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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

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You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?[/quote]
Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through [b]their positive traits [/b]and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

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Please describe the “traits” of black people.

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They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life. [/quote]

So you think the root issue is single mothers? That poverty stems from that?

You don’t think it could be the other way around? Poverty leads to fewer choices and opportunities? 
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This opinion piece (based on research - http://www.lisdatacenter.org/wps/liswps/693.pdf) really spoke to me:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/single-mothers-poverty.html

The author's final note is powerful and a great takeaway: 
[i][b]"Rather than falsely claiming that single motherhood is a major cause of poverty, we should support single mothers in raising America’s children."[/b][/i]

We need to look for ways to lessen the penalties for these risk factors to break the cycle of poverty. Personally, I think we should address the four risk factors for poverty with LARCs and educational support: 
1) Teen pregnancy - provide free/accessible LARCs 
2) Education - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get HS degrees or higher
3) Unemployment - provide multi-generation educational support with wrap-around services to get more people get certificates/training (e.g., healthcare technicians) 
4) Single mothers - provide free/accessible LARCs, making it easier for women to wait until marriage to have children

And rather than compare who had it harder, find ways to support those still in need. Free college helped raise up PP's family. What can we do to help raised up others?

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OP - any thoughts on the bolded comment above? 
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I have two thoughts: first, that liberal NYT writer is WRONG - single-parent households are more likely to be in poverty. Duh. The reason the liberal can't admit the correlation is because then he would have to admit that personal choices and decisions impact one's success in life.

And second, that other liberal PP still can't admit that Jews made wise choices in the midst of horrible - and bigotry that contributed to their success. Why not? Why not say "yup....those 1940s Jews were amazing. Here they were having their entire families wiped out overseas, and they still buckled up, made good decisions, showed discipline, and went to college? Are liberals that annoyed by Jews' higher rates of success because....shudder.....it shows that one can't blade prejudice on every poor outcome?[/quote]

Gosh darn it. That is great that those 40s Jews succeeded. They did have some pretty decent opportunities that they took advantage of (like CUNY). Just like many other immigrants in that time (self-selected group of motivated hard workers) who also faced discrimination but were still able to succeed.

Again, not sure why you think this parallels the history and experiences of black Americans. Why do you think it does?

p.s. How many blacks were in that same class at CUNY? vs. how many Jewish students? 
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