Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

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Look, people. Privileged white (racist) people will react negatively in the college arena to those they believe can compete with them. First, that was Jews (who are also white, I know). Now, it’s Asians.

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

^^^ And remember, in the 1940s, the free New York City College had tons of poor Jewish boys enrolled - lots of really smart ones in the engineering program, for sure! - and then they came home on the subway every evening to their poor immigrant parents' crying over their lost grandparents and siblings. Why can't you say that these poor Jews deserve a lot of credit for improving their lot in life - in the midst of unspeakable horror enveloping their families, strictly due to unfathimable prejudice?

Why can't liberals give Jews credit for their positive traits of motivation, discipline, and willingness to sacrifice for a better future? Are you that angry that a persecuted people can rise above the bigotry and succeed regardless - due to their own choices?

So they were free (not enslaved) and had the opportunity to go to college (including free college)? Seems like they had choices.

Many immigrants (self-selected group of motivated hard workers) faced discrimination and were able to succeed.

Not sure why you think this parallels the history and experiences of black Americans.

HUh? You're saying Jews had opportunities to go to college in 1940, and blacks don't currently? Jews were prohibited from many of the IVYs, whereas blacks today get a bump-up. Anyway, the point is that Jews still did well in school and went on to college DURING the Holocaust! You think living under the torment that Jews are considered sub-human and are being slaughtered across the ocean doesn't damage your psyche?

And what's with "so the Jews were free,,...not enslaved" sh!t?! Sure, let's poo-poo the impact of the Holocaust on Jews LIVING DIRING THAT TIME. And you're saying blacks today are enslaved? WTH? It's like talking to a wall. Admit it. Admit it. Jews were losing their family members left and right to Hitler - their mothers were gassed, their grandparents were gassed, their cousins and siblings and nieces and nephews were gassed, and they waited and waited and waited for postcards that never came, and in the midst of all that hatred - they STILL were able to succeed.

What I hear you saying is that sure.....Jews were only rounded up, put in concentration camps, and murdered by the millions, but at least they weren't enslaved like blacks were. Do you liberals even hear yourself? You're so angry at those GD Jews for daring to be successful a single generation after their families were murdered in the Holocaust. You'd prefer if the Jews were bringing up the bottom.

Why are you forcing a comparison between Jewish people in 1940 vs. black Americans today? Why do you think their histories and experiences are comparable? I don't.

And every time I try to bring up differences in those histories and experiences, you claim anti-Semitism. It's a tired manipulation that just makes your motivations suspect.

Off course it's not comparable. African Americans weren't oppressed for 3000 years.

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This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway:
"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support:
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians)
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

Not just single motherhood, but single parenthood, in general, is a major cause of poverty. It does not take rocket science to figure out that a single parent has less time and money to raise a child versus a two-parent household. Most of the single-parent households in the US are single mothers, and therefore they tend to draw the highlight. This author's suggestion is like telling people that rather than blaming smoking for poor health, we should support smokers in dealing with their lung diseases. This is an asinine assertion.

When they are born smoking it's difficult to quit that situation.

And yet the solution even then is to provide support to quit the addiction, rather than argue that we should enable it further.

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This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway:
"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support:
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians)
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

Not just single motherhood, but single parenthood, in general, is a major cause of poverty. It does not take rocket science to figure out that a single parent has less time and money to raise a child versus a two-parent household. Most of the single-parent households in the US are single mothers, and therefore they tend to draw the highlight. This author's suggestion is like telling people that rather than blaming smoking for poor health, we should support smokers in dealing with their lung diseases. This is an asinine assertion.

When they are born smoking it's difficult to quit that situation.

And yet the solution even then is to provide support to quit the addiction, rather than argue that we should enable it further.

No, “quit” by providing birth control and education/support.

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

^^^ And remember, in the 1940s, the free New York City College had tons of poor Jewish boys enrolled - lots of really smart ones in the engineering program, for sure! - and then they came home on the subway every evening to their poor immigrant parents' crying over their lost grandparents and siblings. Why can't you say that these poor Jews deserve a lot of credit for improving their lot in life - in the midst of unspeakable horror enveloping their families, strictly due to unfathimable prejudice?

