New TJ Lawsuit Filed 3/10/21 by Pacific Legal Foundation

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Anonymous wrote:Oh wow.

28% if the class of 2024 came from one prep company. Multiple TJ students stated in public forums that they had an advance copy of the test. This prep center served almost exclusively children of recent and relatively wealthy Indian immigrants.

And that is the problem in a nutshell.

They probably learned to cheat from aunt Becky and the other grand masters of cheating.

Nonsense comment

Hits too close to home for you? We will find out soon since I hear east coast college admissions ring is being investigated based on the information gleaned from the west coast ring investigation.

Varsity Blues is hideous too. There's plenty of room for everyone in the realm of ugly cheaters. That doesn't make what happened at Curie any better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh wow.

28% if the class of 2024 came from one prep company. Multiple TJ students stated in public forums that they had an advance copy of the test. This prep center served almost exclusively children of recent and relatively wealthy Indian immigrants.

And that is the problem in a nutshell.

They probably learned to cheat from aunt Becky and the other grand masters of cheating.

Nonsense comment

Hits too close to home for you? We will find out soon since I hear east coast college admissions ring is being investigated based on the information gleaned from the west coast ring investigation.

I hope they are investigating the TJ cheaters, it will be called operation Tiger Mom.

[Anonymous]

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Agree with the PP, these attacks are a distraction from their point which was on the mark. The old process only served a few wealthy families which is not how public monies should be used.

Where is your evidence that most of the kids getting into TJ in previous years were otherwise undeserving kids of wealthy families? I doubt TJ would have the stats and major accomplishments that it does if most of the kids weren't also well deserving of admissions.

I liked the old system because it detected the very top 100-ish kids who absolutely belong at TJ. I dislike the new system because there is no mechanism for detecting those top 100 kids. All kids ranging from somewhat above average to super geniuses will look the same in the new application process. A hybrid approach would be great, where some amount of testing, teacher recommendations, etc could be used to find the top 100 kids, and then the rest of the spots are allocated in whatever way to each middle school. I just want to make sure those very top kids get in.

Teacher recs aren't consistent or reliable. I'm all for testing as long as each MS gets a number if seats based on it's population to help minimize the impact of prep and give a fair chance to everyone.

Translated - As long as you guarantee my self-serving outcome, I don’t care for the process. How low can you go? You should just remove this equity veneer and come clean on what this is all about.

Completely agree people defending the old system don't really care about fairness are only interested in a self-serving outcome namely a system that is easily gamed by prep classes.

Not defending the old system. But you can’t defend a wrong with a wrong. There are deserving non-prepped kids who will lose out. FCPS has all the resources to solve this seemingly intractable issue. But they do what is expedient and serves Braband’s political masters.

Don’t shed tears for the economically advantaged. They will always have options. The ones who suffer will be folks less advantaged and in this case it will be disproportionately Asian families. But they are low on the totem pole when it comes to races that matter. Good for you and Braband’s masters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh wow.

28% if the class of 2024 came from one prep company. Multiple TJ students stated in public forums that they had an advance copy of the test. This prep center served almost exclusively children of recent and relatively wealthy Indian immigrants.

And that is the problem in a nutshell.

They probably learned to cheat from aunt Becky and the other grand masters of cheating.

Nonsense comment

Hits too close to home for you? We will find out soon since I hear east coast college admissions ring is being investigated based on the information gleaned from the west coast ring investigation.

I hope they are investigating the TJ cheaters, it will be called operation Tiger Mom.

Unfortunately, the investigation is related to college admissions cheating by parents of snowflakes who doesn’t want to attend slacs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh wow.

28% if the class of 2024 came from one prep company. Multiple TJ students stated in public forums that they had an advance copy of the test. This prep center served almost exclusively children of recent and relatively wealthy Indian immigrants.

And that is the problem in a nutshell.

They probably learned to cheat from aunt Becky and the other grand masters of cheating.

Nonsense comment

Hits too close to home for you? We will find out soon since I hear east coast college admissions ring is being investigated based on the information gleaned from the west coast ring investigation.

I hope they are investigating the TJ cheaters, it will be called operation Tiger Mom.

Unfortunately, the investigation is related to college admissions cheating by parents of snowflakes who doesn’t want to attend slacs.

