Would you be ticked off if a restaurant refused to serve you a cocktail for no ID?

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Anonymous wrote:All the "it's the LAW" people here are too much. Let me guess, none of you ever drive over the speed limit either, right?

If we get pulled over and get a ticket, we pay it without complaining to the officer. See how that works?

No, no you all don't. Come on. Are you going to pretend you all thank him for reminding you of the law also and teaching you a lesson?

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on stare or local law, but generally the law forbids serving minors, and carding is a business policy to make sure you don't violate that law. If they didn't card a 40 year old, and ABC were standing right there, they would not have been in trouble because they did not serve a minor.

This. I am amazed at the combination of ignorance and righteousness of the most PP. The law is about serving minors, not carding.

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Folks are piling on and using disinformation to do so because this forum is full of bitter hoi polloi who like to see a presumably UMC Karen get knocked down a notch.

Or:
This forum is filled with people who don’t condone nonsense. The server was 100% correct. Why should she jeopardize her job because some entitled person demands a margarita?

Sure, OP shouldn't have been mad at the server, but the PPs who keep shouting its the law are wrong about that in most states. Bar policy, likely, but not the law.

Not restaurant policy — OP said pensioners next to her said they were not carded, nor was OP and her husband on a prior visit.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on stare or local law, but generally the law forbids serving minors, and carding is a business policy to make sure you don't violate that law. If they didn't card a 40 year old, and ABC were standing right there, they would not have been in trouble because they did not serve a minor.

This. I am amazed at the combination of ignorance and righteousness of the most PP. The law is about serving minors, not carding.

+1

Folks are piling on and using disinformation to do so because this forum is full of bitter hoi polloi who like to see a presumably UMC Karen get knocked down a notch.

Or:
This forum is filled with people who don’t condone nonsense. The server was 100% correct. Why should she jeopardize her job because some entitled person demands a margarita?

Sure, OP shouldn't have been mad at the server, but the PPs who keep shouting its the law are wrong about that in most states. Bar policy, likely, but not the law.

Not restaurant policy — OP said pensioners next to her said they were not carded, nor was OP and her husband on a prior visit.

DP. Either way, the OP should have had her ID with her. She knew there was a possibility of being carded. OP could have easily slid her ID in her pocket or given it to her husband to put in his wallet. She didn't. Sounds like she annoyed the waitress in some way and so the waitress exercised her power. I can't argue with that.

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Anonymous wrote:It depends on stare or local law, but generally the law forbids serving minors, and carding is a business policy to make sure you don't violate that law. If they didn't card a 40 year old, and ABC were standing right there, they would not have been in trouble because they did not serve a minor.

This. I am amazed at the combination of ignorance and righteousness of the most PP. The law is about serving minors, not carding.

+1

Folks are piling on and using disinformation to do so because this forum is full of bitter hoi polloi who like to see a presumably UMC Karen get knocked down a notch.

Or:
This forum is filled with people who don’t condone nonsense. The server was 100% correct. Why should she jeopardize her job because some entitled person demands a margarita?

Sure, OP shouldn't have been mad at the server, but the PPs who keep shouting its the law are wrong about that in most states. Bar policy, likely, but not the law.

Not restaurant policy — OP said pensioners next to her said they were not carded, nor was OP and her husband on a prior visit.

DP. Either way, the OP should have had her ID with her. She knew there was a possibility of being carded. OP could have easily slid her ID in her pocket or given it to her husband to put in his wallet. She didn't. Sounds like she annoyed the waitress in some way and so the waitress exercised her power. I can't argue with that.

Hopefully OP exercised her power and left no tip.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It depends on stare or local law, but generally the law forbids serving minors, and carding is a business policy to make sure you don't violate that law. If they didn't card a 40 year old, and ABC were standing right there, they would not have been in trouble because they did not serve a minor.

This. I am amazed at the combination of ignorance and righteousness of the most PP. The law is about serving minors, not carding.

+1

Folks are piling on and using disinformation to do so because this forum is full of bitter hoi polloi who like to see a presumably UMC Karen get knocked down a notch.

Presumably UMC? Oh, right, it was a classic margarita.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It depends on stare or local law, but generally the law forbids serving minors, and carding is a business policy to make sure you don't violate that law. If they didn't card a 40 year old, and ABC were standing right there, they would not have been in trouble because they did not serve a minor.

This. I am amazed at the combination of ignorance and righteousness of the most PP. The law is about serving minors, not carding.

+1

Folks are piling on and using disinformation to do so because this forum is full of bitter hoi polloi who like to see a presumably UMC Karen get knocked down a notch.

Or:
This forum is filled with people who don’t condone nonsense. The server was 100% correct. Why should she jeopardize her job because some entitled person demands a margarita?

Sure, OP shouldn't have been mad at the server, but the PPs who keep shouting its the law are wrong about that in most states. Bar policy, likely, but not the law.

Not restaurant policy — OP said pensioners next to her said they were not carded, nor was OP and her husband on a prior visit.

Or not everyone followed the policy but this bartender did.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It depends on stare or local law, but generally the law forbids serving minors, and carding is a business policy to make sure you don't violate that law. If they didn't card a 40 year old, and ABC were standing right there, they would not have been in trouble because they did not serve a minor.

This. I am amazed at the combination of ignorance and righteousness of the most PP. The law is about serving minors, not carding.

+1

Folks are piling on and using disinformation to do so because this forum is full of bitter hoi polloi who like to see a presumably UMC Karen get knocked down a notch.

