty.
DP

We will opt out if genders are combined.

Absolutely, we will too. Which is a shame because I think there is value in FLE (at least, before these proposed changes).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

GOOD. Let these children get the education they need despite their idiot ignorant parents.

x1 billion

Already too much stupid in VA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

GOOD. Let these children get the education they need despite their idiot ignorant parents.

x1 billion

Already too much stupid in VA.

If you were to move, that might bring the stupidity quotient down a tad. Give it some thought.
DP

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I assume it was deleted because there was a lot of misinformation.

This is the truth. it was all clickbait lies.

It was mostly the exact text of the proposed changes, plus links to the actual FCPS announcement and proposals.

The last post I saw was someone complaining that this information was shared by fcps 2 weeks before the election. Perhaps someone from the politics forum got the thread shut down over possibilityof it becoming an election issue? Other than that twist, most of it was fairly tame factual discussion between actual fcps parents with kids in school.

It was not. The OP said a bunch of lies.

Not one lie was told in that thread.

Discussion one does not agree with does jot constitute a lie. It just means there is disagreement.

The original text was posted.

I REPEAT: Oh you mean the part where you said "they are going to remove all discussion of male and female from the conversation about puberty and talk about how boys and girls get their periods"? That part? THAT WAS A LIE.

I beg to disagree.

The changes propose to teach elementary kids this (from fcps)

Grades 4-6
To support gender combined instruction, the following changes to objectives and descriptive statements are recommended:

Remove the phrase “gender separate” from all Human Growth and Development objectives in grades 4-8.

Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

The text of the new changes replaces the terms "girls" and "boys" by "assigned male or female at birth." Such as:

"Typical changes for individuals assigned male at birth will include increased shoulder width, erections, and nocturnal emissions. Typical changes for individuals assigned female at birth will include breast development, widening of the hips, and menstruation. "

These are significant changes from what had been a very factually correct, clinical and biologically accurate description for male puberty and female puberty, which are very distinct and different bioogical processes, that occur based off your chromosones and natural human development, and not determined by some random "assigned gender"

In doing so, the curriculum changes remove the distinct and natural biological changes that happen separately and differently to the male and female bodies.

Where does it do this? It absolutely does not say anything remotely like that here.

FCPS states in their own text that 4th through 8th grade FLE will Remove language that indicated instruction in puberty lessons that would currently only happen for girls or boys
Update language to be more inclusive

Their words.

Not mine or any other parent.

Do you have kids in fcps?

SWEETHEART. All they are saying is that the discussion of puberty will happen in mixed gender groups and not separate boys and girls groups.

DP. HONEY. I have no desire to have my kid learning about puberty in a group with kids of the opposite sex. No thanks. No problem with both groups learning about puberty in both sexes. However, it is the height of foolishness to combine girls and boys together for these lessons. Give both a little privacy to ask questions without judgment from the opposite sex. And btw, not the opposite "assigned at birth" garbage.

Wait, I thought the DCUM hive mind decided that kids should just ask their parents about this stuff?

Transgenderism is real. The Bible is fiction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We attended Superintendent Reid's community engagement last week.

A parent specifically asked a question about opting their middle school kid out of FLE curriculum that dealt with transgender topics.

She directly asked Reid if she opted her child out of FLE, and the child asked a teacher to let them attend the transgendered instruction, would the child be allowed to attend the class even though the parent opted them out, and if the parent would be notified.

Superintendent Reid's response was that if the topic was related to transgender issues, that yes, the child could opt themselves back in, and no, the parent would not be notified.

The parent pressed Dr. Reid to confirm that she understood the question.

Dr. Reid very directly said the child opting themselves back into transgendered fle lessons would be allowed with no parent notification, due to acceptance and safe spaces.

GOOD. Let these children get the education they need despite their idiot ignorant parents.

x1 billion

Already too much stupid in VA.

If you were to move, that might bring the stupidity quotient down a tad. Give it some thought.
DP

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OMG I cannot believe how stupid some of you are.

This. This discussion is ridiculous. All of the proposed changes are still FACTUAL.

The only thing that I do not like is grouping the boys and girls together. I think there should be leeway and acceptance if a child does not want to go to the group of their assigned gender and I absolutely think both groups should be taught content for both the male and female reproductive systems. However I remember very clearly the discussion in my 4th grade group about this. Some children had some very, VERY wrong information about certain things or had some great questions. I fear the children will be too embarrassed to ask questions or fact check their concerns if they’re in a class with the opposite sex.

This is not just a worry - it's a certainty.
DP

We will opt out if genders are combined.

Absolutely, we will too. Which is a shame because I think there is value in FLE (at least, before these proposed changes).

+1 at least we have this one year