Apple river tubing killing

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I’m on the jury he goes home to his family a vindicated man.

Shame on those teens. Shame on their parents.

Kind of harsh to blame the parents. Good parents can have bad teens. Bad parents can have good teens. Vice versa. I am NOT underestimating the importance of good parenting, however, not everything is so clear-cut.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:52 years old with no prior run-ins with the law.

Carrying a 3 inch blade pocket knife.

They did something to enrage this man.

Right or wrong, we all might be safer if this man is acquitted because people will learn to fear and respect one another.

Reminds me of an incident within the last 2 years where a young man went to a rally with an assault rifle and killed at least one person in self defense. He was acquitted of all charges.

Time to wake up and assume that everyone is carrying.

Nope, we’ll all be safer when MAH GUN SELF-DEFENSE, guns-for-Valentine’s Day types who are literally spoiling for a fight learn that they don’t get to be judge and jury of what is self-defense. Maybe one or two stab wounds to defend himself and scare them off would be justifiable. Literally, actually gutting them and then fleeing the scene? He will be convicted, and he will serve jail time. There will be some leniency, and the full picture will come out that he wasn’t 100% an instigator/the kids weren’t 100% innocent, but he will not be acquitted.

Agree

[Anonymous]

Here is the most detailed chain of events that day I’ve seen yet.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nicolae-miu-gun-loving-maga-fan-held-in-connection-with-tubing-murder-cops-say

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

God gave him two legs with which to protect himself by walking away. When people start coming toward you and saying things you don’t like, you can leave and rejoin your group. But this guy was spoiling for “self-defense.” He was spoiling for a fight. Hope he enjoyed gutting those people; his few minutes of giving into his desire for vengeance have now cost him essentially the rest of his life. Even if he doesn’t end up behind bars for the maximum amount of time, he will be a convicted murderer. Guilty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here is the most detailed chain of events that day I’ve seen yet.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nicolae-miu-gun-loving-maga-fan-held-in-connection-with-tubing-murder-cops-say

Very interesting update, a statement from someone who wasn’t part of the original group of teens:
“There was an older man with them, so we stopped our tubes,” Mattison recalled. “The guys went over to see what was going on and then a few of my girlfriends and I also went over. They explained that this older guy was asking these younger boys if they knew younger women or could get him the numbers of some younger women. It was creepy.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

God gave him two legs with which to protect himself by walking away. When people start coming toward you and saying things you don’t like, you can leave and rejoin your group. But this guy was spoiling for “self-defense.” He was spoiling for a fight. Hope he enjoyed gutting those people; his few minutes of giving into his desire for vengeance have now cost him essentially the rest of his life. Even if he doesn’t end up behind bars for the maximum amount of time, he will be a convicted murderer. Guilty.

From what I read, they falsely accused him and he was being shoved back into the water. Why didn't the group move away?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

That Asian woman tried to walk away and the perps came back for more.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

God gave him two legs with which to protect himself by walking away. When people start coming toward you and saying things you don’t like, you can leave and rejoin your group. But this guy was spoiling for “self-defense.” He was spoiling for a fight. Hope he enjoyed gutting those people; his few minutes of giving into his desire for vengeance have now cost him essentially the rest of his life. Even if he doesn’t end up behind bars for the maximum amount of time, he will be a convicted murderer. Guilty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

God gave him two legs with which to protect himself by walking away. When people start coming toward you and saying things you don’t like, you can leave and rejoin your group. But this guy was spoiling for “self-defense.” He was spoiling for a fight. Hope he enjoyed gutting those people; his few minutes of giving into his desire for vengeance have now cost him essentially the rest of his life. Even if he doesn’t end up behind bars for the maximum amount of time, he will be a convicted murderer. Guilty.

That Asian woman tried to walk away and the perps came back for more. You assume that they would let him walk away.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Mui is a religious nut, gun-toating, Trump-loving lunatic. I think when more details about this come out he will not come out looking innocent. As someone has pointed out before, he should have walked away.

