Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

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Anonymous wrote:OP - any thoughts on this thread?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/829150.page

So Duke, an extremely liberal university, puts out research focusing condemnation on whites who are admitted unfairly, even though Harvard is not releasing individual scores so it's hard to judge? If grades and scores were the determining factor, the percentage of blacks would drop. That's why colleges have come up with this "holistic" nonsense - to find a way to favor blacks over whites while not blatantly making racist admission decisions (which is when you have two different admissions standards, one for whites and an "easier" one for blacks.)

Income-based AA is the only way to be fair to everyone who has had the bad luck of being raised in a low-income home with uneducated parents.

So what do you think about the ADLCs?

So long as the policy isn't racist, like Affirmative Action is, I don't really have a problem with the admissions criteria used by colleges.

Are you OP? So you don't care about the "poor white kids" anymore?

No I am not the OP. I care about poor kids in general, not of any particular race. If they used socioeconomic status as context for their admissions, I don't have a problem with that at all. I just have an issue with using skin color, because that's racist.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

n New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related Black households had two parents.[29] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the Black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among the Black population.[27] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[30] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African-American families consisted of single mothers than married households with both parents.[31] Most recently, in 2011; it was reported that 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.[26]

This along with the crack epidemic of the 1980s which is again ELECTIVE POOR BEHAVIOR is the cause of the collective failure of too much of black society not racisim

I agree. The problem is you'll be called a racist if you point out that the high out-of-wedlock among blacks is strongly correlated to the high poverty rate. All it takes to get out of poverty is 1) finish high school, and 2) don't have babies until you are married.

It’s not that simple.
https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04/escaping-poverty-requires-almost-20-years-with-nearly-nothing-going-wrong/524727/

lol what a load of garbage. Yes it's the elites that are forcing people to commit crimes refuse to pay attention and attend school and do drugs and have unportected sex

another liberal playing the victim card for these folks instead of personal responsibility to give a damn about the future

Yup.

Is there a single liberal on this forum who is willing to acknowledge that at least SOME of the problems on the black community are the results of their own no, behavior and choices? You can't blame poverty and prejudice entirely. Are the European Jews wallowing in poverty after their own grandparents were stripped naked, paraded before Nazi monsters, and then gassed with their little children screaming by their side? NO. And why not? Because they did two things: got married before punching out the babies, and then sacrificing to send them to college.

Liberals hate when you bring up the success of Jews. It destroys their myth that poverty can be blamed on bigotry.

You do know that European Jews are white, right?

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Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

n New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related Black households had two parents.[29] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the Black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among the Black population.[27] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[30] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African-American families consisted of single mothers than married households with both parents.[31] Most recently, in 2011; it was reported that 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.[26]

This along with the crack epidemic of the 1980s which is again ELECTIVE POOR BEHAVIOR is the cause of the collective failure of too much of black society not racisim

I agree. The problem is you'll be called a racist if you point out that the high out-of-wedlock among blacks is strongly correlated to the high poverty rate. All it takes to get out of poverty is 1) finish high school, and 2) don't have babies until you are married.

It’s not that simple.
https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04/escaping-poverty-requires-almost-20-years-with-nearly-nothing-going-wrong/524727/

lol what a load of garbage. Yes it's the elites that are forcing people to commit crimes refuse to pay attention and attend school and do drugs and have unportected sex

another liberal playing the victim card for these folks instead of personal responsibility to give a damn about the future

Yup.

Is there a single liberal on this forum who is willing to acknowledge that at least SOME of the problems on the black community are the results of their own no, behavior and choices? You can't blame poverty and prejudice entirely. Are the European Jews wallowing in poverty after their own grandparents were stripped naked, paraded before Nazi monsters, and then gassed with their little children screaming by their side? NO. And why not? Because they did two things: got married before punching out the babies, and then sacrificing to send them to college.

Liberals hate when you bring up the success of Jews. It destroys their myth that poverty can be blamed on bigotry.

You do know that European Jews are white, right?

OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

Yes - I am talking about EUROPEAN Jews - did their "white privilege" save them two generations ago? Are they not now subject to continuing and in fact increasing antisemitism? This just shows how reluctant liberals are to admit that any personal traits - motivation, drive, sacrifice, delayed gratification - can contribute significantly to one's own success, even in the face of horrible bigotry. As I said, it destroys their myth that black people are, to some degree, responsible for their own outcomes.

Twist it around however you want to try to prove that racism accounts for all degrees of lack of success, even it it means you have to say that European Jews, who lost relatives IN THEIR OWN LIFETIMES because they were seen as sub-human, are beneficiaries of "whites privilege"! Disgusting.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

n New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related Black households had two parents.[29] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the Black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among the Black population.[27] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[30] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African-American families consisted of single mothers than married households with both parents.[31] Most recently, in 2011; it was reported that 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.[26]

This along with the crack epidemic of the 1980s which is again ELECTIVE POOR BEHAVIOR is the cause of the collective failure of too much of black society not racisim

I agree. The problem is you'll be called a racist if you point out that the high out-of-wedlock among blacks is strongly correlated to the high poverty rate. All it takes to get out of poverty is 1) finish high school, and 2) don't have babies until you are married.

It’s not that simple.
https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04/escaping-poverty-requires-almost-20-years-with-nearly-nothing-going-wrong/524727/

lol what a load of garbage. Yes it's the elites that are forcing people to commit crimes refuse to pay attention and attend school and do drugs and have unportected sex

another liberal playing the victim card for these folks instead of personal responsibility to give a damn about the future

Yup.

Is there a single liberal on this forum who is willing to acknowledge that at least SOME of the problems on the black community are the results of their own no, behavior and choices? You can't blame poverty and prejudice entirely. Are the European Jews wallowing in poverty after their own grandparents were stripped naked, paraded before Nazi monsters, and then gassed with their little children screaming by their side? NO. And why not? Because they did two things: got married before punching out the babies, and then sacrificing to send them to college.

Liberals hate when you bring up the success of Jews. It destroys their myth that poverty can be blamed on bigotry.

You do know that European Jews are white, right?

OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

Yes - I am talking about EUROPEAN Jews - did their "white privilege" save them two generations ago? Are they not now subject to continuing and in fact increasing antisemitism? This just shows how reluctant liberals are to admit that any personal traits - motivation, drive, sacrifice, delayed gratification - can contribute significantly to one's own success, even in the face of horrible bigotry. As I said, it destroys their myth that black people are, to some degree, responsible for their own outcomes.

Twist it around however you want to try to prove that racism accounts for all degrees of lack of success, even it it means you have to say that European Jews, who lost relatives IN THEIR OWN LIFETIMES because they were seen as sub-human, are beneficiaries of "whites privilege"! Disgusting.

Hear Hear

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Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

n New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related Black households had two parents.[29] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the Black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among the Black population.[27] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[30] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African-American families consisted of single mothers than married households with both parents.[31] Most recently, in 2011; it was reported that 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.[26]

This along with the crack epidemic of the 1980s which is again ELECTIVE POOR BEHAVIOR is the cause of the collective failure of too much of black society not racisim

I agree. The problem is you'll be called a racist if you point out that the high out-of-wedlock among blacks is strongly correlated to the high poverty rate. All it takes to get out of poverty is 1) finish high school, and 2) don't have babies until you are married.

It’s not that simple.
https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04/escaping-poverty-requires-almost-20-years-with-nearly-nothing-going-wrong/524727/

lol what a load of garbage. Yes it's the elites that are forcing people to commit crimes refuse to pay attention and attend school and do drugs and have unportected sex

another liberal playing the victim card for these folks instead of personal responsibility to give a damn about the future

Yup.

Is there a single liberal on this forum who is willing to acknowledge that at least SOME of the problems on the black community are the results of their own no, behavior and choices? You can't blame poverty and prejudice entirely. Are the European Jews wallowing in poverty after their own grandparents were stripped naked, paraded before Nazi monsters, and then gassed with their little children screaming by their side? NO. And why not? Because they did two things: got married before punching out the babies, and then sacrificing to send them to college.