Why can't liberals give Jews credit for their positive traits of motivation, discipline, and willingness to sacrifice for a better future? Are you that angry that a persecuted people can rise above the bigotry and succeed regardless - due to their own choices?

So they were free (not enslaved) and had the opportunity to go to college (including free college)? Seems like they had choices.

Many immigrants (self-selected group of motivated hard workers) faced discrimination and were able to succeed.

Not sure why you think this parallels the history and experiences of black Americans.

HUh? You're saying Jews had opportunities to go to college in 1940, and blacks don't currently? Jews were prohibited from many of the IVYs, whereas blacks today get a bump-up. Anyway, the point is that Jews still did well in school and went on to college DURING the Holocaust! You think living under the torment that Jews are considered sub-human and are being slaughtered across the ocean doesn't damage your psyche?

And what's with "so the Jews were free,,...not enslaved" sh!t?! Sure, let's poo-poo the impact of the Holocaust on Jews LIVING DIRING THAT TIME. And you're saying blacks today are enslaved? WTH? It's like talking to a wall. Admit it. Admit it. Jews were losing their family members left and right to Hitler - their mothers were gassed, their grandparents were gassed, their cousins and siblings and nieces and nephews were gassed, and they waited and waited and waited for postcards that never came, and in the midst of all that hatred - they STILL were able to succeed.

What I hear you saying is that sure.....Jews were only rounded up, put in concentration camps, and murdered by the millions, but at least they weren't enslaved like blacks were. Do you liberals even hear yourself? You're so angry at those GD Jews for daring to be successful a single generation after their families were murdered in the Holocaust. You'd prefer if the Jews were bringing up the bottom.

Why are you forcing a comparison between Jewish people in 1940 vs. black Americans today? Why do you think their histories and experiences are comparable? I don't.

And every time I try to bring up differences in those histories and experiences, you claim anti-Semitism. It's a tired manipulation that just makes your motivations suspect.

Off course it's not comparable. African Americans weren't oppressed for 3000 years.

And how about the black America history? Why can’t you acknowledge that history?

[Anonymous]

Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

I do not think it is ok there or anywhere else

I am sick of the posters claiming that Jews suffered more therefore they are right

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Anonymous wrote:Look, people. Privileged white (racist) people will react negatively in the college arena to those they believe can compete with them. First, that was Jews (who are also white, I know). Now, it’s Asians.

It’s more born of a paternalistic mentality that assumes blacks and browns can’t compete on their own merits so Master has to hand out handicaps.....Asians are just collateral damage.

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Anonymous wrote:Look, people. Privileged white (racist) people will react negatively in the college arena to those they believe can compete with them. First, that was Jews (who are also white, I know). Now, it’s Asians.

It’s more born of a paternalistic mentality that assumes blacks and browns can’t compete on their own merits so Master has to hand out handicaps.....Asians are just collateral damage.

Aren't you a little bit ignorant

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Americans are crazy

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

I do not think it is ok there or anywhere else

I am sick of the posters claiming that Jews suffered more therefore they are right

Not a single poster has claimed that Jews suffered more, although that of course could be debated. Certainly the Holocaust, in which Jews were deemed sub-human and gassed to death by the millions, is horrendous beyond words.

No, the point being made about Jews is in response to liberals who keep saying that the only reason that blacks have been less successful, collectively, is due to prejudice and bigotry. Jews, despite millennia of prejudice, have succeeded. Even less than one generation after their families were murdered for being Jewish, they went from poor immigrant to middle-class college graduate or successful business owner. Thus, the point is that you can't claim that prejudice alone explains lack of success. Jews have revealed that, and that's why there's so much resentment toward them: they dispel the liberal myth that "it's always someone else's fault."

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

I do not think it is ok there or anywhere else

I am sick of the posters claiming that Jews suffered more therefore they are right

Not a single poster has claimed that Jews suffered more, although that of course could be debated. Certainly the Holocaust, in which Jews were deemed sub-human and gassed to death by the millions, is horrendous beyond words.

No, the point being made about Jews is in response to liberals who keep saying that the only reason that blacks have been less successful, collectively, is due to prejudice and bigotry. Jews, despite millennia of prejudice, have succeeded. Even less than one generation after their families were murdered for being Jewish, they went from poor immigrant to middle-class college graduate or successful business owner. Thus, the point is that you can't claim that prejudice alone explains lack of success. Jews have revealed that, and that's why there's so much resentment toward them: they dispel the liberal myth that "it's always someone else's fault."

