New TJ Lawsuit Filed 3/10/21 by Pacific Legal Foundation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

Go read upon how Asians were brought to us to work on the railroads and were treated like slaves and killed and raped. Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internment and other atrocities that are not even taught or discussed. Similar for Hispanics.

Yet, Asians and Hispanics are still discriminated against but hardly gets any preferential treatment and in fact Asians are the only group openly and violent Ly attacked and spit on in public. What do you think would happen if blacks were spit on, punched, kicked, stomped, stabbed, hit with hammer and slashed with knife in broad daylight repeatedly over and over for over a year? National guards would be deployed to protect them and national emergency would be declared.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

Go read upon how Asians were brought to us to work on the railroads and were treated like slaves and killed and raped. Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internment and other atrocities that are not even taught or discussed. Similar for Hispanics.

Yet, Asians and Hispanics are still discriminated against but hardly gets any preferential treatment and in fact Asians are the only group openly and violent Ly attacked and spit on in public. What do you think would happen if blacks were spit on, punched, kicked, stomped, stabbed, hit with hammer and slashed with knife in broad daylight repeatedly over and over for over a year? National guards would be deployed to protect them and national emergency would be declared.

This has been happening for 400 years. We have only now begun learning about it because of social media. I suspect the same is true of other groups as well to a lesser extent. But this insistence upon "oppression olympics" is really sad.

The families that are dominating spaces at TJ are not families that were brought here to work on railroads - they chose to come here to seek tech jobs in the Dulles corridor. The families that are systematically excluded from academic spaces like TJ ARE the families that were brought here to pick cotton.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

Go read upon how Asians were brought to us to work on the railroads and were treated like slaves and killed and raped. Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internment and other atrocities that are not even taught or discussed. Similar for Hispanics.

Yet, Asians and Hispanics are still discriminated against but hardly gets any preferential treatment and in fact Asians are the only group openly and violent Ly attacked and spit on in public. What do you think would happen if blacks were spit on, punched, kicked, stomped, stabbed, hit with hammer and slashed with knife in broad daylight repeatedly over and over for over a year? National guards would be deployed to protect them and national emergency would be declared.

This has been happening for 400 years. We have only now begun learning about it because of social media. I suspect the same is true of other groups as well to a lesser extent. But this insistence upon "oppression olympics" is really sad.

The families that are dominating spaces at TJ are not families that were brought here to work on railroads - they chose to come here to seek tech jobs in the Dulles corridor. The families that are systematically excluded from academic spaces like TJ ARE the families that were brought here to pick cotton.

Hundreds of years ago not ten years ago. We had a black president ten years ago.

[Anonymous]

Oh wow.

28% if the class of 2024 came from one prep company. Multiple TJ students stated in public forums that they had an advance copy of the test. This prep center served almost exclusively children of recent and relatively wealthy Indian immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Females seem to have done a pretty good job overcoming their second-class citizen treatment that pretty much started at the beginning of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Females seem to have done a pretty good job overcoming their second-class citizen treatment that pretty much started at the beginning of time.

And yet even they are SIGNIFICANTLY underrepresented at TJ. Not sure you made the point you think you did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

Go read upon how Asians were brought to us to work on the railroads and were treated like slaves and killed and raped. Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internment and other atrocities that are not even taught or discussed. Similar for Hispanics.

Yet, Asians and Hispanics are still discriminated against but hardly gets any preferential treatment and in fact Asians are the only group openly and violent Ly attacked and spit on in public. What do you think would happen if blacks were spit on, punched, kicked, stomped, stabbed, hit with hammer and slashed with knife in broad daylight repeatedly over and over for over a year? National guards would be deployed to protect them and national emergency would be declared.

This has been happening for 400 years. We have only now begun learning about it because of social media. I suspect the same is true of other groups as well to a lesser extent. But this insistence upon "oppression olympics" is really sad.

The families that are dominating spaces at TJ are not families that were brought here to work on railroads - they chose to come here to seek tech jobs in the Dulles corridor. The families that are systematically excluded from academic spaces like TJ ARE the families that were brought here to pick cotton.

Hundreds of years ago not ten years ago. We had a black president ten years ago.

1) There is an Indian-American VP right now

2) The Black president you're referring to was the son of a Black immigrant from Kenya and a white woman from Kansas. You're still not making a relevant point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh wow.

28% if the class of 2024 came from one prep company. Multiple TJ students stated in public forums that they had an advance copy of the test. This prep center served almost exclusively children of recent and relatively wealthy Indian immigrants.

And that is the problem in a nutshell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh wow.

28% if the class of 2024 came from one prep company. Multiple TJ students stated in public forums that they had an advance copy of the test. This prep center served almost exclusively children of recent and relatively wealthy Indian immigrants.

And that is the problem in a nutshell.

They probably learned to cheat from aunt Becky and the other grand masters of cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

NP. PP, I agree with you, but you also illustrate why defining everything in terms of race is intellectually dishonest. There absolutely is a huge difference between coming to this country in search of better opportunities and being brought here as enslaved people and then suffering for years under oppressive laws and policies. However, Black families who immigrated from Africa more recently are thriving here. Attend any public school high school graduation and you will be hit over the head with that fact. This means that being Black alone is not holding all Black people back. There are other factors at play that need to be considered and addressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

NP. PP, I agree with you, but you also illustrate why defining everything in terms of race is intellectually dishonest. There absolutely is a huge difference between coming to this country in search of better opportunities and being brought here as enslaved people and then suffering for years under oppressive laws and policies. However, Black families who immigrated from Africa more recently are thriving here. Attend any public school high school graduation and you will be hit over the head with that fact. This means that being Black alone is not holding all Black people back. There are other factors at play that need to be considered and addressed.

What are those other factors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

NP. PP, I agree with you, but you also illustrate why defining everything in terms of race is intellectually dishonest. There absolutely is a huge difference between coming to this country in search of better opportunities and being brought here as enslaved people and then suffering for years under oppressive laws and policies. However, Black families who immigrated from Africa more recently are thriving here. Attend any public school high school graduation and you will be hit over the head with that fact. This means that being Black alone is not holding all Black people back. There are other factors at play that need to be considered and addressed.

There's a lot to unpack here, and I generally agree. What you're describing is a big part of why understanding the backgrounds of these students is so important. It's not incredibly relevant to understand the hardships that the parents faced - far more important to understand the hardships that the student faces.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh wow.

28% if the class of 2024 came from one prep company. Multiple TJ students stated in public forums that they had an advance copy of the test. This prep center served almost exclusively children of recent and relatively wealthy Indian immigrants.

And that is the problem in a nutshell.

They probably learned to cheat from aunt Becky and the other grand masters of cheating.

Nonsense comment

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh wow.

28% if the class of 2024 came from one prep company. Multiple TJ students stated in public forums that they had an advance copy of the test. This prep center served almost exclusively children of recent and relatively wealthy Indian immigrants.

And that is the problem in a nutshell.

They probably learned to cheat from aunt Becky and the other grand masters of cheating.

Nonsense comment

Hits too close to home for you? We will find out soon since I hear east coast college admissions ring is being investigated based on the information gleaned from the west coast ring investigation.