Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

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Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

n New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related Black households had two parents.[29] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the Black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among the Black population.[27] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[30] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African-American families consisted of single mothers than married households with both parents.[31] Most recently, in 2011; it was reported that 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.[26]

This along with the crack epidemic of the 1980s which is again ELECTIVE POOR BEHAVIOR is the cause of the collective failure of too much of black society not racisim

I agree. The problem is you'll be called a racist if you point out that the high out-of-wedlock among blacks is strongly correlated to the high poverty rate. All it takes to get out of poverty is 1) finish high school, and 2) don't have babies until you are married.

It’s not that simple.
https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04/escaping-poverty-requires-almost-20-years-with-nearly-nothing-going-wrong/524727/

lol what a load of garbage. Yes it's the elites that are forcing people to commit crimes refuse to pay attention and attend school and do drugs and have unportected sex

another liberal playing the victim card for these folks instead of personal responsibility to give a damn about the future

Yup.

Is there a single liberal on this forum who is willing to acknowledge that at least SOME of the problems on the black community are the results of their own no, behavior and choices? You can't blame poverty and prejudice entirely. Are the European Jews wallowing in poverty after their own grandparents were stripped naked, paraded before Nazi monsters, and then gassed with their little children screaming by their side? NO. And why not? Because they did two things: got married before punching out the babies, and then sacrificing to send them to college.

Liberals hate when you bring up the success of Jews. It destroys their myth that poverty can be blamed on bigotry.

You do know that European Jews are white, right?

Hitler didn’t view them that way.

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

^^^ And remember, in the 1940s, the free New York City College had tons of poor Jewish boys enrolled - lots of really smart ones in the engineering program, for sure! - and then they came home on the subway every evening to their poor immigrant parents' crying over their lost grandparents and siblings. Why can't you say that these poor Jews deserve a lot of credit for improving their lot in life - in the midst of unspeakable horror enveloping their families, strictly due to unfathimable prejudice?

Why can't liberals give Jews credit for their positive traits of motivation, discipline, and willingness to sacrifice for a better future? Are you that angry that a persecuted people can rise above the bigotry and succeed regardless - due to their own choices?

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Dp. US govt antisemites largely banned their immigration to the US during that war.

Yup. That Democrat FDR even turned away the St. Louis.

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

^^^ And remember, in the 1940s, the free New York City College had tons of poor Jewish boys enrolled - lots of really smart ones in the engineering program, for sure! - and then they came home on the subway every evening to their poor immigrant parents' crying over their lost grandparents and siblings. Why can't you say that these poor Jews deserve a lot of credit for improving their lot in life - in the midst of unspeakable horror enveloping their families, strictly due to unfathimable prejudice?

Why can't liberals give Jews credit for their positive traits of motivation, discipline, and willingness to sacrifice for a better future? Are you that angry that a persecuted people can rise above the bigotry and succeed regardless - due to their own choices?

So they were free (not enslaved) and had the opportunity to go to college (including free college)? Seems like they had choices.

Many immigrants (self-selected group of motivated hard workers) faced discrimination and were able to succeed.

Not sure why you think this parallels the history and experiences of black Americans.

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

So you think the root issue is single mothers? That poverty stems from that?

You don’t think it could be the other way around? Poverty leads to fewer choices and opportunities?

This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway:
"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support:
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians)
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

So you think the root issue is single mothers? That poverty stems from that?

You don’t think it could be the other way around? Poverty leads to fewer choices and opportunities?

This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway:
"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support:
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians)
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

OP - any thoughts on the bolded comment above?

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This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway:
"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support:
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians)
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

OP - any thoughts on the bolded comment above?

Not OP. Are you saying that the poor young women today have no access to birth control?
Medicaid programs already offered free birth control prior to the health reform law, although they are not required to cover all FDA-approved birth control methods. Check with your Medicaid office to find out what types of birth control are offered. In addition, states are given the option to provide family planning services only for low-income individuals who would not otherwise be eligible for Medicaid. Just over half the states have expanded family planning services under this option.

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This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway:
"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support:
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians)
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

OP - any thoughts on the bolded comment above?

Not OP. Are you saying that the poor young women today have no access to birth control?
Medicaid programs already offered free birth control prior to the health reform law, although they are not required to cover all FDA-approved birth control methods. Check with your Medicaid office to find out what types of birth control are offered. In addition, states are given the option to provide family planning services only for low-income individuals who would not otherwise be eligible for Medicaid. Just over half the states have expanded family planning services under this option.

