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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

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You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?[/quote]
Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through [b]their positive traits [/b]and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

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Please describe the “traits” of black people.

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They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life. [/quote]
^^^ And remember, in the 1940s, the free New York City College had tons of poor Jewish boys enrolled - lots of really smart ones in the engineering program, for sure!  - and then they came home on the subway every evening to their poor immigrant parents' crying over their lost grandparents and siblings. Why can't you say that these poor Jews deserve a lot of credit for improving their lot in life - in the midst of unspeakable horror enveloping their families, strictly due to unfathimable prejudice?

Why can't liberals give Jews credit for their positive traits of motivation, discipline, and willingness to sacrifice for a better future? Are you that angry that a persecuted people can rise above the bigotry and succeed regardless - due to their own choices?

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So they were free (not enslaved) and had the opportunity to go to college (including free college)? Seems like they had choices.

Many immigrants (self-selected group of motivated hard workers) faced discrimination and were able to succeed.

Not sure why you think this parallels the history and experiences of black Americans.

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HUh? You're saying Jews had opportunities to go to college in 1940, and blacks don't currently? Jews were prohibited from many of the IVYs, whereas blacks today get a bump-up. Anyway, the point is that Jews still did well in school and went on to college DURING the Holocaust! You think living under the torment that Jews are considered sub-human and are being slaughtered across the ocean doesn't damage your psyche?

And what's with "so the Jews were free,,...not enslaved" sh!t?! Sure, let's poo-poo the impact of the Holocaust on Jews LIVING DIRING THAT TIME. And you're saying blacks today are enslaved? WTH? It's like talking to a wall. Admit it. Admit it. Jews were losing their family members left and right to Hitler - their mothers were gassed, their grandparents were gassed, their cousins and siblings and nieces and nephews were gassed, and they waited and waited and waited for postcards that never came, and in the midst of all that hatred - they STILL were able to succeed.

What I hear you saying is that sure.....Jews were only rounded up, put in concentration camps, and murdered by the millions, but at least they weren't enslaved like blacks were. Do you liberals even hear yourself? You're so angry at those GD Jews for daring to be successful a single generation after their families were murdered in the Holocaust. You'd prefer if the Jews were bringing up the bottom.

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Why are you forcing a comparison between Jewish people in 1940 vs. black Americans today? Why do you think their histories and experiences are comparable? I don't.

And every time I try to bring up differences in those histories and experiences, you claim anti-Semitism. It's a tired manipulation that just makes your motivations suspect.

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Off course it's not comparable. African Americans weren't oppressed for 3000 years.[/quote]

And how about the black America history? Why can’t you acknowledge that history? 
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