Not surprising at all. Even Fox News is putting him on blast....

The posts of Nicolae Miu, 52, a mechanical engineer from Prior Lake, Minnesota, largely consist of memes that reflect a love of guns and belief in self-defense, conservative political views, deeply held religious beliefs as well as a love for animals and boating.

https://www.fox9.com/news/apple-river-stabbing-suspect-who-is-nicolae-miu

Wow, what horrible traits. Religion, loves animals and boating, believes people should be able to protect themselves, believes in constitutional rights.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a 51 year old woman and no bleeping way am I turning my back exposing myself to serious injury while under active attack by a group of drunken hostile teenagers.

Anyone suggesting this is a wise or recommended course of action is an idiot. Full stop.

As a former rural red state America prosecutor, I’m sickened at the charges leveled against this man. They aren’t supported by the known evidence. The state is trying to coerce him into a guilty plea to lesser charges rather than grapple with the complexity and gray in the case and enduring the ire of some of the public - as any truly good prosecutor following the mandate to ‘seek justice, not merely convictions’ should expect to every day of his or her career.

The force of nature that is a parent with a dead kid drives far too many prosecutors to doggedly pursue wrongful convictions in order to quiet the outraged victim family. Sadly in some cases, victims are victims of their own idiocy first and foremost.

These kids had ZERO reason to interact with this guy. If they didn’t like the looks of him they could have floated out of his reach, easily. Surrounding him, yelling insults and accusations, touching him - they absolutely provoked a confrontation and it is entirely within the reasonable standard for a man outnumbered 4 or 5 to 1 to muster all means available for self defense.

He’ll be acquitted.

Thank you for weighing in. You are correct on all counts.

You people might have a leg to stand on if a *second group* totally unaffiliated with the first people who were creeped out by him had not intervened, and the dude PUNCHED A WOMAN in the second group. This guy was clearly all ready to fight, fight, fight. Welp, congrats, buddy. And also? Multiple stories from multiple news outlets said he thought the kids had the cell phone, as in he likely accused them of stealing. He was riled up and ready to go.

He will be sentenced.

Wonder if that was a group of adults or another group of drunk teens. Where’s the video on that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:52 years old with no prior run-ins with the law.

Carrying a 3 inch blade pocket knife.

They did something to enrage this man.

Right or wrong, we all might be safer if this man is acquitted because people will learn to fear and respect one another.

Reminds me of an incident within the last 2 years where a young man went to a rally with an assault rifle and killed at least one person in self defense. He was acquitted of all charges.

Time to wake up and assume that everyone is carrying.

Nope, we’ll all be safer when MAH GUN SELF-DEFENSE, guns-for-Valentine’s Day types who are literally spoiling for a fight learn that they don’t get to be judge and jury of what is self-defense. Maybe one or two stab wounds to defend himself and scare them off would be justifiable. Literally, actually gutting them and then fleeing the scene? He will be convicted, and he will serve jail time. There will be some leniency, and the full picture will come out that he wasn’t 100% an instigator/the kids weren’t 100% innocent, but he will not be acquitted.

Meanwhile a cop killer was just set free on his own recognizance. Won’t be long before those that support lenient sentences become victims themselves and people like you wake up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.

A person surrounded by a taunting group has every right to protect himself.

God gave him two legs with which to protect himself by walking away. When people start coming toward you and saying things you don’t like, you can leave and rejoin your group. But this guy was spoiling for “self-defense.” He was spoiling for a fight. Hope he enjoyed gutting those people; his few minutes of giving into his desire for vengeance have now cost him essentially the rest of his life. Even if he doesn’t end up behind bars for the maximum amount of time, he will be a convicted murderer. Guilty.

