Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, enough.

Leave it to the education experts to wade through. Education should never be a political issue and maybe the states need to deal with their own special issues complying with the federal regulations already on them.

We already have politics over income levels as an barrier to higher education and it breaks my heart.

Enough.

Affirmative action inextricably links education with politics. I agree with you that we should not play political games with education. I'd be in favor of abolishing affirmative action from education altogether. Education should be a merit-based process. The color of your skin should not matter. The fact that someone is Asian should not cause them to lose a spot to a black person.

Asian applicants are losing their spots to white people.

If saying that makes you feel better than so be it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see adding an economic aspect to it but we aren’t even close when it comes to racial equality. The lingering effects of systematic racism will take a long time to diminish.

So you're saying that we should continue to favor blacks over poor, disadvantaged whites until blacks mas a whole achieve "racial equality?"

And how is that measured? When blacks have the same net worth as whites? That will be impossible as long as blacks continue to have a 75% out-of-wedlock birth rate. You can't ignore personal behavior that leads to poverty, and say "let's keep giving mediocre blacks from middle class families preferential treatment over high-achieving poor whites until the average net worth of blacks is the same as whites."

Ahhh, it was going to come out eventually. Was just wondering how long. If those aren’t stereotypes I don’t know what is. I work for a membership organization of the most senior black executives in corporate America. We now have the studies that show in order for black people to succeed, they must significantly exceed metrics used to rate black and white candidates. They outpace their white counterparts consistently. Lots of data out there. You wouldn’t know because you are clearly perpetuating historical racist tropes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You clearly didn’t read the 1619 Project. Learn some history. Get over yourself. Black people aren’t taking anything away from you.

Huh? BLack kids with mediocre grades who get into college over better-scoring poor whites are indeed taking something away from those poor whotes: a chance to go to college and move out of a lower-class existence doe the rest of his life.

You need to at least admit that when black kids with a C average get into college over a white kid with a B average, they are indeed taking something away. You are not ENTITLED to affirmative action for generating after generation. The least you could do is say "thank you" to the white kids being displaced.

So misinformed and ignorant. Given the very low percentage of black people at many schools, the reality is that 1) the black kid may offer more - like grit and 2) the other white kids are taking your slots, not black kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, enough.

Leave it to the education experts to wade through. Education should never be a political issue and maybe the states need to deal with their own special issues complying with the federal regulations already on them.

We already have politics over income levels as an barrier to higher education and it breaks my heart.

Enough.

Affirmative action inextricably links education with politics. I agree with you that we should not play political games with education. I'd be in favor of abolishing affirmative action from education altogether. Education should be a merit-based process. The color of your skin should not matter. The fact that someone is Asian should not cause them to lose a spot to a black person.

Asian applicants are losing their spots to white people.

How is this possible considering the tiny percentage of blacks at elite colleges. Our 5 spots are really affecting you. Maybe you are just not that good or impressive outside of your scores.

Nope.

They are losing their spots to everyone else because of a system designed, in practice, to help wealthy blacks.

How is this possible considering the tiny percentage of blacks at elite colleges. Our 5 spots are really affecting you. Maybe you are just not that good or impressive outside of your scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, enough.

Leave it to the education experts to wade through. Education should never be a political issue and maybe the states need to deal with their own special issues complying with the federal regulations already on them.

We already have politics over income levels as an barrier to higher education and it breaks my heart.

Enough.

Affirmative action inextricably links education with politics. I agree with you that we should not play political games with education. I'd be in favor of abolishing affirmative action from education altogether. Education should be a merit-based process. The color of your skin should not matter. The fact that someone is Asian should not cause them to lose a spot to a black person.

Asian applicants are losing their spots to white people.

Nope.

They are losing their spots to everyone else because of a system designed, in practice, to help wealthy blacks.

...designed to help mediocre wealthy blacks, I should have said.

The system penalizes brilliant black students, as they (and others) assume they didn't get in because of their own merits.

