Apple river tubing killing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could see how the kids thought he was a creeper, wearing goggles and snorkel and being underwater looking at their undersides as they floated by. What happened afterward sounds completely out of control on the part of everyone. Seems odd he would have a big knife with him to look for a lost cell phone. And in order to get the clip as stated was he already filming them (why??) when the attack started? It was his lawyers that made the self defense statements to the press; they’re trying to paint him in the best light possible but like everything, I’m sure there’s more to this story.

It was a 3 inch folding pocket knife. In what universe is that a ‘big knife’?

I guess in the universe where that night could...rip the intestines out of people and expose their organs?

You get 9/11 was box cutters, yes?

[Anonymous]

Drink teens means underage drinking. Wonder what everyone’s blood alcohol level was.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could see how the kids thought he was a creeper, wearing goggles and snorkel and being underwater looking at their undersides as they floated by. What happened afterward sounds completely out of control on the part of everyone. Seems odd he would have a big knife with him to look for a lost cell phone. And in order to get the clip as stated was he already filming them (why??) when the attack started? It was his lawyers that made the self defense statements to the press; they’re trying to paint him in the best light possible but like everything, I’m sure there’s more to this story.

He grabbed one of their tubes at the start of it all. Likely with only the intention of stabilizing himself, but still. Touching their tube + goggles/snorkel and generally being all up in their space = not a great start to the interaction.

Something that they could have easily resolved by simply asking him what was up and giving him a chance to answer instead of jumping to conclusions and going immediately on the attack. The teens are much more at fault for the confrontation- they provoked the confrontation. If they had been well raised and weren’t drunken idiots, they could have kindly offered to help him find the phone. Raised by wolves or more likely QAnon MAGA morons who think everyone is a pedophile, they assaulted him and created the right for him to defend himself.

Disgusting how he has been charged. Shame on the prosecution.

[Anonymous]

I found a New York Times article on this incident. It's hard to tell what happened. This article gives few details to indicate the boys were so bad they were threatening this man's life. Who knows what really happened.

I will say, the young adults inner tubing on the Potomac can get rowdy and a bit of out of hand. I see large groups of them floating down river, with cases of beer in floating devices. They're having a good time, yelling and laughing. They're having a good time. Too loud for me, but that's my problem, not theirs.

[Anonymous]

^^This is the article here -

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/01/us/apple-river-wisconsin-stabbing-charges.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could see how the kids thought he was a creeper, wearing goggles and snorkel and being underwater looking at their undersides as they floated by. What happened afterward sounds completely out of control on the part of everyone. Seems odd he would have a big knife with him to look for a lost cell phone. And in order to get the clip as stated was he already filming them (why??) when the attack started? It was his lawyers that made the self defense statements to the press; they’re trying to paint him in the best light possible but like everything, I’m sure there’s more to this story.

It was a 3 inch folding pocket knife. In what universe is that a ‘big knife’?

I guess in the universe where that night could...rip the intestines out of people and expose their organs?

You get 9/11 was box cutters, yes?

Yes, a SMALL pocket knife can cause serious damage to the human body. An itty bitty razor blade can kill you.

Nevertheless you are a very much mistaken for calling a 3 inch pocket knife a BIG KNIFE. A continued defense of the mistake reveals idiocy or arrogance superseding common sense. You’re probably also raising a teenager like these.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Someone can correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the reasonable beliefs of the person claiming self defense were paramount when making the claim. So it doesn’t matter if a time elapsed video shows he may have had time to leave, it’s matters if he reasonably believed, in that moment, that he was able to flee.

I also agree “fleeing the scene” has two meanings here. If he wasn’t aware he caused significant, debilitating harm, he was fleeing to safety. Otherwise he was fleeing potential prosecution.

+1

Also, it's a river. It goes one direction. It's not fleeing if you stay on until the exit point. was he supposed to climb up the bank and sit still next to a now injured and enraged violent mob that had just attacked him?

Again, some more, I'm not saying the teens were right and he is wrong: I am pointing out the reality of what the prosecution is going to go after. See you when sentencing comes in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

He was under no obligation to leave. He wanted to keep looking for the phone. They didn’t have to surround him, continue to harrass him, and start a physical altercation first.