Presumably UMC? Oh, right, it was a classic margarita.

I just assumed that was the cheap margarita or house margarita. Not the fancy one with the top shelf tequila.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the "it's the LAW" people here are too much. Let me guess, none of you ever drive over the speed limit either, right?

Yeah, no. My speeding is me breaking the law. It's not asking someone else to break it for me.

I do agree that the laws don't require IDs per se, not for the elderly.

[Anonymous]

I can't imagine a bar manager being happy with not selling alcohol to a legal adult. That's where the money is made.

[Anonymous]

I don't think carding 40 year-olds has anything to with the law. But a no-exceptions policy helps the restaurant to avoid negative Yelp reviews, or even lawsuits, about the ID policy being applied in a discriminatory manner (for example: I'm (race/color/ethnicity/gender/sexuality/person with a disability/etc) and the server refused to serve me without ID, but didn't card the people (who looked not to be of the same protected class) at the next table." There's no good way for the restaurant to respond to this kind of complaint and on-line accusations hurt.

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In addition to the above post, a no-exception policy is easier for staff to rely on when entitled customers who need their booze are arguing with them, and the a safer policy for the the owner to require of their staff, because the owner really could be hurt if there's a sting -- who wants to trust a young person working a summer job at a beach restaurant to make the right call every time, or decide on the spot who is clearly old enough and who is borderline, and then defend that position when the customer argues? Just make the rule "no" and be done with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In addition to the above post, a no-exception policy is easier for staff to rely on when entitled customers who need their booze are arguing with them, and the a safer policy for the the owner to require of their staff, because the owner really could be hurt if there's a sting -- who wants to trust a young person working a summer job at a beach restaurant to make the right call every time, or decide on the spot who is clearly old enough and who is borderline, and then defend that position when the customer argues? Just make the rule "no" and be done with it.

The fact that the bartender with an attitude warned the other bartender not to serve OP alcohol makes it quite clear there was no blanket policy at this restaurant to card everyone. If so, the other bartender would have carded OP without the heads up, because those were the rules, and would have figured out she had no ID anyway. Instead, it was just a petty bartender on a power trip who decided she didn't like OP that day. Maybe OP was really annoying, who knows, but obviously this restaurant didn't have such a no-exception policy. As others weren't carded at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It depends on stare or local law, but generally the law forbids serving minors, and carding is a business policy to make sure you don't violate that law. If they didn't card a 40 year old, and ABC were standing right there, they would not have been in trouble because they did not serve a minor.

This. I am amazed at the combination of ignorance and righteousness of the most PP. The law is about serving minors, not carding.

+1

Folks are piling on and using disinformation to do so because this forum is full of bitter hoi polloi who like to see a presumably UMC Karen get knocked down a notch.

It’s likely misinformation, not disinformation, people make erroneous claims about the law all the time on DCUM without realizing it. But it’s likely the rule of the restaurant— if you owned a restaurant, wouldn’t you make it a blanket rule to check all id’s rather than rely on the discretion and judgment of the bartenders, some of whom may be 21 themselves. It’s the only thing that will protect you from the law about not serving minors, and better to lose the occasional sale from people like OP rather than leave it up to bartenders to decide who does and does not need an id.

This. The house rule is likely that everyone gets carded, or everyone that looks under 50 or whatever. Perhaps they had a recent incident of serving a minor and they're being extra careful. Regardless, the bartender may be risking her job if she served someone without checking IDs. Tough to blame her for that, unless you're OP, I guess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In addition to the above post, a no-exception policy is easier for staff to rely on when entitled customers who need their booze are arguing with them, and the a safer policy for the the owner to require of their staff, because the owner really could be hurt if there's a sting -- who wants to trust a young person working a summer job at a beach restaurant to make the right call every time, or decide on the spot who is clearly old enough and who is borderline, and then defend that position when the customer argues? Just make the rule "no" and be done with it.

The fact that the bartender with an attitude warned the other bartender not to serve OP alcohol makes it quite clear there was no blanket policy at this restaurant to card everyone. If so, the other bartender would have carded OP without the heads up, because those were the rules, and would have figured out she had no ID anyway. Instead, it was just a petty bartender on a power trip who decided she didn't like OP that day. Maybe OP was really annoying, who knows, but obviously this restaurant didn't have such a no-exception policy. As others weren't carded at all.

I can hazard a guess . . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It depends on stare or local law, but generally the law forbids serving minors, and carding is a business policy to make sure you don't violate that law. If they didn't card a 40 year old, and ABC were standing right there, they would not have been in trouble because they did not serve a minor.

This. I am amazed at the combination of ignorance and righteousness of the most PP. The law is about serving minors, not carding.

+1

Folks are piling on and using disinformation to do so because this forum is full of bitter hoi polloi who like to see a presumably UMC Karen get knocked down a notch.

It’s likely misinformation, not disinformation, people make erroneous claims about the law all the time on DCUM without realizing it. But it’s likely the rule of the restaurant— if you owned a restaurant, wouldn’t you make it a blanket rule to check all id’s rather than rely on the discretion and judgment of the bartenders, some of whom may be 21 themselves. It’s the only thing that will protect you from the law about not serving minors, and better to lose the occasional sale from people like OP rather than leave it up to bartenders to decide who does and does not need an id.

This. The house rule is likely that everyone gets carded, or everyone that looks under 50 or whatever. Perhaps they had a recent incident of serving a minor and they're being extra careful. Regardless, the bartender may be risking her job if she served someone without checking IDs. Tough to blame her for that, unless you're OP, I guess.

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