Definitive Top 25 list

[Anonymous]

A general ranking of colleges and universities is useful only to help stupid judgey people judge stupidly. The ranking that matters is how employers and grad schools in the desired field view the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's always discussion on the forum about what are the top schools and I'm here to help. I combined both the USNews and WSJ rankings to create a more accurate and complete ranking. These two are the most reputable in circulation thus why others weren't used.

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU

Well, UVA is tied with CMU on USNWR for no 25, so I'm gathering your kid didn't get into UVA?

Georgetown (7,300 undergrads) is MUCH more selective than UMich Ann Arbor (31,000 undergrads).

Georgetown REQUIRES test scores and requires ALL scores from everyone you took. It is not on the Common App. 1470 is the avg. SAT score. GU's acceptance rate is 15%

Michigan does not require test scores. It lists 1340 as the SAT score for usual admission. Michigan's acceptance rate is 26%

Georgetown only ranks lower on this list precisely because it is not a common app school and requires test scores.

This list is a scam because it is all about total number of applicants and acceptances. More students apply to some of these schools and fewer to some of the others, but the those applying to 'the fewer' are candidates with higher credentials on average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's always discussion on the forum about what are the top schools and I'm here to help. I combined both the USNews and WSJ rankings to create a more accurate and complete ranking. These two are the most reputable in circulation thus why others weren't used.

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU

Well, UVA is tied with CMU on USNWR for no 25, so I'm gathering your kid didn't get into UVA?

Georgetown (7,300 undergrads) is MUCH more selective than UMich Ann Arbor (31,000 undergrads).

Georgetown REQUIRES test scores and requires ALL scores from everyone you took. It is not on the Common App. 1470 is the avg. SAT score. GU's acceptance rate is 15%

Michigan does not require test scores. It lists 1340 as the SAT score for usual admission. Michigan's acceptance rate is 26%

Georgetown only ranks lower on this list precisely because it is not a common app school and requires test scores.

This list is a scam because it is all about total number of applicants and acceptances. More students apply to some of these schools and fewer to some of the others, but the those applying to 'the fewer' are candidates with higher credentials on average.

+1

I don't think people understand how these lists are generated and the games Universities play to boost the rankings. IT's fascinating if you read up on it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's always discussion on the forum about what are the top schools and I'm here to help. I combined both the USNews and WSJ rankings to create a more accurate and complete ranking. These two are the most reputable in circulation thus why others weren't used.

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU

Well, UVA is tied with CMU on USNWR for no 25, so I'm gathering your kid didn't get into UVA?

Georgetown (7,300 undergrads) is MUCH more selective than UMich Ann Arbor (31,000 undergrads).

Georgetown REQUIRES test scores and requires ALL scores from everyone you took. It is not on the Common App. 1470 is the avg. SAT score. GU's acceptance rate is 15%

Michigan does not require test scores. It lists 1340 as the SAT score for usual admission. Michigan's acceptance rate is 26%

Georgetown only ranks lower on this list precisely because it is not a common app school and requires test scores.

This list is a scam because it is all about total number of applicants and acceptances. More students apply to some of these schools and fewer to some of the others, but the those applying to 'the fewer' are candidates with higher credentials on average.

Seriously. I got into an Ivy and rejected from Georgetown. Most of my Michigan friends didn't even apply to Ivies or Georgetown because they didn't meet their 'averages', but now there are no test scores required UMich--that is a game changer and even lower stats are getting in.

If it is in terms of chances of getting accepted, this list is whacked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's always discussion on the forum about what are the top schools and I'm here to help. I combined both the USNews and WSJ rankings to create a more accurate and complete ranking. These two are the most reputable in circulation thus why others weren't used.

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU

Poor list.
Better one to follow:
1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
1. tie Stanford
1. tie Yale
1. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
7. tie UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Emory
19. Washington U
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
22. tie Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's always discussion on the forum about what are the top schools and I'm here to help. I combined both the USNews and WSJ rankings to create a more accurate and complete ranking. These two are the most reputable in circulation thus why others weren't used.

