How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Trump cancels trip to Davos citing government shutdown, which would suggest that he expects it to still be going on at least another 10 days.”
- Peter Baker, NYT

Scary. Things are already crumbling.

[Anonymous]

All part of the Steve Bannon plan. Destroy all you can of the Government. And he's succeeding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So. much. winning.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/republican-senators-government-shutdown-1096118

On the 20th day of the shutdown, the GOP group tried to jump start bipartisan talks before Trump declares a national emergency to get his wall. But the president rejected their idea to allow congressional committees to sort out his border wall request while the government reopened, deeming the idea likely to leave him with nothing to show for the shutdown.


Vice President Mike Pence and acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney had been consulting with senators about the matter on Thursday. Pence and Mulvaney took the idea to the president, who shot it down, according to multiple people directly involved in the talks. While the congressional committees could still take up Trump's border wall plan, the president opposes the idea of opening the government before serious wall negotiations have begun, the people said. He told Senate Republicans he believes he is winning the fight and will not sign any stopgap bills at this point.

"I think we're stuck. I just don't see a pathway forward. I don't see a way forward," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who had been leading the effort. "I have never been more depressed about moving forward than I am right now. I just don’t see a pathway forward."

It seems like Graham gave up because shortly after that article are ones where he’s telling Trump to declare a national emergency.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/lindsey-graham-wall-emergency-powers/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fsearch%2F%3Fq%3DGraham

At this point I almost think he’s decided our options are permanent shutdown or national emergency declaration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So. much. winning.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/10/republican-senators-government-shutdown-1096118

On the 20th day of the shutdown, the GOP group tried to jump start bipartisan talks before Trump declares a national emergency to get his wall. But the president rejected their idea to allow congressional committees to sort out his border wall request while the government reopened, deeming the idea likely to leave him with nothing to show for the shutdown.


Vice President Mike Pence and acting Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney had been consulting with senators about the matter on Thursday. Pence and Mulvaney took the idea to the president, who shot it down, according to multiple people directly involved in the talks. While the congressional committees could still take up Trump's border wall plan, the president opposes the idea of opening the government before serious wall negotiations have begun, the people said. He told Senate Republicans he believes he is winning the fight and will not sign any stopgap bills at this point.

"I think we're stuck. I just don't see a pathway forward. I don't see a way forward," said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who had been leading the effort. "I have never been more depressed about moving forward than I am right now. I just don’t see a pathway forward."

It seems like Graham gave up because shortly after that article are ones where he’s telling Trump to declare a national emergency.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/01/10/politics/lindsey-graham-wall-emergency-powers/index.html?r=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2Fsearch%2F%3Fq%3DGraham

At this point I almost think he’s decided our options are permanent shutdown or national emergency declaration.

Yeah, this article thinks he'll do a national emergency too, even though plenty of people on both sides have questions about its legality.
https://www.mcall.com/opinion/mc-opi-shutdown-end-how-emergency-trump-20190110-story.html

[Anonymous]

Is it naive of me to think he will declare a national emergency- then government will reopen?

[Anonymous]

I don't think Trump cares about the legality of declaring a national emergency, and it is his only way out of this. And it is the type of bold move his base would love.

Would it be struck down by the courts? Eh, some commentators seem sure that it would, others say that he would be on solid ground. In any event, the court challenges would take years.

I just wish he would get it over with so we could go back to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it naive of me to think he will declare a national emergency- then government will reopen?

Nope. Trump will do this Saturday or Monday. Then he can claim he caused “the longest most tremendous shutdown ever.” Since Dems wouldn’t budge he made the hard choice to call national emergency, then they reopen gov. This will be stuck in courts, nothing will happen and we move on.

This is Trumps playbook.

[Anonymous]

So, if it's obvious that Trump had the legal right to build the wall without Congress, why hasn't he done it already? Why wasn't MAGA-world telling him to do it in January 2017? Hint: Because everyone knows the emergency declaration is baseless.

-David Frum

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it naive of me to think he will declare a national emergency- then government will reopen?

Nope. Trump will do this Saturday or Monday. Then he can claim he caused “the longest most tremendous shutdown ever.” Since Dems wouldn’t budge he made the hard choice to call national emergency, then they reopen gov. This will be stuck in courts, nothing will happen and we move on.

This is Trumps playbook.

He painted himself into a corner. Congress doesn’t support the wall or they would have passed it when they control Congress. Declaring an emergency is his only way out of this mess. It will die in the courts and he will move onto another manufactured crisis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“Trump cancels trip to Davos citing government shutdown, which would suggest that he expects it to still be going on at least another 10 days.”
- Peter Baker, NYT

Nah, he just figured he’d use it as an excuse to get out of work while he can. He is itching to get back on the golf course. That’s where he will be at that time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it naive of me to think he will declare a national emergency- then government will reopen?

Not naive at all. This is his only way out. Declare an emergency so that he can finally hit the links again. The courts will be mulling it over. He will return from his golf outing and promptly create a diversion for his base so that everyone forgets about the whole thing. When/if pressed about it, he will say the liberal courts are obstructing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Trump cares about the legality of declaring a national emergency, and it is his only way out of this. And it is the type of bold move his base would love.

Would it be struck down by the courts? Eh, some commentators seem sure that it would, others say that he would be on solid ground. In any event, the court challenges would take years.

I just wish he would get it over with so we could go back to work.

This is not a bold move. It is narcissistic reality TV that his base loves.

The fact that the wall was not an issue until this year (when GOP had the congress completely, the fact that he admitted that he lied during campaign and his base ate the shit anyway and the fact that emergency declaration will still not have the wall (because of being tied in the court for years) says that his base likes drama. Cult45 does not care about any solution, otherwise he would have taken the deal year ago when Schumer offered him 25B in exchange for DACA impasse resolution.

His base can go to hell!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think Trump cares about the legality of declaring a national emergency, and it is his only way out of this. And it is the type of bold move his base would love.

Would it be struck down by the courts? Eh, some commentators seem sure that it would, others say that he would be on solid ground. In any event, the court challenges would take years.

I just wish he would get it over with so we could go back to work.

This is not a bold move. It is narcissistic reality TV that his base loves.

The fact that the wall was not an issue until this year (when GOP had the congress completely, the fact that he admitted that he lied during campaign and his base ate the shit anyway and the fact that emergency declaration will still not have the wall (because of being tied in the court for years) says that his base likes drama. Cult45 does not care about any solution, otherwise he would have taken the deal year ago when Schumer offered him 25B in exchange for DACA impasse resolution.

His base can go to hell!

I’m trying to practice kindness but I 1000% agree.

[Anonymous]

It's terrible precedent, whether it succeeds or fails. Rs know this.

Ugh.

[Anonymous]

This shutdown will only help Trump in 2020. He is willing to negotiate, the Dems say no and I predict not only does he win the electoral college, he gets the majority of the vote. The Democratic party is being run by its fringe and America leans center right.