Apple river tubing killing

[Anonymous]

Interesting articles all around. Sad the kid died and we’ll see what comes up in trial. Prosecution’s statement that Mui had ‘plenty of time to walk away’ suggests that the allegedly trunk teens did indeed surround him, taunt him, shove him etc. He did not pull his knife until he was shoved into the water twice. Video seems to support that as well, and that Mui did separate himself from the teens at least once. Apparently, Mui went back to look for a floating bag with a friend’s cell phone that went overboard on the trip. He’s had no encounters with the law prior, etc.

Tragic all around, but I can’t help thinking that five teens surrounding a stranger and calling him names, including a pedophile, then shoving him, won’t end well. Saying they did it because ‘he looked sketchy’ doesn’t help either. The five could have offered to help him find the phone instead, or just simply let him be It was a chance encounter and the teens chose a bad path:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/wisconsin-river-tubing-stabbing-suspect-claims-self-defense-says-he-falsely-accused-child-molester

[Anonymous]

Self defense, kids should have been taught not to harass people.

[Anonymous]

You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

[Anonymous]

Very sad, tragic event. Appears that the teenagers were drunk and allegedly repeatedly attacked the 52 year old electrical engineer.

Self defense claim should be taken seriously as the teens never let up and pushed the man back into the water twice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

[Anonymous]

Is the video public?

[Anonymous]

If I’m on the jury he goes home to his family a vindicated man.

Shame on those teens. Shame on their parents.

[Anonymous]

Even if the self defense claim doesn't exonerate the electrical engineer, seems--at first glance--that he should receive the lightest sentence allowed under the law. Hopefully the prosecutors will offer a reasonable plea deal if the self defense claim fails.

The arrested 52 year old claims that the group of teenagers displayed knives during the encounter. I wonder whether this is supported by the video.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Even if the self defense claim doesn't exonerate the electrical engineer, seems--at first glance--that he should receive the lightest sentence allowed under the law. Hopefully the prosecutors will offer a reasonable plea deal if the self defense claim fails.

The arrested 52 year old claims that the group of teenagers displayed knives during the encounter. I wonder whether this is supported by the video.

Hopefully the prosecutors will lose their jobs for going forward with this

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

I'm starting the see the validity of stand your ground laws. It's ridiculous that he's required to flee from a group of teens attacking him

[Anonymous]

A tragedy but seems self defense, parents need to teach children better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if the self defense claim doesn't exonerate the electrical engineer, seems--at first glance--that he should receive the lightest sentence allowed under the law. Hopefully the prosecutors will offer a reasonable plea deal if the self defense claim fails.

The arrested 52 year old claims that the group of teenagers displayed knives during the encounter. I wonder whether this is supported by the video.

Hopefully the prosecutors will lose their jobs for going forward with this

Nope, they’re going to come back—again and again—to each and every moment where he had time to leave. They’re also going to come back to the fact that he tried to flee the scene rather than call the police and explain and ensure that the other wounded had care. They’re also going to point out that he grabbed someone’s tube before anything else started. They’re also going to make the point that he was an adult and the murdered victim was a teenager. They’re also going to make the point that the wounds inflicted were so severe that “intestines were hanging out of bodies” and “exposing internal organs,” as in defensive attack is one thing, rage mode is another.

“…the video and elapsed time shows opportunity for Nicolae to leave the confrontation.” That’s the main point. Fleeing the scene is the other damning point.

I’m not saying he’ll get the harshest possible sentence. I’m not saying the teens were innocent. But no one deserved to die, and he COULD HAVE walked away.

I’ll see you all back here when sentencing comes in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

NP

I hate living in a world like this. Where people get to be aggressive a$$holes and my only option (according to you) is to walk away. It ain’t right. Eff that sh!t.

OK, keep “living in a world” where teenagers get stabbed to death and the guy who inflicted the wounds has his life completely ruined forever, even if he gets a lenient sentence. Because even if he gets minimal time, this will haunt his life forever. You keep living in THAT world. Shrug.