Girl Raped at Rockville HS

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By the time they graduate they will be 21 or 22. You want your 14 year old going to school with 21 year olds? Regardless of immigration & race, there needs to be a better solution to the age gap. I don't think many people were aware of this, which was brought to the limelight by this tragic rape.

The thinking here seems to be that 21-year-olds are inherently a threat to 14-year-olds. Or, specifically, that 21-year-old men are inherently a threat to 14-year-old girls. All 21-year-old men. By definition. I don't agree with that.

What you aren't understanding is age is one component when it comes to assessing risk. When you combine the below factors, the threat risk goes up considerably. Nowhere do I list race.

18 year old in 9th grade (not educated)
In the country illegally and on a deport list
Comes from a violent country where rapes are probably very common and ignored (this one is the most disturbing)
Does not speak English
School does not have a history of these persons, mental capacity, true age, address for one of them.

So basically, MCPS took 2 people who have come from terrible environments and have probably seen and have become accustomed to horrific atrocities and you throw them in a regular classroom. Why did anyone think this would end well? Did they do a psych evaluation on them?

You want MCPS to do psychiatric evaluations on all students without previous school records? Or only the ones who don't speak English? Or who don't speak English and don't have birth certificates? Or who are male over the age of [something]? Or...?

It's easy to predict things after they happen. The likelihood that these two people would rape somebody in a high school bathroom is 1 -- because it actually happened. How many 18-year-olds without papers, from Central America, are there in MCPS? How many of them have raped somebody in a high school bathroom?

If your goal is to prevent rapes in schools, this is an extremely inefficient and ineffective way to achieve that goal.

I would start with illegal immigrants that traveled here without family (parents).

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Tell all the parents that are pushing for Algebra in 6th and 7th grade, putting their children in Algebra 2 Freshman year, which is a class typically taken by Juniors who are 17/18.

Are parent complaining about their advance math child in class with Juniors... no.

What about Freshman that play a Varsity sport and their whole social group is make up of 17 and 18 year olds. Are parent complaining about Freshman playing Varsity.

No. This is 100% based on racism. It is okay for a freshman to go to Prom with the star white athlete... but when it is a Hispanic kid in their class... all of a sudden it's not safe.

Check yourself.

If you don't understand the difference between a parent choosing to allow their 14 year old girl to take advanced classes and being forced to attend 9th grade with 18 year old men then you are beyond hope.

And my son's advanced math class has many Hispanic students Why would you think that only white students are in advanced math? Take your despicable racisim somewhere else.

I get that you have no logical reasoning skills... but let's try to lead this horse to some water....

if you daughter is in advanced math Freshman year... Algebra 2
if a boy is not in advanced math he will take Algebra 2 Junior year, he could be 18.

If you don't want your 14 year old girl in class with 18 year olds we should forbid freshman from taking Algebra 2?

See how your logic is lost. You can't just make a rule that 14 year olds can't be in class with 18 year olds.

You are racist because you only care about rapes that involve Hispanic men. You are aware that <10% of rapes are committed by Hispanics... your daughter is less safe with a white boys.

My daughter has many Hispanic friends, male and female. Their parents immigrated here when they were younger. I don't know the document status for any of them. They have grown up here and are accustomed to the American way. I feel she is safe with all of them. On the flip side...
I would NEVER feel safe, though, with her hanging out with a man who recently immigrated here after growing up in an environment of violence, where rape is the norm.

It isn't about race or immigration. I would feel equally uncomfortable if a white 19 year old was thrown in 9th grade. Why isn't he in 12th grade? Something isn't right there. I'd be cautious.

Because he didn't have any high school credits from Guatemala. Likely, he was not in school for several years. This is very, very common among the students coming from Central America.

The bolded section above is referring to a white male, presumably a citizen, not a latino. If a 19 year old white male is in 9th grade wouldn't you be equally suspicious?

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Is the school that hard up for per pupil funding? I question the sanity of all involved in making the decision to let him in a traditional high school, let alone 9th grade.

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The bolded section above is referring to a white male, presumably a citizen, not a latino. If a 19 year old white male is in 9th grade wouldn't you be equally suspicious?

But the PP said that it wasn't about race or immigration...

The answer to the question, why does an 18-year-old undocumented recent arrival from Central America have few or no US high school credits?, seems pretty obvious to me.

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I would start with illegal immigrants that traveled here without family (parents).

