Apple river tubing killing

[Anonymous]

I’ve two ellipses without having to leave my yard. One when I was in elementary school and one in 2017. They’re pretty cool, but not something I’d travel or fight crowds for.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:News reports that he initially lied about having a knife until video showed the clip in his pocket.

Lying=bad result.

Knife=notoriously harder to defend use of, even as compared to a firearm.

Duty to retreat/no duty to retreat. If he had just given up and tried to leave early in the encounter that might’ve been the end of it, regardless of duty.

Once he went down in the water surrounded by hostiles, I think he probably did fear for his life. I sure would.

He was found guilty of the lesser charge of First degree reckless homicide. He acted with utter disregard of human life.

The jury didn’t think the prosecutor proved intent beyond a reasonable doubt. So he didn’t get “first degree intentional”; however, the knife was the issue….. “Use of dangerous weapon” and “Reckless disregard”.

This is our justice process…. Unanimous by a jury of his peers. He can appeal, but likely in the meantime he will rot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is one of the best closing arguments I've ever seen - over years of CourtTV watching and years as a trial attorney myself:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grxq266ZeqI

I agree. Excellent. God-awful verdict.

[Anonymous]

He left the scene and then chose to come back. Then he chose to lie to the police. Multiple times and ways he could have left. Justice was served.

[Anonymous]

I mean, someone's child died. A teenager.

This is a grown-ass man. He should have left. He should have gotten in his vehicle and drove away, and called the cops to provide an account of what happened in the river.

It couldn't have been easy for the jury to find him guilty. They reviewed the video over and over again, from the sounds of it.

Haven't seen the video, and don't know all the facts. From my viewpoint as a casual observer, it makes sense to me they found him guilty. It's a tragedy all around, but bottom line is a teenager lost his life.Also it's not good optics that he lied about the knife. That's strike one. He could have walked away from the confrontation. Strike two. He killed the teenager, strike three.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean, someone's child died. A teenager.

This is a grown-ass man. He should have left. He should have gotten in his vehicle and drove away, and called the cops to provide an account of what happened in the river.

It couldn't have been easy for the jury to find him guilty. They reviewed the video over and over again, from the sounds of it.

Haven't seen the video, and don't know all the facts. From my viewpoint as a casual observer, it makes sense to me they found him guilty. It's a tragedy all around, but bottom line is a teenager lost his life.Also it's not good optics that he lied about the knife. That's strike one. He could have walked away from the confrontation. Strike two. He killed the teenager, strike three.

Watch the video. And then come back and tell me what you think.

[Anonymous]

He was sentenced to 20 years and wept while he apologized to the parents of the young man who was killed.

https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/courts-news/apple-river-killer-nicolae-miu-to-be-sentenced-wednesday-stabbings-isaac-schuman/89-40279885-e278-4e0f-bff9-66a0e6019afe

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:News reports that he initially lied about having a knife until video showed the clip in his pocket.

Lying=bad result.

Knife=notoriously harder to defend use of, even as compared to a firearm.

Duty to retreat/no duty to retreat. If he had just given up and tried to leave early in the encounter that might’ve been the end of it, regardless of duty.

Once he went down in the water surrounded by hostiles, I think he probably did fear for his life. I sure would.

He was found guilty of the lesser charge of First degree reckless homicide. He acted with utter disregard of human life.

The jury didn’t think the prosecutor proved intent beyond a reasonable doubt. So he didn’t get “first degree intentional”; however, the knife was the issue….. “Use of dangerous weapon” and “Reckless disregard”.

This is our justice process…. Unanimous by a jury of his peers. He can appeal, but likely in the meantime he will rot.

I was surprised by both the verdict and the sentence. I could have understood a conviction on second degree reckless homicide, but I don't think he acted with utter disregard for human life in the fatal stabbing. I think he reasonably feared for his safety. He should have tried harder and earlier to get away, but the group of kids were acting very aggressively towards him.