Apple river tubing killing

[Anonymous]

Jury asked to watch the cell phone videos again, will be brought into court to watch under the judge’s supervision and then return to deliberations.

[Anonymous]

If I am seeing the same video that the jury saw - it all happened so so fast. I know they broke it down frame by frame and zoomed in but when I saw the video I couldn’t really tell what was happening.

Also, it’s kind of crazy that he was able to inflict so much damage so quickly but I do believe it was self defense.

[Anonymous]

I hope he gets acquitted. I really do.

[Anonymous]

I hope he also gets acquitted.

[Anonymous]

I also hope he gets acquitted. I am (well, was) local to this. Went to the apple river a few times as a teen in the late 90s - that place is wild. Haven't been back since.

I've been watching the live stream on Youtube. If you're interested, it's on Fox9's youtube channel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a 51 year old woman and no bleeping way am I turning my back exposing myself to serious injury while under active attack by a group of drunken hostile teenagers.

Anyone suggesting this is a wise or recommended course of action is an idiot. Full stop.

As a former rural red state America prosecutor, I’m sickened at the charges leveled against this man. They aren’t supported by the known evidence. The state is trying to coerce him into a guilty plea to lesser charges rather than grapple with the complexity and gray in the case and enduring the ire of some of the public - as any truly good prosecutor following the mandate to ‘seek justice, not merely convictions’ should expect to every day of his or her career.

The force of nature that is a parent with a dead kid drives far too many prosecutors to doggedly pursue wrongful convictions in order to quiet the outraged victim family. Sadly in some cases, victims are victims of their own idiocy first and foremost.

These kids had ZERO reason to interact with this guy. If they didn’t like the looks of him they could have floated out of his reach, easily. Surrounding him, yelling insults and accusations, touching him - they absolutely provoked a confrontation and it is entirely within the reasonable standard for a man outnumbered 4 or 5 to 1 to muster all means available for self defense.

He’ll be acquitted.

This posting is concerning. Are you in fact a "former rural red state America prosecutor?"

Here is another angle on what happened:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/nicolae-miu-gun-lovi...on-with-tubing-murder-cops-say

It seems this man was behaving aggressively towards the kids, and not the other way around. The kids repeatedly asked him to leave them alone. A group of 20-something kids came to the rescue, because the teen age kids were yelling for help - before the stabbings began. If I understand the account correctly, a girl from the second group was one of the young folks who were suddenly stabbed without having done or said anything to provoke the man into stabbing her.

I hope if you really are a former prosecutor, you don't intend to go back to being a prosecutor. You're making assumptions without knowing all the facts.

Did you watch the trial, poster?

The young adults are liars, almost to a person. They lied under oath on the stand, even knowing their own cellphone videos dispute their versions of events. The jury has asked to see the videos 3 times during deliberations, and I'll be surprised if they convict him of even the lesser included that the desperate prosecution tacked on at the last minute because they know their own witnesses came off as totally incredible liars, instigators, and a mob that he needed to defend himself against.

Thank you for your righteous judgment of me, just the same. I bet you've never set foot in a courtroom - except maybe to get divorced.

[Anonymous]

Jury's gone home for the night, but before leaving they told the judge they want to watch the videos again when they return in the morning.

They are laser focused on putting themselves inside those few minutes, in Miu's shoes, surrounded by a pack of baying drunk and high hounds.

The defense is anxious tonight as they always are when a good man's life hangs in the balance - but they are feeling a little bit confident, I think.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

I think our laws are messed up if you can shoot someone that mistakenly trespasses because they confused one house for another, but you can’t defend yourself against people who are pushing you into the water and harassing you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

I think our laws are messed up if you can shoot someone that mistakenly trespasses because they confused one house for another, but you can’t defend yourself against people who are pushing you into the water and harassing you.

Those kids didn't leave and call the police. You don't confront a stranger acting like a vigilante. You tell your kids to leave so bad things don't happen to them. Those kids didn't walk away. This is why they should learn that lesson because other people might be forced to defend themselves in the face of aggression.

[Anonymous]

They’re looking for something in those videos. I’d venture there’s a disagreement over something they are hoping evidence will resolve definitively.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve watched much of the trial and am anxious for the verdict. I’m a former prosecutor and defense attorney so I bring that experience.

Miu really messed up lying to the police - I think he’s just a scared person who was afraid of the consequences but I also think he was legitimately scared of that ‘pack of wolves’ that surrounded him - a group of very intoxicated teenagers taking on a guy who is overweight, out of shape and only a year or two since he’d had open heart surgery. He described having tunnel vision and not being able to really hear what was being said to him but just being fearful for his life after they pushed him into the water twice and he fell back into the river rocks.

They shouldn’t have confronted him, and he shouldn’t have been expected to go away just because they demanded he go - the river doesn’t belong to them.

Having done criminal law for some years, I know that people act all sorts of ways and even good people can lie under the pressure of an aberrant situation. I think his lifelong good character and zero history of violence or any criminality should weigh in his favor but it will be interesting to see what the jury decides - most of them are in his age group so that may influence their decision.

I’m his age and I just spent several weeks working with kids at a youth development program and I quit after seeing some students physically assault a staff member- I didn’t want to wait for my turn. I hate to say ‘kids these days,’ but a lot of kids are feral these days and you add a lot of intoxicants and the mob mentality, that is a recipe for disaster.

I think he was truly scared. I don’t think he intended to kill anyone and was truly trying to get them to back off. It’s too bad he didn’t know better than to speak to the police and that he lied, most likely out of fear.

Those "intoxicants" are medication.

Many of those who attacked him were extremely intoxicated, many times legal limit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Now that I’ve seen the video, and how the kids were harassing him, I hope he gets off. The whole knifing was over in seconds. He was trying to get those kids away from him, after being pushed down into the water more than once. Those kids were aggressive a$$holes and I would have been scared too.

Agree. It was scary even just watching. The drunken mob mentality focused on one older man.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I’m on the jury he goes home to his family a vindicated man.

Shame on those teens. Shame on their parents.

Im with you on this one.

[Anonymous]

I’m watching the closing argument for the defense and I can’t imagine they will convict him. All arrows point to self defense.

[Anonymous]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YbBPKZlQGI