The school has arranged for us to meet with the parents of the child who has been bullying our child

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing to me how many of these posts just automatically assume bad intent on behalf of the other family. Maybe, just maybe, they want to hear what you're hearing from your kid and understand it so that they can validate where their kid is creating an issue vs. responding to provocation, and doing so with an open mind, so they can better engage their own kid and provide appropriate guidance for them? And maybe just maybe your own precious angel is subtly provoking the other child with dirty looks or exclusionary behaviors?

I mean, that's what I'd do. Sure, I'd be ready to acknowledge that my child may have behavioral issues to address, but I also wouldn't just take the school's/other parent's feedback at gospel truth... "Oh, someone else said my kid is doing X? Well that must be the WHOLE story, thanks!" So yeah, if I had an opportunity to meet with the other family for an ongoing issue like this, I'd do so... and try to work constructively with them and the school to help resolve it, not just for this instance, but so that it doesn't become a recurring pattern/theme next year and beyond.

And someone even said to bring a lawyer? WTAF is wrong with you people?


The OP owes nothing to the other family. Bad intent or not. Why do you want the OP to do them favors? You are a damn fool.


yep. and these events are happening at school - it’s the school that has insight into what’s happening, not the parents.
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Anonymous wrote:Amazing to me how many of these posts just automatically assume bad intent on behalf of the other family. Maybe, just maybe, they want to hear what you're hearing from your kid and understand it so that they can validate where their kid is creating an issue vs. responding to provocation, and doing so with an open mind, so they can better engage their own kid and provide appropriate guidance for them? And maybe just maybe your own precious angel is subtly provoking the other child with dirty looks or exclusionary behaviors?

I mean, that's what I'd do. Sure, I'd be ready to acknowledge that my child may have behavioral issues to address, but I also wouldn't just take the school's/other parent's feedback at gospel truth... "Oh, someone else said my kid is doing X? Well that must be the WHOLE story, thanks!" So yeah, if I had an opportunity to meet with the other family for an ongoing issue like this, I'd do so... and try to work constructively with them and the school to help resolve it, not just for this instance, but so that it doesn't become a recurring pattern/theme next year and beyond.

And someone even said to bring a lawyer? WTAF is wrong with you people?


The OP owes nothing to the other family. Bad intent or not. Why do you want the OP to do them favors? You are a damn fool.


Who said they owed anything to the other family? Why is that the critiera? In what sense are they doing them a "favor"? Maybe OP is open-minded to learn a different perspective on their own child's behavior than just what their kid is telling them directly. In short, maybe OP is actually a decent human being.


You are extremely naive if you think this info is going to come from the other parents … who are just as much in the dark about what happens at school as OP is. Schools do this when they want to play off their own responsibilities by creating parent drama.
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Anonymous wrote:They want to blame, convolute and bully you under the guise of being proactive



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Don't do it OP.

Also, be aware that the bully (and their bully parents) often try to say that your side is the bully - because it behooves them to try to do so. This is where they are going with this.

I have seen it end with the denial bully parents and their bully kid actually inflicting physical harm (assault) on the other side, and the school backs the assailant up (FCPS HS). Don't get wrapped up in their BS and drama. They are trying to size you up. Don't let them. SN or not - no excuse for assault. None.
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Anonymous wrote:Amazing to me how many of these posts just automatically assume bad intent on behalf of the other family. Maybe, just maybe, they want to hear what you're hearing from your kid and understand it so that they can validate where their kid is creating an issue vs. responding to provocation, and doing so with an open mind, so they can better engage their own kid and provide appropriate guidance for them? And maybe just maybe your own precious angel is subtly provoking the other child with dirty looks or exclusionary behaviors?

I mean, that's what I'd do. Sure, I'd be ready to acknowledge that my child may have behavioral issues to address, but I also wouldn't just take the school's/other parent's feedback at gospel truth... "Oh, someone else said my kid is doing X? Well that must be the WHOLE story, thanks!" So yeah, if I had an opportunity to meet with the other family for an ongoing issue like this, I'd do so... and try to work constructively with them and the school to help resolve it, not just for this instance, but so that it doesn't become a recurring pattern/theme next year and beyond.