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU

Poor list.
Better one to follow:
1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
1. tie Stanford
1. tie Yale
1. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
7. tie UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Emory
19. Washington U
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
22. tie Georgetown

5 number 1s is a good list to you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Poor list.
Better one to follow:
1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
1. tie Stanford
1. tie Yale
1. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
7. tie UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Emory
19. Washington U
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
22. tie Georgetown

Switch Notre Dame and Emory, then you got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Poor list.
Better one to follow:
1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
1. tie Stanford
1. tie Yale
1. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
7. tie UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Emory
19. Washington U
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
22. tie Georgetown

Switch Notre Dame and Emory, then you got it.

Tweak
1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
1. tie Stanford
1. tie Yale
1. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
7. tie UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
19. Berkley
20. Emory
20. tie Washington U
20. tie USC
20. tie CMU
20. tie U Michigan
20. tie UCLA
20. tie Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's always discussion on the forum about what are the top schools and I'm here to help. I combined both the USNews and WSJ rankings to create a more accurate and complete ranking. These two are the most reputable in circulation thus why others weren't used.

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU

Poor list.
Better one to follow:
1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
1. tie Stanford
1. tie Yale
1. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
7. tie UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Emory
19. Washington U
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
22. tie Georgetown

5 number 1s is a good list to you?

Whether I like it or not, those 5 HYPSM are the elite of the elites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Switch Notre Dame and Emory, then you got it.

Tweak
1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
1. tie Stanford
1. tie Yale
1. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
7. tie UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
19. Berkley
20. Emory
20. tie Washington U
20. tie USC
20. tie CMU
20. tie U Michigan
20. tie UCLA
20. tie Georgetown

This is a solid list.

UVA NYU and Tufts are solid T30 schools right outside of the Top 25.

[Anonymous]

Both rankings don't even include acceptance rate in there list. And two the rankings won't include test optional until later this year. Remember the rankings are always 1 or 2 years behind. Also Emory also has a 1470 avg before going optional. So do many other schools have higher test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Switch Notre Dame and Emory, then you got it.

Tweak
1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
1. tie Stanford
1. tie Yale
1. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
7. tie UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
19. Berkley
20. Emory
20. tie Washington U
20. tie USC
20. tie CMU
20. tie U Michigan
20. tie UCLA
20. tie Georgetown

This is a solid list.

UVA NYU and Tufts are solid T30 schools right outside of the Top 25.



UNC Chapel hill and Wake Forest too

[Anonymous]

A list with with this many ties is garbage. Ops list is better. And please stop overeating ND.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A list with with this many ties is garbage. Ops list is better. And please stop overeating ND.

Further tweaked to appease the tie garbage person:
1.Harvard
1. tie MIT
1. tie Stanford
1. tie Yale
1. tie Princeton
6. Cal Tech
7. Columbia [got caught cheating on the US News Rankings survey so not exactly sure if they should be even lower]
8. UPenn
9. Duke
10. U Chicago
11. Dartmouth
12. Northwestern
13. Johns Hopkins
14. Brown
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Rice
18. Notre Dame
19. Berkley
20. Emory
21. Washington U
22. USC
23. CMU
24. Georgetown
25. UCLA

Only keeping the HYPSM tie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's always discussion on the forum about what are the top schools and I'm here to help. I combined both the USNews and WSJ rankings to create a more accurate and complete ranking. These two are the most reputable in circulation thus why others weren't used.

1.Harvard
2.MIT
3.Stanford
4.Yale
4. tie Princeton
6. Duke
7. Cal Tech
8. Columbia
8. tie Johns Hopkins
8. tie Northwestern
11. U Chicago
11. tie UPenn
11. tie Brown
14. Dartmouth
15. Cornell
16. Vanderbilt
17. Washington U
18. Rice
19. Emory
20. USC
20. tie CMU
22.Notre Dame
22. tie U Michigan
22. tie UCLA
25. Georgetown
25. NYU

+1 a list with 5 #1s is silly. And frankly Yale and Princeton are on the same level as Harvard or standard.