Liberals hate when you bring up the success of Jews. It destroys their myth that poverty can be blamed on bigotry.

You do know that European Jews are white, right?

OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

Yes - I am talking about EUROPEAN Jews - did their "white privilege" save them two generations ago? Are they not now subject to continuing and in fact increasing antisemitism? This just shows how reluctant liberals are to admit that any personal traits - motivation, drive, sacrifice, delayed gratification - can contribute significantly to one's own success, even in the face of horrible bigotry. As I said, it destroys their myth that black people are, to some degree, responsible for their own outcomes.

Twist it around however you want to try to prove that racism accounts for all degrees of lack of success, even it it means you have to say that European Jews, who lost relatives IN THEIR OWN LIFETIMES because they were seen as sub-human, are beneficiaries of "whites privilege"! Disgusting.

Hear Hear

It’s always easier to blame others than to take an honest look in the mirror and hold oneself accountable for outcomes.

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It’s always easier to blame others than to take an honest look in the mirror and hold oneself accountable for outcomes.

I know. We hear all types of blame for the opiod crisis but nobody wants to say that white people need to take more responsibility for their actions. You won't get addicted to opiods if you never take them in the first pace.

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

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It’s always easier to blame others than to take an honest look in the mirror and hold oneself accountable for outcomes.

I know. We hear all types of blame for the opiod crisis but nobody wants to say that white people need to take more responsibility for their actions. You won't get addicted to opiods if you never take them in the first pace.

Is it different for black people?

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

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Anonymous wrote:No. Absolutely not.

Poor white people, poor white trash as we call them in my house growing up, still have all the advantages of being white.

It's nonsense to pretend otherwise.

But, you were raised to be very tolerant, right, pp?

Excuse me, but being poor does not mean your are trash. I have a Masters Degree but am a single Mom and with my income in one of the most expensive zip codes in DC, I might be categorized as poor.....

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

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OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

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Anonymous wrote:
OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Dp. US govt antisemites largely banned their immigration to the US during that war.

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It’s always easier to blame others than to take an honest look in the mirror and hold oneself accountable for outcomes.

I know. We hear all types of blame for the opiod crisis but nobody wants to say that white people need to take more responsibility for their actions. You won't get addicted to opiods if you never take them in the first pace.

Does the same go for other types of other narcotics?

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Anonymous wrote:
OMG......liberals just cannot admit that people who are subjected to the worst kind of prejudice can indeed be successful - and try to play that "whote privilege" crap on European Jews, barely 70 years after Hitler tried to exterminate them. It's like they're on auto-pilot.

You do know that nearly all Jewish immigration to America occurred before World War 2, right?

Yeah, so what's your point? The American Jews of the 40s waited for postcards and telegrams from their grandparents, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews - never to be heard from again. And in the face of that bigotry (bigotry is too mild a word), they still managed to send their kids to college and move from poverty to the middle class. You think just because the Jews were already in this country that they didn't feel the impact of racism?

Amazing how you twist around not to give Jews any credit for their discipline, motivation, and responsible choices.- that led to their success - while their families were being wiped out in Europe, and despite the fact that they faced real discrimination right here in the U.S. And I know WHY you won't admit that Jews, through their positive traits and good decisions, were able to better themselves despite all that bigotry. Because then you'd have to admit the converse of that. And that's against liberalism: it's always someone else's fault.

White privilege, my a$$.

Please describe the “traits” of black people.

They don't have intrinsic ANY poor traits that I can think of. They do, as a whole, make a poor choice to have babies without being married - which leads to poverty, which leads to crime. I would say that Jews, as a whole, DO have positive traits - and motivation to succeed is one of them, and they are willing to sacrifice to do that.

Are you able to acknowledge that Jews make good choices that have led to their success - and while they observed their own relatives being murdered for their religion? Can't do it, can you? It would prove that people are, at least to some degree, responsible for their own success in life.

So you think the root issue is single mothers? That poverty stems from that?

You don’t think it could be the other way around? Poverty leads to fewer choices and opportunities?