And someone even said to bring a lawyer? WTAF is wrong with you people?


The OP owes nothing to the other family. Bad intent or not. Why do you want the OP to do them favors? You are a damn fool.


Who said they owed anything to the other family? Why is that the critiera? In what sense are they doing them a "favor"? Maybe OP is open-minded to learn a different perspective on their own child's behavior than just what their kid is telling them directly. In short, maybe OP is actually a decent human being.


You are extremely naive if you think this info is going to come from the other parents … who are just as much in the dark about what happens at school as OP is. Schools do this when they want to play off their own responsibilities by creating parent drama.


+1

The school wants ZERO responsibility in this - and will do anything to deflect responsibility and put it elsewhere. Anything. Also, be apprised that if something happens, the school will do anything to keep it out of their stats (ie: reporting). Anything the school does is only in the school's best interest. The school is not looking out for you, OP.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing to me how many of these posts just automatically assume bad intent on behalf of the other family. Maybe, just maybe, they want to hear what you're hearing from your kid and understand it so that they can validate where their kid is creating an issue vs. responding to provocation, and doing so with an open mind, so they can better engage their own kid and provide appropriate guidance for them? And maybe just maybe your own precious angel is subtly provoking the other child with dirty looks or exclusionary behaviors?

I mean, that's what I'd do. Sure, I'd be ready to acknowledge that my child may have behavioral issues to address, but I also wouldn't just take the school's/other parent's feedback at gospel truth... "Oh, someone else said my kid is doing X? Well that must be the WHOLE story, thanks!" So yeah, if I had an opportunity to meet with the other family for an ongoing issue like this, I'd do so... and try to work constructively with them and the school to help resolve it, not just for this instance, but so that it doesn't become a recurring pattern/theme next year and beyond.

And someone even said to bring a lawyer? WTAF is wrong with you people?


The OP owes nothing to the other family. Bad intent or not. Why do you want the OP to do them favors? You are a damn fool.


Who said they owed anything to the other family? Why is that the critiera? In what sense are they doing them a "favor"? Maybe OP is open-minded to learn a different perspective on their own child's behavior than just what their kid is telling them directly. In short, maybe OP is actually a decent human being.


those of us who have BTDT know it is harmful to try to have parents meet. will make the “bully” parents feel bad or defensive; and the “victim” parents feel conflicted (if they like the parents) or just angrier (if parents don’t grovel appropriately). this kind of meeting is always arranged with the subtext that the parents of the “bad” kid will apologize to mollify the parents of the “victim.” But that kind of emotional entanglement is absolutely unrelated to how these kinds of issues actually need to be addressed - which is by the school. I can grovel til the cows come home about the latest thing my kid with ASD did, but it just makes me feel terrible and doesn’t help the other kids, at all.
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Anonymous wrote:The kids are in 5th grade. It's almost the end of the year, and we are switching schools next year, so I'm not sure of point here.
I do think the other child may have special needs (the other child is in my kid's small group, which has added to the issues) that contribute to the difficulty they are having.

Looking for advice on how to approach this meeting? There has been a separation plan in place for awhile, but the other child sometimes forgets or ignores it and can be disgruntled and has even outright refused to abide by it once the teacher asks them to separate from our child. We want the other parents to do whatever they can to get their child to adhere to the separation plan. Anything else?

The bullying has been mostly verbal, but has veered into some physical aspects as well that is subtle enough that the teachers may not necessarily notice (pinching and finger flicking).


One month left of school, and you are switching schools next year, and there is also no point in attending, OP. Just no.
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Anonymous wrote:Amazing to me how many of these posts just automatically assume bad intent on behalf of the other family. Maybe, just maybe, they want to hear what you're hearing from your kid and understand it so that they can validate where their kid is creating an issue vs. responding to provocation, and doing so with an open mind, so they can better engage their own kid and provide appropriate guidance for them? And maybe just maybe your own precious angel is subtly provoking the other child with dirty looks or exclusionary behaviors?