Never said they were justified in doing what they did. What I did say was—in any escalating, dangerous situation—YOU LEAVE. And he had the opportunity to do so. Now a teen is dead, and he will go to jail for life or will have some other significant sentence. He will be separated from his family. He will pay exorbitant legal fees. He will think about this every day for the rest of his life. And a teen is dead. If that was your teenage son or daughter, would you have wanted this guy to “stand his ground”? You walk away. Period.

You leave? Is that what the police are supposed to do? back down anytime they are challenged or attacked? Thought not.

Let me tell you something to share with any of you who have stupid kids like this. I conceal carry and will absolutely end their lives if they threaten or attack me or a member of my party. That's called real life. I defend myself. I don't rely on others.

Looking forward to seeing your sketchy mugshot on the Fox5 website someday! Enjoy your time in jail. Your “concealed carry” won’t help you when Big Rick and the boys sniff around the fresh meat.

I love it when liberals reveal their true bigoted, homophobic selves.

Oh honey, who said I was a liberal? I'm a realist who lives in the real world and can see how this is all going to play out. I look forward to seeing you in particular when the sentence comes back in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I could see how the kids thought he was a creeper, wearing goggles and snorkel and being underwater looking at their undersides as they floated by. What happened afterward sounds completely out of control on the part of everyone. Seems odd he would have a big knife with him to look for a lost cell phone. And in order to get the clip as stated was he already filming them (why??) when the attack started? It was his lawyers that made the self defense statements to the press; they’re trying to paint him in the best light possible but like everything, I’m sure there’s more to this story.

It was a 3 inch folding pocket knife. In what universe is that a ‘big knife’?

I guess in the universe where that night could...rip the intestines out of people and expose their organs?

You get 9/11 was box cutters, yes?

Yes, a SMALL pocket knife can cause serious damage to the human body. An itty bitty razor blade can kill you.

Nevertheless you are a very much mistaken for calling a 3 inch pocket knife a BIG KNIFE. A continued defense of the mistake reveals idiocy or arrogance superseding common sense. You’re probably also raising a teenager like these.

Awwwww, I'm not even the one who called it a big knife, that was another poster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You leave. You leave and you call the police. He had time to leave and call the police. At the end of the day, it was a cell phone. Leave it. You can get a new cell phone; you can’t get back a dead teen, or your ruined life.

You leave and you call the police.

It’s like we tell our kids: you don’t fight, you don’t hit, you don’t get violent, you walk away and ask for help.

This. It is upsetting to be surrounded and called names but nothing in this self-defense story justifies stabbing several people so violently that their internal organs were hanging out and exposed. Also, he was snorkeling around, apparently looking for the phone, but grabbing on to peoples' tubes underwater. It's reasonable that such actions could be mistaken as "creepy" and, the teens may have gone overboard, but he was definitely not just out looking for a phone. Grabbing tubes and the butts that hang through them is weird.

[Anonymous]

More facts will come out as time goes by. Not defending any side here, just trying to look at the story from all possible sides. Don’t forget the press vilified the Duke frat boys until the entire story was in.

[Anonymous]

F around and find out.

[Anonymous]

From NYT article:

Mr. Miu — described in the complaint as “an older male” with gray hair, weighing approximately 250 pounds — was captured on video running toward a group shirtless and carrying a snorkel, according to the documents. In the video, the group can be heard telling him to “get away,” according to the documents.
According to interviews with witnesses and victims, Mr. Miu was “bothering a group of juveniles on their tubes.” Members of this group “were yelling for help from other individuals floating down the river nearby,” according to the documents.

Witnesses said that a group of people came and stood between Mr. Miu and the juveniles and told him to leave. They also said that he punched or slapped a woman in the second group who was confronting him. According to the witnesses, Mr. Miu was then punched by a man and fell into the river, documents say.

Mr. Miu then began “stabbing multiple individuals who were near him,” according to the complaint. They described the knife as having a three-inch silver blade. After the stabbing, “there was enough blood in the river that the water turned a red tint in places,” court documents say.

[Anonymous]

At 250 pounds he was a big guy. The picture of the boy who died was little and skinny, not a football player type. Wonder if this size disparity will come into play during a trial.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:F around and find out.

Find out you're a murder in jail who can literally never escape the fact that you are a murderer and were in jail, even if you get a life sentence? Wow, what a thing to "find out."