There are a lot of TJ students who would be well-served by attending SLACs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

You are then stigmatizing the blacks who get in as less qualified, plus putting in less qualified people and having them try and perform in a harder setting. Harvard can get all the top blacks. Then the rest of the colleges are dealing with students who should be in a lower tier. And the tier below that like UNC has people who should be in an even lower tier college.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

You are then stigmatizing the blacks who get in as less qualified, plus putting in less qualified people and having them try and perform in a harder setting. Harvard can get all the top blacks. Then the rest of the colleges are dealing with students who should be in a lower tier. And the tier below that like UNC has people who should be in an even lower tier college.

The above commenter has absolutely no idea how anything works and is babbling incoherently while spewing deep racism. -1000

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

Go read upon how Asians were brought to us to work on the railroads and were treated like slaves and killed and raped. Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internment and other atrocities that are not even taught or discussed. Similar for Hispanics.

Yet, Asians and Hispanics are still discriminated against but hardly gets any preferential treatment and in fact Asians are the only group openly and violent Ly attacked and spit on in public. What do you think would happen if blacks were spit on, punched, kicked, stomped, stabbed, hit with hammer and slashed with knife in broad daylight repeatedly over and over for over a year? National guards would be deployed to protect them and national emergency would be declared.

Ain’t that the truth.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

Go read upon how Asians were brought to us to work on the railroads and were treated like slaves and killed and raped. Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internment and other atrocities that are not even taught or discussed. Similar for Hispanics.

Yet, Asians and Hispanics are still discriminated against but hardly gets any preferential treatment and in fact Asians are the only group openly and violent Ly attacked and spit on in public. What do you think would happen if blacks were spit on, punched, kicked, stomped, stabbed, hit with hammer and slashed with knife in broad daylight repeatedly over and over for over a year? National guards would be deployed to protect them and national emergency would be declared.

Ain’t that the truth.

No, it isn't. And if you think it is, you're living under a rock.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

Go read upon how Asians were brought to us to work on the railroads and were treated like slaves and killed and raped. Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internment and other atrocities that are not even taught or discussed. Similar for Hispanics.

Yet, Asians and Hispanics are still discriminated against but hardly gets any preferential treatment and in fact Asians are the only group openly and violent Ly attacked and spit on in public. What do you think would happen if blacks were spit on, punched, kicked, stomped, stabbed, hit with hammer and slashed with knife in broad daylight repeatedly over and over for over a year? National guards would be deployed to protect them and national emergency would be declared.

Ain’t that the truth.

No, it isn't. And if you think it is, you're living under a rock.

And the media would cover it 24 hours 7 days a week with special reports each night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

Go read upon how Asians were brought to us to work on the railroads and were treated like slaves and killed and raped. Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internment and other atrocities that are not even taught or discussed. Similar for Hispanics.

Yet, Asians and Hispanics are still discriminated against but hardly gets any preferential treatment and in fact Asians are the only group openly and violent Ly attacked and spit on in public. What do you think would happen if blacks were spit on, punched, kicked, stomped, stabbed, hit with hammer and slashed with knife in broad daylight repeatedly over and over for over a year? National guards would be deployed to protect them and national emergency would be declared.

Ain’t that the truth.

No, it isn't. And if you think it is, you're living under a rock.

And the media would cover it 24 hours 7 days a week with special reports each night.

They have enough to deal with in Black folks getting shot and killed by police in the streets and in their own homes for literally no reason. Be glad you don't have to tell your kids not to get shot by officers of the state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

Go read upon how Asians were brought to us to work on the railroads and were treated like slaves and killed and raped. Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internment and other atrocities that are not even taught or discussed. Similar for Hispanics.

Yet, Asians and Hispanics are still discriminated against but hardly gets any preferential treatment and in fact Asians are the only group openly and violent Ly attacked and spit on in public. What do you think would happen if blacks were spit on, punched, kicked, stomped, stabbed, hit with hammer and slashed with knife in broad daylight repeatedly over and over for over a year? National guards would be deployed to protect them and national emergency would be declared.

Ain’t that the truth.

No, it isn't. And if you think it is, you're living under a rock.