I mean, that's what I'd do. Sure, I'd be ready to acknowledge that my child may have behavioral issues to address, but I also wouldn't just take the school's/other parent's feedback at gospel truth... "Oh, someone else said my kid is doing X? Well that must be the WHOLE story, thanks!" So yeah, if I had an opportunity to meet with the other family for an ongoing issue like this, I'd do so... and try to work constructively with them and the school to help resolve it, not just for this instance, but so that it doesn't become a recurring pattern/theme next year and beyond.

And someone even said to bring a lawyer? WTAF is wrong with you people?


The OP owes nothing to the other family. Bad intent or not. Why do you want the OP to do them favors? You are a damn fool.

What school behaves this way?! And why are your children still there is this is what you believe?!?
Who said they owed anything to the other family? Why is that the critiera? In what sense are they doing them a "favor"? Maybe OP is open-minded to learn a different perspective on their own child's behavior than just what their kid is telling them directly. In short, maybe OP is actually a decent human being.


You are extremely naive if you think this info is going to come from the other parents … who are just as much in the dark about what happens at school as OP is. Schools do this when they want to play off their own responsibilities by creating parent drama.


+1

The school wants ZERO responsibility in this - and will do anything to deflect responsibility and put it elsewhere. Anything. Also, be apprised that if something happens, the school will do anything to keep it out of their stats (ie: reporting). Anything the school does is only in the school's best interest. The school is not looking out for you, OP.

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Anonymous wrote:Amazing to me how many of these posts just automatically assume bad intent on behalf of the other family. Maybe, just maybe, they want to hear what you're hearing from your kid and understand it so that they can validate where their kid is creating an issue vs. responding to provocation, and doing so with an open mind, so they can better engage their own kid and provide appropriate guidance for them? And maybe just maybe your own precious angel is subtly provoking the other child with dirty looks or exclusionary behaviors?

I mean, that's what I'd do. Sure, I'd be ready to acknowledge that my child may have behavioral issues to address, but I also wouldn't just take the school's/other parent's feedback at gospel truth... "Oh, someone else said my kid is doing X? Well that must be the WHOLE story, thanks!" So yeah, if I had an opportunity to meet with the other family for an ongoing issue like this, I'd do so... and try to work constructively with them and the school to help resolve it, not just for this instance, but so that it doesn't become a recurring pattern/theme next year and beyond.

And someone even said to bring a lawyer? WTAF is wrong with you people?


The OP owes nothing to the other family. Bad intent or not. Why do you want the OP to do them favors? You are a damn fool.


Who said they owed anything to the other family? Why is that the critiera? In what sense are they doing them a "favor"? Maybe OP is open-minded to learn a different perspective on their own child's behavior than just what their kid is telling them directly. In short, maybe OP is actually a decent human being.


those of us who have BTDT know it is harmful to try to have parents meet. will make the “bully” parents feel bad or defensive; and the “victim” parents feel conflicted (if they like the parents) or just angrier (if parents don’t grovel appropriately). this kind of meeting is always arranged with the subtext that the parents of the “bad” kid will apologize to mollify the parents of the “victim.” But that kind of emotional entanglement is absolutely unrelated to how these kinds of issues actually need to be addressed - which is by the school. I can grovel til the cows come home about the latest thing my kid with ASD did, but it just makes me feel terrible and doesn’t help the other kids, at all.


An apology would be nice. Sorry that it makes you feel bad but you are not the victim and you have no idea what it does or does not mean to them. As parents we are supposed to model proper behavior. Also, it should not be completely handled by the school. There should be some level of personal responsibility involved.
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Anonymous wrote:Amazing to me how many of these posts just automatically assume bad intent on behalf of the other family. Maybe, just maybe, they want to hear what you're hearing from your kid and understand it so that they can validate where their kid is creating an issue vs. responding to provocation, and doing so with an open mind, so they can better engage their own kid and provide appropriate guidance for them? And maybe just maybe your own precious angel is subtly provoking the other child with dirty looks or exclusionary behaviors?