What are all of the challenges that black people have faced and do face today?

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

I do not think it is ok there or anywhere else

I am sick of the posters claiming that Jews suffered more therefore they are right

Not a single poster has claimed that Jews suffered more, although that of course could be debated. Certainly the Holocaust, in which Jews were deemed sub-human and gassed to death by the millions, is horrendous beyond words.

No, the point being made about Jews is in response to liberals who keep saying that the only reason that blacks have been less successful, collectively, is due to prejudice and bigotry. Jews, despite millennia of prejudice, have succeeded. Even less than one generation after their families were murdered for being Jewish, they went from poor immigrant to middle-class college graduate or successful business owner. Thus, the point is that you can't claim that prejudice alone explains lack of success. Jews have revealed that, and that's why there's so much resentment toward them: they dispel the liberal myth that "it's always someone else's fault."

What are all of the challenges that black people have faced and do face today?

Please, enough of this
Jews were not brought to America as slaves
There is no need for anyone to feel pity for a privileged small ethnic minority
There are people suffering today in America

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

I do not think it is ok there or anywhere else

I am sick of the posters claiming that Jews suffered more therefore they are right

Not a single poster has claimed that Jews suffered more, although that of course could be debated. Certainly the Holocaust, in which Jews were deemed sub-human and gassed to death by the millions, is horrendous beyond words.

No, the point being made about Jews is in response to liberals who keep saying that the only reason that blacks have been less successful, collectively, is due to prejudice and bigotry. Jews, despite millennia of prejudice, have succeeded. Even less than one generation after their families were murdered for being Jewish, they went from poor immigrant to middle-class college graduate or successful business owner. Thus, the point is that you can't claim that prejudice alone explains lack of success. Jews have revealed that, and that's why there's so much resentment toward them: they dispel the liberal myth that "it's always someone else's fault."

What are all of the challenges that black people have faced and do face today?

Please, enough of this
Jews were not brought to America as slaves
There is no need for anyone to feel pity for a privileged small ethnic minority
There are people suffering today in America

And there's that resentment! How DARE these Jews suffer from the Holocaust, watch their close family murders die, and then a generation later have sent their kids to college - and a generation after that, they're lawyers and doctors?! Why can't they just be unsuccessful so we can show how bigotry keeps people down?

And no, Jews were not brought to America as slaves. Half of them were killed off completely. You should respect that Jews overcame that history (RECENT history) and proved that the most extreme form of prejudice cannot hold people down.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how most Americans think slavery is ok in China today.

I do not think it is ok there or anywhere else

I am sick of the posters claiming that Jews suffered more therefore they are right

Not a single poster has claimed that Jews suffered more, although that of course could be debated. Certainly the Holocaust, in which Jews were deemed sub-human and gassed to death by the millions, is horrendous beyond words.

No, the point being made about Jews is in response to liberals who keep saying that the only reason that blacks have been less successful, collectively, is due to prejudice and bigotry. Jews, despite millennia of prejudice, have succeeded. Even less than one generation after their families were murdered for being Jewish, they went from poor immigrant to middle-class college graduate or successful business owner. Thus, the point is that you can't claim that prejudice alone explains lack of success. Jews have revealed that, and that's why there's so much resentment toward them: they dispel the liberal myth that "it's always someone else's fault."

What are all of the challenges that black people have faced and do face today?

Please, enough of this
Jews were not brought to America as slaves
There is no need for anyone to feel pity for a privileged small ethnic minority
There are people suffering today in America

And why, to use your phrase, are the Jews "a privileged small ethnic minority?" How could they be, according to your theory that bigotry accounts for lack of success, when they have been persecuted for millennia? Because they worked hard, didn't have children out of wedlock, and sacrificed tremendously to go to college.

It's almost ironic. On one hand, you're saying that blacks are less successful and deserve special treatment because they have been victimized by bigotry, and then in the other you're saying the Jews, who also have been victimized by bigotry, are a privileged small ethnic minority.

(And I don't know that Jews are an ethnic minority in any event. They are a religious minority.)