That Asian woman tried to walk away and the perps came back for more. You assume that they would let him walk away.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So he approached them. If he thought they had it then the snorkel part gets creepier. Was he staring at them underwater trying to spot it? Grabbing onto a tube where he thought a person was hiding it? As an engineer what made him think the phone was there?

it's to reasonable to ask whether someone had found a phone? The teens were drunk. Their minds were altered

I never said it wasn’t reasonable for him to ask. But if they said no and then he got up in their space and was touching their tubes and not leaving them alone after they asked him to be left alone, he was essentially saying, “I don’t believe you, and I’m searching.” At that point, he goes from dude asking about a phone into space-invading creeper guy, 100%. And ring-a-ding-ding, turns out he IS a crazy creeper guy, what with being a murderer who stabbed three other people to the point that two had to be *airlifted* to the hospital, the other two rushed to the hospital. Intestines hanging out of bodies, organs exposed. A teen life over, others severely injured, and then he tries to flee.

He will be convicted. 100% he will be convicted, and while his sentence might be somewhat lenient given all the circumstances, he will absolutely serve jail time. I’ll see you all back here in a few months to tell you I told you so.

I'm not sure if it's reasonable to ask about a missing cell phone lost in a river. Why? Because those things sink like stones when they're dropped in water. Why would a group of kids floating down the river have anything to do with a cell phone lying somewhere on the riverbed ? ?

I think it's reasonable to ask about a misplaced cell phone. Say, it goes missing sometime in the course of a shopping trip. It's reasonable to backtrack and ask companies if it might be in their lost and found. But suspecting a group of kids saw the phone fall into the water and somehow managed to catch it with the intent to steal it? That's not reasonable at all. He was already behaving irrationally.

Another person who makes things up and doesn’t read the facts. The cell phone was in one of those bags that should float. It’s reasonable to assume someone might’ve picked it up. He was also looking underwater just in case the bag took a hit on a rock and partially submerged

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So he approached them. If he thought they had it then the snorkel part gets creepier. Was he staring at them underwater trying to spot it? Grabbing onto a tube where he thought a person was hiding it? As an engineer what made him think the phone was there?

it's to reasonable to ask whether someone had found a phone? The teens were drunk. Their minds were altered

I never said it wasn’t reasonable for him to ask. But if they said no and then he got up in their space and was touching their tubes and not leaving them alone after they asked him to be left alone, he was essentially saying, “I don’t believe you, and I’m searching.” At that point, he goes from dude asking about a phone into space-invading creeper guy, 100%. And ring-a-ding-ding, turns out he IS a crazy creeper guy, what with being a murderer who stabbed three other people to the point that two had to be *airlifted* to the hospital, the other two rushed to the hospital. Intestines hanging out of bodies, organs exposed. A teen life over, others severely injured, and then he tries to flee.

He will be convicted. 100% he will be convicted, and while his sentence might be somewhat lenient given all the circumstances, he will absolutely serve jail time. I’ll see you all back here in a few months to tell you I told you so.

I'm not sure if it's reasonable to ask about a missing cell phone lost in a river. Why? Because those things sink like stones when they're dropped in water. Why would a group of kids floating down the river have anything to do with a cell phone lying somewhere on the riverbed ? ?

I think it's reasonable to ask about a misplaced cell phone. Say, it goes missing sometime in the course of a shopping trip. It's reasonable to backtrack and ask companies if it might be in their lost and found. But suspecting a group of kids saw the phone fall into the water and somehow managed to catch it with the intent to steal it? That's not reasonable at all. He was already behaving irrationally.

Apparently it was in a floating bag designed to keep phones/keys/wallets on that type of trip. So i don’t think a quick and polite inquiry was wrong, at all! What I think we will eventually find out in trial is that when they said they hadn’t seen it, he didn’t believe them and then started getting in their space, maybe accusing. He could have just waited for them to exit the area before searching, but he didn’t. He chose to get up in their space, and yes, that is creepy if you’ve already said no we haven’t seen the phone.

DCUM is a picture perfect reason why juries must be vetted. You just made up facts.