And the media would cover it 24 hours 7 days a week with special reports each night.

They have enough to deal with in Black folks getting shot and killed by police in the streets and in their own homes for literally no reason. Be glad you don't have to tell your kids not to get shot by officers of the state.

They would get shot just as much if they acted belligerently and physically. The difference would be the media would pay no attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

Hispanics and Asians have faced similar obstacles and struggles and many times their struggles and suffering are not amplified like the obstacles of blacks.

America harbors a fair amount of hatred for Hispanics and Asians, but it doesn't even hold a candle to the hatred that they hold for Black folks.

Most of the Hispanic and Asian families who are here in America chose to come here seeking greater opportunity than what they had in their home countries.

There are some Black families who did the same - recent immigrants mostly from East Africa and some from Nigeria. The overwhelming majority of the Black kids at TJ fall into this category.

But most Black families in America were brought here. They were brought here in bondage and remained in bondage for hundreds of years. That's just different. Yes, we placed Asian Americans in internment camps once upon a time, and yes, that's horrible - but we're talking about literal ENSLAVEMENT for centuries. We're talking about codified second-class citizenship for decades.

That's why their struggles and suffering are amplified. And that's why your comment, which I'm sure you'll double down on, is incredibly tone-deaf.

Go read upon how Asians were brought to us to work on the railroads and were treated like slaves and killed and raped. Chinese exclusion act, Japanese internment and other atrocities that are not even taught or discussed. Similar for Hispanics.

Yet, Asians and Hispanics are still discriminated against but hardly gets any preferential treatment and in fact Asians are the only group openly and violent Ly attacked and spit on in public. What do you think would happen if blacks were spit on, punched, kicked, stomped, stabbed, hit with hammer and slashed with knife in broad daylight repeatedly over and over for over a year? National guards would be deployed to protect them and national emergency would be declared.

Ain’t that the truth.

No, it isn't. And if you think it is, you're living under a rock.

And the media would cover it 24 hours 7 days a week with special reports each night.

They have enough to deal with in Black folks getting shot and killed by police in the streets and in their own homes for literally no reason. Be glad you don't have to tell your kids not to get shot by officers of the state.

They would get shot just as much if they acted belligerently and physically. The difference would be the media would pay no attention.

^ overt racism, keep telling on yourself

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

You are then stigmatizing the blacks who get in as less qualified, plus putting in less qualified people and having them try and perform in a harder setting. Harvard can get all the top blacks. Then the rest of the colleges are dealing with students who should be in a lower tier. And the tier below that like UNC has people who should be in an even lower tier college.

The above commenter has absolutely no idea how anything works and is babbling incoherently while spewing deep racism. -1000

'Deep racism'? Look up college mismatch thesis to learn more. Asking colleges to fix problems of lower level education systems which have their own problems with this systemic racism, inevitably leads to the same results.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This country and society are rooted in racism, so to fix the problems we now have, we can’t be race neutral or race blind. I think a lot of the people who have problems with the admissions changes don’t even really understand the history of systemic racism in the US. You can’t treat an entire group of humans as less than for centuries and then say “oh, the system is fair.” No, it’s not fair. Literally nothing in this country is fair for Black people who have to overcome far more obstacles than others. They are not starting from the same starting line; it’s as if everyone else has a head start in a race. And it doesn’t matter if you don’t consider yourself to be affluent; if you are not Black, you will not face the same obstacles.

You are then stigmatizing the blacks who get in as less qualified, plus putting in less qualified people and having them try and perform in a harder setting. Harvard can get all the top blacks. Then the rest of the colleges are dealing with students who should be in a lower tier. And the tier below that like UNC has people who should be in an even lower tier college.

The above commenter has absolutely no idea how anything works and is babbling incoherently while spewing deep racism. -1000

'Deep racism'? Look up college mismatch thesis to learn more. Asking colleges to fix problems of lower level education systems which have their own problems with this systemic racism, inevitably leads to the same results.

1) I would imagine that we are in agreement that working to help fix these issues at the high school level is better than working to fix them at the college level

2) No one who is pro-reform is arguing that we should abandon working to solve issues at the PreK-8 level as well. But leaving generations of students behind while we wait for results doesn't work either and serves to deepen the status quo.