I mean, that's what I'd do. Sure, I'd be ready to acknowledge that my child may have behavioral issues to address, but I also wouldn't just take the school's/other parent's feedback at gospel truth... "Oh, someone else said my kid is doing X? Well that must be the WHOLE story, thanks!" So yeah, if I had an opportunity to meet with the other family for an ongoing issue like this, I'd do so... and try to work constructively with them and the school to help resolve it, not just for this instance, but so that it doesn't become a recurring pattern/theme next year and beyond.

And someone even said to bring a lawyer? WTAF is wrong with you people?


The OP owes nothing to the other family. Bad intent or not. Why do you want the OP to do them favors? You are a damn fool.


Who said they owed anything to the other family? Why is that the critiera? In what sense are they doing them a "favor"? Maybe OP is open-minded to learn a different perspective on their own child's behavior than just what their kid is telling them directly. In short, maybe OP is actually a decent human being.


those of us who have BTDT know it is harmful to try to have parents meet. will make the “bully” parents feel bad or defensive; and the “victim” parents feel conflicted (if they like the parents) or just angrier (if parents don’t grovel appropriately). this kind of meeting is always arranged with the subtext that the parents of the “bad” kid will apologize to mollify the parents of the “victim.” But that kind of emotional entanglement is absolutely unrelated to how these kinds of issues actually need to be addressed - which is by the school. I can grovel til the cows come home about the latest thing my kid with ASD did, but it just makes me feel terrible and doesn’t help the other kids, at all.


An apology would be nice. Sorry that it makes you feel bad but you are not the victim and you have no idea what it does or does not mean to them. As parents we are supposed to model proper behavior. Also, it should not be completely handled by the school. There should be some level of personal responsibility involved.


“would be nice to adults I don’t know” is not my concern when trying to raise my kid. But thanks for showing that you see this as a morality play where an injured party receives recompense- which has zero to do with actually helping either kid.
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Anonymous wrote:Amazing to me how many of these posts just automatically assume bad intent on behalf of the other family. Maybe, just maybe, they want to hear what you're hearing from your kid and understand it so that they can validate where their kid is creating an issue vs. responding to provocation, and doing so with an open mind, so they can better engage their own kid and provide appropriate guidance for them? And maybe just maybe your own precious angel is subtly provoking the other child with dirty looks or exclusionary behaviors?

I mean, that's what I'd do. Sure, I'd be ready to acknowledge that my child may have behavioral issues to address, but I also wouldn't just take the school's/other parent's feedback at gospel truth... "Oh, someone else said my kid is doing X? Well that must be the WHOLE story, thanks!" So yeah, if I had an opportunity to meet with the other family for an ongoing issue like this, I'd do so... and try to work constructively with them and the school to help resolve it, not just for this instance, but so that it doesn't become a recurring pattern/theme next year and beyond.

And someone even said to bring a lawyer? WTAF is wrong with you people?


The OP owes nothing to the other family. Bad intent or not. Why do you want the OP to do them favors? You are a damn fool.


Who said they owed anything to the other family? Why is that the critiera? In what sense are they doing them a "favor"? Maybe OP is open-minded to learn a different perspective on their own child's behavior than just what their kid is telling them directly. In short, maybe OP is actually a decent human being.


those of us who have BTDT know it is harmful to try to have parents meet. will make the “bully” parents feel bad or defensive; and the “victim” parents feel conflicted (if they like the parents) or just angrier (if parents don’t grovel appropriately). this kind of meeting is always arranged with the subtext that the parents of the “bad” kid will apologize to mollify the parents of the “victim.” But that kind of emotional entanglement is absolutely unrelated to how these kinds of issues actually need to be addressed - which is by the school. I can grovel til the cows come home about the latest thing my kid with ASD did, but it just makes me feel terrible and doesn’t help the other kids, at all.


An apology would be nice. Sorry that it makes you feel bad but you are not the victim and you have no idea what it does or does not mean to them. As parents we are supposed to model proper behavior. Also, it should not be completely handled by the school. There should be some level of personal responsibility involved.


“would be nice to adults I don’t know” is not my concern when trying to raise my kid. But thanks for showing that you see this as a morality play where an injured party receives recompense- which has zero to do with actually helping either kid.