No. Make it free and very accessible though (no waiting lists, no challenging appointment schedules). And market it. Colorado had huge success with it.
https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/sites/default/files/PSD_TitleX3_CFPI-Report.pdf

"Between 2009 and 2014, birth and abortion rates both declined
by nearly 50 percent among teens aged 15-19 and
by 20 percent among young women aged 20-24.
Public assistance costs associated with births that
were averted among women aged 15-24 totaled
between $54.6 and $60.6 million for four entitlement programs."

" The Colorado Family Planning Initiative provided funding for
LARC purchases, trained health care providers, and
provided operational and outreach support. Clinics
hired staff, enlisted health care providers for LARC
insertion, upgraded equipment and billing procedures,
added sites and increased hours, and reached out to
local schools and other community partners.
A separately-funded campaign called Beforeplay
provided clinics with a website resource where young
people learn about birth control methods and locate
reproductive health services."

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This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway:
"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support:
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians)
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

Not just single motherhood, but single parenthood, in general, is a major cause of poverty. It does not take rocket science to figure out that a single parent has less time and money to raise a child versus a two-parent household. Most of the single-parent households in the US are single mothers, and therefore they tend to draw the highlight. This author's suggestion is like telling people that rather than blaming smoking for poor health, we should support smokers in dealing with their lung diseases. This is an asinine assertion.

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

So you think the root issue is single mothers? That poverty stems from that?

You don’t think it could be the other way around? Poverty leads to fewer choices and opportunities?

This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway:
"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support:
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians)
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

OP - any thoughts on the bolded comment above?

I have two thoughts: first, that liberal NYT writer is WRONG - single-parent households are more likely to be in poverty. Duh. The reason the liberal can't admit the correlation is because then he would have to admit that personal choices and decisions impact one's success in life.

And second, that other liberal PP still can't admit that Jews made wise choices in the midst of horrible - and bigotry that contributed to their success. Why not? Why not say "yup....those 1940s Jews were amazing. Here they were having their entire families wiped out overseas, and they still buckled up, made good decisions, showed discipline, and went to college? Are liberals that annoyed by Jews' higher rates of success because....shudder.....it shows that one can't blade prejudice on every poor outcome?

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Anonymous wrote:

This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway:
"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support:
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians)
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

Not just single motherhood, but single parenthood, in general, is a major cause of poverty. It does not take rocket science to figure out that a single parent has less time and money to raise a child versus a two-parent household. Most of the single-parent households in the US are single mothers, and therefore they tend to draw the highlight. This author's suggestion is like telling people that rather than blaming smoking for poor health, we should support smokers in dealing with their lung diseases. This is an asinine assertion.

When they are born smoking it's difficult to quit that situation.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Sounds like you're every Black male, from infancy to retirement is a violent criminal. The best explanation I have for is you that Black males commit violent crimes for the same reason white males do.

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

So you think the root issue is single mothers? That poverty stems from that?

You don’t think it could be the other way around? Poverty leads to fewer choices and opportunities?

This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway:
"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support:
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians)
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

OP - any thoughts on the bolded comment above?

I have two thoughts: first, that liberal NYT writer is WRONG - single-parent households are more likely to be in poverty. Duh. The reason the liberal can't admit the correlation is because then he would have to admit that personal choices and decisions impact one's success in life.

And second, that other liberal PP still can't admit that Jews made wise choices in the midst of horrible - and bigotry that contributed to their success. Why not? Why not say "yup....those 1940s Jews were amazing. Here they were having their entire families wiped out overseas, and they still buckled up, made good decisions, showed discipline, and went to college? Are liberals that annoyed by Jews' higher rates of success because....shudder.....it shows that one can't blade prejudice on every poor outcome?

Gosh darn it. That is great that those 40s Jews succeeded. They did have some pretty decent opportunities that they took advantage of (like CUNY). Just like many other immigrants in that time (self-selected group of motivated hard workers) who also faced discrimination but were still able to succeed.

Again, not sure why you think this parallels the history and experiences of black Americans. Why do you think it does?

p.s. How many blacks were in that same class at CUNY? vs. how many Jewish students?