I never gave a shit what you assumed. I’ve been very successful in my career and have outpaced many other races. That was based on intellect. Maybe you should stop worrying about blacks holding you back and step up your game.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, enough.

Leave it to the education experts to wade through. Education should never be a political issue and maybe the states need to deal with their own special issues complying with the federal regulations already on them.

We already have politics over income levels as an barrier to higher education and it breaks my heart.

Enough.

Affirmative action inextricably links education with politics. I agree with you that we should not play political games with education. I'd be in favor of abolishing affirmative action from education altogether. Education should be a merit-based process. The color of your skin should not matter. The fact that someone is Asian should not cause them to lose a spot to a black person.

Asian applicants are losing their spots to white people.

How is this possible considering the tiny percentage of blacks at elite colleges. Our 5 spots are really affecting you. Maybe you are just not that good or impressive outside of your scores.

Nope.

They are losing their spots to everyone else because of a system designed, in practice, to help wealthy blacks.

How is this possible considering the tiny percentage of blacks at elite colleges. Our 5 spots are really affecting you. Maybe you are just not that good or impressive outside of your scores.

Are you seriously justifying racial bigotry because you believe the number of impacted people are few?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see adding an economic aspect to it but we aren’t even close when it comes to racial equality. The lingering effects of systematic racism will take a long time to diminish.

So you're saying that we should continue to favor blacks over poor, disadvantaged whites until blacks mas a whole achieve "racial equality?"

And how is that measured? When blacks have the same net worth as whites? That will be impossible as long as blacks continue to have a 75% out-of-wedlock birth rate. You can't ignore personal behavior that leads to poverty, and say "let's keep giving mediocre blacks from middle class families preferential treatment over high-achieving poor whites until the average net worth of blacks is the same as whites."

Ahhh, it was going to come out eventually. Was just wondering how long. If those aren’t stereotypes I don’t know what is. I work for a membership organization of the most senior black executives in corporate America. We now have the studies that show in order for black people to succeed, they must significantly exceed metrics used to rate black and white candidates. They outpace their white counterparts consistently. Lots of data out there. You wouldn’t know because you are clearly perpetuating historical racist tropes.

BS.

Look at the actual data in the Harvard case.

It's open and clear racial discrimination to favor one particular group at the expense of everyone else.

You are a racist, and should know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, enough.

Leave it to the education experts to wade through. Education should never be a political issue and maybe the states need to deal with their own special issues complying with the federal regulations already on them.

We already have politics over income levels as an barrier to higher education and it breaks my heart.

Enough.

Affirmative action inextricably links education with politics. I agree with you that we should not play political games with education. I'd be in favor of abolishing affirmative action from education altogether. Education should be a merit-based process. The color of your skin should not matter. The fact that someone is Asian should not cause them to lose a spot to a black person.

Asian applicants are losing their spots to white people.

Nope.

They are losing their spots to everyone else because of a system designed, in practice, to help wealthy blacks.

...designed to help mediocre wealthy blacks, I should have said.

The system penalizes brilliant black students, as they (and others) assume they didn't get in because of their own merits.

I never gave a shit what you assumed. I’ve been very successful in my career and have outpaced many other races. That was based on intellect. Maybe you should stop worrying about blacks holding you back and step up your game.

So what do you have against a level playing field and no favorable racial preference for the color of your skin? If you are so confident of yourself, why support a racist policy like affirmative action that gives you an unfair advantage? Imagine if a white person told black people "maybe you should stop worrying about Jim Crow laws and white people holding you back and step up your game".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see adding an economic aspect to it but we aren’t even close when it comes to racial equality. The lingering effects of systematic racism will take a long time to diminish.

So you're saying that we should continue to favor blacks over poor, disadvantaged whites until blacks mas a whole achieve "racial equality?"