Of course it helps both kids. It teaches them right from wrong, models appropriate behavior, and tells the victim that isn't their fault and shouldn't be happening. All of which have lifelong impacts. It's not about you. Adult up. An apology is not recompense.
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Anonymous wrote:Amazing to me how many of these posts just automatically assume bad intent on behalf of the other family. Maybe, just maybe, they want to hear what you're hearing from your kid and understand it so that they can validate where their kid is creating an issue vs. responding to provocation, and doing so with an open mind, so they can better engage their own kid and provide appropriate guidance for them? And maybe just maybe your own precious angel is subtly provoking the other child with dirty looks or exclusionary behaviors?

I mean, that's what I'd do. Sure, I'd be ready to acknowledge that my child may have behavioral issues to address, but I also wouldn't just take the school's/other parent's feedback at gospel truth... "Oh, someone else said my kid is doing X? Well that must be the WHOLE story, thanks!" So yeah, if I had an opportunity to meet with the other family for an ongoing issue like this, I'd do so... and try to work constructively with them and the school to help resolve it, not just for this instance, but so that it doesn't become a recurring pattern/theme next year and beyond.

And someone even said to bring a lawyer? WTAF is wrong with you people?


The OP owes nothing to the other family. Bad intent or not. Why do you want the OP to do them favors? You are a damn fool.


Who said they owed anything to the other family? Why is that the critiera? In what sense are they doing them a "favor"? Maybe OP is open-minded to learn a different perspective on their own child's behavior than just what their kid is telling them directly. In short, maybe OP is actually a decent human being.


those of us who have BTDT know it is harmful to try to have parents meet. will make the “bully” parents feel bad or defensive; and the “victim” parents feel conflicted (if they like the parents) or just angrier (if parents don’t grovel appropriately). this kind of meeting is always arranged with the subtext that the parents of the “bad” kid will apologize to mollify the parents of the “victim.” But that kind of emotional entanglement is absolutely unrelated to how these kinds of issues actually need to be addressed - which is by the school. I can grovel til the cows come home about the latest thing my kid with ASD did, but it just makes me feel terrible and doesn’t help the other kids, at all.


An apology would be nice. Sorry that it makes you feel bad but you are not the victim and you have no idea what it does or does not mean to them. As parents we are supposed to model proper behavior. Also, it should not be completely handled by the school. There should be some level of personal responsibility involved.


“would be nice to adults I don’t know” is not my concern when trying to raise my kid. But thanks for showing that you see this as a morality play where an injured party receives recompense- which has zero to do with actually helping either kid.


Of course it helps both kids. It teaches them right from wrong, models appropriate behavior, and tells the victim that isn't their fault and shouldn't be happening. All of which have lifelong impacts. It's not about you. Adult up. An apology is not recompense.


They aren't there. And they aren't going to see how their parents behave. Nothing about this meeting is useful.
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Does your kid know about the proposed parent meeting? If so, what do they think about you going to it?
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Anonymous wrote:I would probably go just because I’d be curious as to what they have to say, but that’s just me. I’d also keep my own mouth shut and not saying anything more than some sort of non-committal generalities.


I would be curious too.

When my children have been bullied in the past, I have really only had their word to go on, and I’ve wondered how they were contributing to the situation. Both times this happened, I met with the other parents, heard their perspective, and recognized that these were not reasonable people and my child was not at fault.
Once was a little boy who was threatening my son. Met his parents, and they were rude and threatening and had no insight into why their child was wrong.
The other was a little girl who was encouraging all of the irks in the class not to talk to my daughter. I thought that maybe my daughter had gotten into an argument with this girl and was exaggerating. During this meeting, the girls’ mom mentioned that she was prom queen and her husband was a prominent attorney, then told me that some people just know how to make friends (like her child) and some just don’t. Again, no insight that her child’s behavior was not okay.

Anyway, I found it very helpful to get a better understanding of the situation and to advocate for my child.


The fact is, victims of bullying often create their own bullying. A crude way to put it is to say a kid has a punchable face. More charitably, the kid just doesn’t fit in. A SN kid doesn’t know how to carry himself, or a “regular” kid is just weird. Kids have enough going on just with learning and hormones. They don’t need to worry they’re going to shatter some kids when they’re just experimenting.