In order to prevent rapes from occurring in schools, you want MCPS to do a psychiatric evaluation of all unaccompanied minors.

That's kind of like saying -- in order to prevent drunk driving, the police should put ignition interlocks on all vehicles driven by people aged 25-28.

(Note that I am not comparing drunk driving to rape. I am comparing ineffective strategies that don't actually address the problems they purport to address.)

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With all that needs doing in our overcrowded schools, with all the need that there is, it is an absolute outrage that MCPS is throwing recently-arrived, non-English-speaking 18- and 19-year old men into a classroom populated by 14 yr olds. This is completely different from a special needs student or advanced student or remedial student or whatnot that MCPS knows the history of, and makes a determination that putting that student in a freshman classroom makes sense. These 2 men only arrived in the country 7 or 8 months ago. MCPS had no idea who they were when throwing them in to a regular class.

And, someone explain to me why MCPS should be educating a recently-arrived, without parents, illegal immigrant who is an adult, anyway. This makes no sense to me.

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I'd love to hear from teachers at MCPS who actually work with these kids. What has their experience been with the METS kids? Mostly positive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With all that needs doing in our overcrowded schools, with all the need that there is, it is an absolute outrage that MCPS is throwing recently-arrived, non-English-speaking 18- and 19-year old men into a classroom populated by 14 yr olds. This is completely different from a special needs student or advanced student or remedial student or whatnot that MCPS knows the history of, and makes a determination that putting that student in a freshman classroom makes sense. These 2 men only arrived in the country 7 or 8 months ago. MCPS had no idea who they were when throwing them in to a regular class.

And, someone explain to me why MCPS should be educating a recently-arrived, without parents, illegal immigrant who is an adult, anyway. This makes no sense to me.

They weren't in a regular class. They were in the METS program.

Also, recentness of arrival, accompaniment by parents, and immigration status are not relevant to school enrollment, and students without high school diplomas may enroll in school through age 21.

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Anonymous wrote:With all that needs doing in our overcrowded schools, with all the need that there is, it is an absolute outrage that MCPS is throwing recently-arrived, non-English-speaking 18- and 19-year old men into a classroom populated by 14 yr olds. This is completely different from a special needs student or advanced student or remedial student or whatnot that MCPS knows the history of, and makes a determination that putting that student in a freshman classroom makes sense. These 2 men only arrived in the country 7 or 8 months ago. MCPS had no idea who they were when throwing them in to a regular class.

And, someone explain to me why MCPS should be educating a recently-arrived, without parents, illegal immigrant who is an adult, anyway. This makes no sense to me.

They weren't in a regular class. They were in the METS program.

Also, recentness of arrival, accompaniment by parents, and immigration status are not relevant to school enrollment, and students without high school diplomas may enroll in school through age 21.

Without documentation, you have NO idea how old these criminals really are.

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Anonymous wrote:With all that needs doing in our overcrowded schools, with all the need that there is, it is an absolute outrage that MCPS is throwing recently-arrived, non-English-speaking 18- and 19-year old men into a classroom populated by 14 yr olds. This is completely different from a special needs student or advanced student or remedial student or whatnot that MCPS knows the history of, and makes a determination that putting that student in a freshman classroom makes sense. These 2 men only arrived in the country 7 or 8 months ago. MCPS had no idea who they were when throwing them in to a regular class.

And, someone explain to me why MCPS should be educating a recently-arrived, without parents, illegal immigrant who is an adult, anyway. This makes no sense to me.

They weren't in a regular class. They were in the METS program.

Also, recentness of arrival, accompaniment by parents, and immigration status are not relevant to school enrollment, and students without high school diplomas may enroll in school through age 21.

Without documentation, you have NO idea how old these criminals really are.

Without documentation of age, you have no idea how old anybody is. Do you know for a fact that these two people had no documentation of age? Should MCPS refuse to enroll anybody who doesn't have documentation of age?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With all that needs doing in our overcrowded schools, with all the need that there is, it is an absolute outrage that MCPS is throwing recently-arrived, non-English-speaking 18- and 19-year old men into a classroom populated by 14 yr olds. This is completely different from a special needs student or advanced student or remedial student or whatnot that MCPS knows the history of, and makes a determination that putting that student in a freshman classroom makes sense. These 2 men only arrived in the country 7 or 8 months ago. MCPS had no idea who they were when throwing them in to a regular class.