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

^^^ And remember, in the 1940s, the free New York City College had tons of poor Jewish boys enrolled - lots of really smart ones in the engineering program, for sure! - and then they came home on the subway every evening to their poor immigrant parents' crying over their lost grandparents and siblings. Why can't you say that these poor Jews deserve a lot of credit for improving their lot in life - in the midst of unspeakable horror enveloping their families, strictly due to unfathimable prejudice?

Why can't liberals give Jews credit for their positive traits of motivation, discipline, and willingness to sacrifice for a better future? Are you that angry that a persecuted people can rise above the bigotry and succeed regardless - due to their own choices?

So they were free (not enslaved) and had the opportunity to go to college (including free college)? Seems like they had choices.

Many immigrants (self-selected group of motivated hard workers) faced discrimination and were able to succeed.

Not sure why you think this parallels the history and experiences of black Americans.

HUh? You're saying Jews had opportunities to go to college in 1940, and blacks don't currently? Jews were prohibited from many of the IVYs, whereas blacks today get a bump-up. Anyway, the point is that Jews still did well in school and went on to college DURING the Holocaust! You think living under the torment that Jews are considered sub-human and are being slaughtered across the ocean doesn't damage your psyche?

And what's with "so the Jews were free,,...not enslaved" sh!t?! Sure, let's poo-poo the impact of the Holocaust on Jews LIVING DIRING THAT TIME. And you're saying blacks today are enslaved? WTH? It's like talking to a wall. Admit it. Admit it. Jews were losing their family members left and right to Hitler - their mothers were gassed, their grandparents were gassed, their cousins and siblings and nieces and nephews were gassed, and they waited and waited and waited for postcards that never came, and in the midst of all that hatred - they STILL were able to succeed.

What I hear you saying is that sure.....Jews were only rounded up, put in concentration camps, and murdered by the millions, but at least they weren't enslaved like blacks were. Do you liberals even hear yourself? You're so angry at those GD Jews for daring to be successful a single generation after their families were murdered in the Holocaust. You'd prefer if the Jews were bringing up the bottom.

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

^^^ And remember, in the 1940s, the free New York City College had tons of poor Jewish boys enrolled - lots of really smart ones in the engineering program, for sure! - and then they came home on the subway every evening to their poor immigrant parents' crying over their lost grandparents and siblings. Why can't you say that these poor Jews deserve a lot of credit for improving their lot in life - in the midst of unspeakable horror enveloping their families, strictly due to unfathimable prejudice?

Why can't liberals give Jews credit for their positive traits of motivation, discipline, and willingness to sacrifice for a better future? Are you that angry that a persecuted people can rise above the bigotry and succeed regardless - due to their own choices?

So they were free (not enslaved) and had the opportunity to go to college (including free college)? Seems like they had choices.

Many immigrants (self-selected group of motivated hard workers) faced discrimination and were able to succeed.

Not sure why you think this parallels the history and experiences of black Americans.

HUh? You're saying Jews had opportunities to go to college in 1940, and blacks don't currently? Jews were prohibited from many of the IVYs, whereas blacks today get a bump-up. Anyway, the point is that Jews still did well in school and went on to college DURING the Holocaust! You think living under the torment that Jews are considered sub-human and are being slaughtered across the ocean doesn't damage your psyche?

And what's with "so the Jews were free,,...not enslaved" sh!t?! Sure, let's poo-poo the impact of the Holocaust on Jews LIVING DIRING THAT TIME. And you're saying blacks today are enslaved? WTH? It's like talking to a wall. Admit it. Admit it. Jews were losing their family members left and right to Hitler - their mothers were gassed, their grandparents were gassed, their cousins and siblings and nieces and nephews were gassed, and they waited and waited and waited for postcards that never came, and in the midst of all that hatred - they STILL were able to succeed.

What I hear you saying is that sure.....Jews were only rounded up, put in concentration camps, and murdered by the millions, but at least they weren't enslaved like blacks were. Do you liberals even hear yourself? You're so angry at those GD Jews for daring to be successful a single generation after their families were murdered in the Holocaust. You'd prefer if the Jews were bringing up the bottom.

Why are you forcing a comparison between Jewish people in 1940 vs. black Americans today? Why do you think their histories and experiences are comparable? I don't.

And every time I try to bring up differences in those histories and experiences, you claim anti-Semitism. It's a tired manipulation that just makes your motivations suspect.