So you should attend. Technically the other kids are “at fault”, but yours plays a role. Own it.


Are you a troll? Because that is some amazing victim-blaming. Also, it made no sense. The victim of bullying does not invite bullying by saying he himself has a punchable face, or just doesn't fit in.


DP: I'm a psychologist. Anyone can be bullied. Preventing bullying has a lot more to do with the school context (how adults monitor, how adults encourage students to act--including standing up for others, the consequences for bullying) than anything about your kid who is bullied. And actually a lot of what PP described as triggering bullying (for instance, being "weird" in some way) is far more likely to cause students to be excluded rather than bullied. People are more likely to bully someone they think could encroach on their place in a social hierarchy than someone they perceive to be fully an 'outsider' despite what decades of movie stereotypes show. Since bullying is by definition repeated aggression with intent to harm, the best way to stop it is to firmly address it the first time someone expresses aggression to them (-- the kid who experiences aggression stands firm and tells the kid to stop, ignores it and walks away, defuses the situation with humor or whatever makes sense with their specific individual situation). If it's a minor aggression, that may be enough. If it's more serious let teacher/other adult know and know how you want it handled---separation, consequence for bully, more monitoring depending on age/situation. If it ever happens more than once from the same person, even minor, let teacher/adult know and insist on letting them know how they will monitor it and what they will do if it happens again.

Sometimes people being bullied do bully others. If your kid complains of being the victim of aggression, ask your teacher if your kid has ever shown aggression to others. That's a different situation to handle.

As for OP, I'd want clarification on what this meeting is supposed to accomplish before agreeing to it.


I am not a psychologist but from our experiences we agree. Bullying from what we've seen does seem motivated by social heirarchy jockeying. But, I don't think separation is a particularly useful remedy since the underlying issue is group not invidual dynamics.
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OP, without being confronted by you face to face, the only information the other parents will have of the situation will come from their child.

Now you are leaving schools but in a couple of years the kids might be in high school together, be in the same ECs, have a part time job together etc. That’s the hazard of living in a community. Rectifying the issue now might pay off in the future

Go into the meetings fully prepared that they believe that their angel can’t do any wrong and come armed with all the factual evidence that you have like physical scars or being visibly upset. Force them to see the reality of the situation and to do their jobs as parents.



LOL. Yeaaaah, good luck with “forcing” them to do anything.
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OP, this meeting is very likely for the school's benefit, not yours, not the other family's, not the kids'. As a PP already said, it will allow the school to say, we got the parents together, it was amicable, families at this school talk things out, we're proactive about facilitating discussion here, etc. That's not about your child, it's about the school wanting to create a record that it had this meeting.

Just because you agreed to meet does not mean you now are locked into meeting. No one will punish you or your child somehow if you cancel.

Please listen to the posts above saying that the whole idea of this meeting seems unusual, and like a cover-our-backsides move by the school. You can't have that many weeks of school left. The school knows there's an issue between the kids and anything that happens in the next few weeks is going to be watched (one hopes). A meeting now is not going to have enough time left in the year to alter the bully's behavior. Focus instead on talking up the new school to your child.

I get the idea of being curious what the other parents and/or the school officials would say, I really do. I think it's just a normal human reaction to be curious in this case. I might, at a gut level, be frankly curious about what the bully's parents were like. But I wouldn't let that prod me to say yes to this meeting. It really can't change things, can't change the past bullying for sure, and won't create some magical cure for the other child's behavior this late in the game. You're out of there and don't owe the school or the other family a face to face on this.

I don’t disagree with anything you are saying here, but neither you nor anyone else on here has articulated why the meeting could be harmful to OP or her child. OP doesn’t need to care if the school’s motives are self-serving since she’s leaving, and OP’s child has already put up with the bullying all year, so I expect the family is prepared to accept the meeting won’t change anything. I would want to go just to hear what the school or the other family had to say if for no other reason than to be in a position to share my thoughts about how the school handled it with friends or acquaintances who may be choosing between it and others.

Out of all the reasoning and advise I’ve seen on threads, this one has to be the worst.


+1. Absurd.
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