And, someone explain to me why MCPS should be educating a recently-arrived, without parents, illegal immigrant who is an adult, anyway. This makes no sense to me.

They weren't in a regular class. They were in the METS program.

Also, recentness of arrival, accompaniment by parents, and immigration status are not relevant to school enrollment, and students without high school diplomas may enroll in school through age 21.

And that is wrong. Once you hit 20, you should go to an alternative HS or community college to get your GEDs.

Also, I would not think it's great for an 18 yr old's self esteem to be sitting in class with a bunch of 13/14 yr olds.

[Anonymous]

Not a serious academic environment. The school is an teen-adult daycare center. What a waste of taxpayer money and average to good students valuable learning years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With all that needs doing in our overcrowded schools, with all the need that there is, it is an absolute outrage that MCPS is throwing recently-arrived, non-English-speaking 18- and 19-year old men into a classroom populated by 14 yr olds. This is completely different from a special needs student or advanced student or remedial student or whatnot that MCPS knows the history of, and makes a determination that putting that student in a freshman classroom makes sense. These 2 men only arrived in the country 7 or 8 months ago. MCPS had no idea who they were when throwing them in to a regular class.

And, someone explain to me why MCPS should be educating a recently-arrived, without parents, illegal immigrant who is an adult, anyway. This makes no sense to me.

They weren't in a regular class. They were in the METS program.

Also, recentness of arrival, accompaniment by parents, and immigration status are not relevant to school enrollment, and students without high school diplomas may enroll in school through age 21.

And that is wrong. Once you hit 20, you should go to an alternative HS or community college to get your GEDs.

Also, I would not think it's great for an 18 yr old's self esteem to be sitting in class with a bunch of 13/14 yr olds.

Perhaps ask some parents of children with severe disabilities how they feel about reducing the age from 21 to 20.

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Anonymous wrote:With all that needs doing in our overcrowded schools, with all the need that there is, it is an absolute outrage that MCPS is throwing recently-arrived, non-English-speaking 18- and 19-year old men into a classroom populated by 14 yr olds. This is completely different from a special needs student or advanced student or remedial student or whatnot that MCPS knows the history of, and makes a determination that putting that student in a freshman classroom makes sense. These 2 men only arrived in the country 7 or 8 months ago. MCPS had no idea who they were when throwing them in to a regular class.

And, someone explain to me why MCPS should be educating a recently-arrived, without parents, illegal immigrant who is an adult, anyway. This makes no sense to me.

They weren't in a regular class. They were in the METS program.

Also, recentness of arrival, accompaniment by parents, and immigration status are not relevant to school enrollment, and students without high school diplomas may enroll in school through age 21.

Without documentation, you have NO idea how old these criminals really are.

Without documentation of age, you have no idea how old anybody is. Do you know for a fact that these two people had no documentation of age? Should MCPS refuse to enroll anybody who doesn't have documentation of age?

Ummm, I had to show proof of age for my children by bringing in their birth certificates. And yes I think if you are an illegal immigrant, most especially if you are clearly an older student, the you need to show proof of age. Here we are as a county willing to throw all the resources to educate and feed you.. I think the least you can do is show proof of age. My God.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With all that needs doing in our overcrowded schools, with all the need that there is, it is an absolute outrage that MCPS is throwing recently-arrived, non-English-speaking 18- and 19-year old men into a classroom populated by 14 yr olds. This is completely different from a special needs student or advanced student or remedial student or whatnot that MCPS knows the history of, and makes a determination that putting that student in a freshman classroom makes sense. These 2 men only arrived in the country 7 or 8 months ago. MCPS had no idea who they were when throwing them in to a regular class.

And, someone explain to me why MCPS should be educating a recently-arrived, without parents, illegal immigrant who is an adult, anyway. This makes no sense to me.

They weren't in a regular class. They were in the METS program.

Also, recentness of arrival, accompaniment by parents, and immigration status are not relevant to school enrollment, and students without high school diplomas may enroll in school through age 21.

Without documentation, you have NO idea how old these criminals really are.

Without documentation of age, you have no idea how old anybody is. Do you know for a fact that these two people had no documentation of age? Should MCPS refuse to enroll anybody who doesn't have documentation of age?

Yep. I had to show a birth certificate, proof of home address, medical file, etc before my kids could enroll. Maybe I should just tell them I don't have any paperwork and can't remember my address so that my kid can enroll at Whitman.