And how is that measured? When blacks have the same net worth as whites? That will be impossible as long as blacks continue to have a 75% out-of-wedlock birth rate. You can't ignore personal behavior that leads to poverty, and say "let's keep giving mediocre blacks from middle class families preferential treatment over high-achieving poor whites until the average net worth of blacks is the same as whites."

Ahhh, it was going to come out eventually. Was just wondering how long. If those aren’t stereotypes I don’t know what is. I work for a membership organization of the most senior black executives in corporate America. We now have the studies that show in order for black people to succeed, they must significantly exceed metrics used to rate black and white candidates. They outpace their white counterparts consistently. Lots of data out there. You wouldn’t know because you are clearly perpetuating historical racist tropes.

BS.

Look at the actual data in the Harvard case.

It's open and clear racial discrimination to favor one particular group at the expense of everyone else.

You are a racist, and should know it.

I don't believe the PP is racist. However, I believe the PP feels a deep sense of need to minimize the issue of affirmative action because it directly calls into question the validity of his/her life's successes, vis-a-vis his/her capabilities as an individual against the backdrop of a racist policy that favors the color of his/her skin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see adding an economic aspect to it but we aren’t even close when it comes to racial equality. The lingering effects of systematic racism will take a long time to diminish.

So you're saying that we should continue to favor blacks over poor, disadvantaged whites until blacks mas a whole achieve "racial equality?"

And how is that measured? When blacks have the same net worth as whites? That will be impossible as long as blacks continue to have a 75% out-of-wedlock birth rate. You can't ignore personal behavior that leads to poverty, and say "let's keep giving mediocre blacks from middle class families preferential treatment over high-achieving poor whites until the average net worth of blacks is the same as whites."

Ahhh, it was going to come out eventually. Was just wondering how long. If those aren’t stereotypes I don’t know what is. I work for a membership organization of the most senior black executives in corporate America. We now have the studies that show in order for black people to succeed, they must significantly exceed metrics used to rate black and white candidates. They outpace their white counterparts consistently. Lots of data out there. You wouldn’t know because you are clearly perpetuating historical racist tropes.

Ridiculous. I probably benefited from AA when getting into law school. Still passed the bar and still graduated in the top 5% of my law school class. Practiced corporate law and then became an investment banker. Those fields don’t keep you around based on needing black people. It’s about performance.


BS.

Look at the actual data in the Harvard case.

It's open and clear racial discrimination to favor one particular group at the expense of everyone else.

Ridiculous. I probably benefited from AA when getting into law school. Still passed the bar and still graduated in the top 5% of my law school class. Practiced corporate law and then became an investment banker. Those fields don’t keep you around based on needing black people. It’s about performance.

You are a racist, and should know it.

I don't believe the PP is racist. However, I believe the PP feels a deep sense of need to minimize the issue of affirmative action because it directly calls into question the validity of his/her life's successes, vis-a-vis his/her capabilities as an individual against the backdrop of a racist policy that favors the color of his/her skin. [/quote

Ridiculous. I probably benefited from AA when getting into law school. Still passed the bar and still graduated in the top 5% of my law school class. Practiced corporate law and then became an investment banker. Those fields don’t keep you around based on needing black people. It’s about performance.

Plus, my black friends who went to Harvard, no matter how they got there, are killing it in their careers. Harvard accepts kids they know are going to be successful. That’s more than grades and test scores.

[Anonymous]

Corporate America loves affirmative action, provided that whites still stay on top at the companies and there remains a preference for hiring the dumb white daughters and sons of those with connections and important contacts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, enough.

Leave it to the education experts to wade through. Education should never be a political issue and maybe the states need to deal with their own special issues complying with the federal regulations already on them.

We already have politics over income levels as an barrier to higher education and it breaks my heart.

Enough.

Affirmative action inextricably links education with politics. I agree with you that we should not play political games with education. I'd be in favor of abolishing affirmative action from education altogether. Education should be a merit-based process. The color of your skin should not matter. The fact that someone is Asian should not cause them to lose a spot to a black person.

Asian applicants are losing their spots to white people.

Citation, please? The research I've seen indicates that if we did away with affirmative action, white people would continue to be accepted at about the same rates they are, asian admissions would increase, and black and hispanic admissions would drop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can see adding an economic aspect to it but we aren’t even close when it comes to racial equality. The lingering effects of systematic racism will take a long time to diminish.

So you're saying that we should continue to favor blacks over poor, disadvantaged whites until blacks mas a whole achieve "racial equality?"

And how is that measured? When blacks have the same net worth as whites? That will be impossible as long as blacks continue to have a 75% out-of-wedlock birth rate. You can't ignore personal behavior that leads to poverty, and say "let's keep giving mediocre blacks from middle class families preferential treatment over high-achieving poor whites until the average net worth of blacks is the same as whites."

Ahhh, it was going to come out eventually. Was just wondering how long. If those aren’t stereotypes I don’t know what is. I work for a membership organization of the most senior black executives in corporate America. We now have the studies that show in order for black people to succeed, they must significantly exceed metrics used to rate black and white candidates. They outpace their white counterparts consistently. Lots of data out there. You wouldn’t know because you are clearly perpetuating historical racist tropes.

Ridiculous. I probably benefited from AA when getting into law school. Still passed the bar and still graduated in the top 5% of my law school class. Practiced corporate law and then became an investment banker. Those fields don’t keep you around based on needing black people. It’s about performance.


BS.

Look at the actual data in the Harvard case.

It's open and clear racial discrimination to favor one particular group at the expense of everyone else.

Ridiculous. I probably benefited from AA when getting into law school. Still passed the bar and still graduated in the top 5% of my law school class. Practiced corporate law and then became an investment banker. Those fields don’t keep you around based on needing black people. It’s about performance.

You are a racist, and should know it.

I don't believe the PP is racist. However, I believe the PP feels a deep sense of need to minimize the issue of affirmative action because it directly calls into question the validity of his/her life's successes, vis-a-vis his/her capabilities as an individual against the backdrop of a racist policy that favors the color of his/her skin. [/quote

Ridiculous. I probably benefited from AA when getting into law school. Still passed the bar and still graduated in the top 5% of my law school class. Practiced corporate law and then became an investment banker. Those fields don’t keep you around based on needing black people. It’s about performance.

Plus, my black friends who went to Harvard, no matter how they got there, are killing it in their careers. Harvard accepts kids they know are going to be successful. That’s more than grades and test scores.

Ridiculous. I probably benefited from AA when getting into law school. Still passed the bar and still graduated in the top 5% of my law school class. Practiced corporate law and then became an investment banker. Those fields don’t keep you around based on needing black people. It’s about performance.

Plus, my black friends who went to Harvard, no matter how they got there, are killing it in their careers. Harvard accepts kids they know are going to be successful. That’s more than grades and test scores.

Post the Harvard report.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Corporate America loves affirmative action, provided that whites still stay on top at the companies and there remains a preference for hiring the dumb white daughters and sons of those with connections and important contacts.

AA might them in the door, it does not get them to the C Suite. Shows your ignorance of your knowledge of global 500 companies. Stay in your lane. I understand you’ve never seen the C Suite, put performance gets you there and keeps you there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No. Absolutely not.

Poor white people, poor white trash as we call them in my house growing up, still have all the advantages of being white.

It's nonsense to pretend otherwise.

Born white trash and now DCUM’s nightmare: white trash with money. I used my whiteness to get through bad schools, join the Navy, get a GED, take every hazardous pay station offered to leave the Navy with enough money to get a undergrad and grad degrees from programs where my whiteness put me in the minority among Chinese and Indian students. Yessiree, I could not have worked in temperatures ranging from minus 40 degrees to 120 degrees without my whiteness. I could not have gotten through electrical engineering degrees without my whiteness. I could not have set up my company or competed for set aside contracts without my whiteness.