Girl Raped at Rockville HS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


So, you want this program to be put in all schools?

I'm not the PP, but I think that Montgomery County's segregated housing is a bad thing. And it's the segregated housing that leads to segregated schools, including the concentration of poor kids and English-language learners in some schools and the absence in others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Superintendent has finally spoken to FOX 5 news. Based on the interview, the accused rapists were enrolled in the METS (Multidisciplinary Educational and Training Support) program at the school.
Here's info on the METS program: [url]http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/esol/instruction/mets.aspx
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The METS program of the Montgomery County Public Schools is designed to meet the linguistic and academic needs of English language learners who have had limited or no previous schooling or significant schooling gaps due to interrupted or disrupted education. Students enrolled in the METS program receive instruction in developing English language proficiency and basic literacy and academic skills. Students also receive instruction and support to facilitate adjustment to both the academic and social school environment. The purpose of the METS program is to develop English language proficiency and literacy while providing the instruction and support with academics that will help narrow students' educational gaps and facilitate articulation to non-METS classes.
Students are eligible to attend the METS program when:

They score at level 1 or 2 on the WIDA ACCESS Placement Test (W-APT)
They have had a minimum of two years of a schooling gap
Their age is appropriate for at least 3 rd grade placement
They function at more than three years below grade level in Math

Here are the METS HS locations:
Bethesda Chevy Chase HS
Montgomery Blair HS
Albert Einstein HS
Gaithersburg HS
Richard Montgomery HS
Northwood HS
Quince Orchard HS
Rockville HS
Seneca Valley HS
Springbrook HS
Watkins Mill HS
Wheaton HS

Wow, why not all high schools?

No sure about all above school, but students from some of these schools had a protest after the election and shouted "Build a bridge instead of a wall" on the streets in front of the town hall. I hope the victim was not one of those students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Superintendent has finally spoken to FOX 5 news. Based on the interview, the accused rapists were enrolled in the METS (Multidisciplinary Educational and Training Support) program at the school.
Here's info on the METS program: [url]http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/esol/instruction/mets.aspx
[/url]

The METS program of the Montgomery County Public Schools is designed to meet the linguistic and academic needs of English language learners who have had limited or no previous schooling or significant schooling gaps due to interrupted or disrupted education. Students enrolled in the METS program receive instruction in developing English language proficiency and basic literacy and academic skills. Students also receive instruction and support to facilitate adjustment to both the academic and social school environment. The purpose of the METS program is to develop English language proficiency and literacy while providing the instruction and support with academics that will help narrow students' educational gaps and facilitate articulation to non-METS classes.
Students are eligible to attend the METS program when:

They score at level 1 or 2 on the WIDA ACCESS Placement Test (W-APT)
They have had a minimum of two years of a schooling gap
Their age is appropriate for at least 3 rd grade placement
They function at more than three years below grade level in Math

Here are the METS HS locations:
Bethesda Chevy Chase HS
Montgomery Blair HS
Albert Einstein HS
Gaithersburg HS
Richard Montgomery HS
Northwood HS
Quince Orchard HS
Rockville HS
Seneca Valley HS
Springbrook HS
Watkins Mill HS
Wheaton HS

How about they send them all to the W schools?

Please, if they did that, there would be outrage. That would never fly in the W schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

By the time they graduate they will be 21 or 22. You want your 14 year old going to school with 21 year olds? Regardless of immigration & race, there needs to be a better solution to the age gap. I don't think many people were aware of this, which was brought to the limelight by this tragic rape.

The thinking here seems to be that 21-year-olds are inherently a threat to 14-year-olds. Or, specifically, that 21-year-old men are inherently a threat to 14-year-old girls. All 21-year-old men. By definition. I don't agree with that.

What you aren't understanding is age is one component when it comes to assessing risk. When you combine the below factors, the threat risk goes up considerably. Nowhere do I list race.

18 year old in 9th grade (not educated)
In the country illegally and on a deport list
Comes from a violent country where rapes are probably very common and ignored (this one is the most disturbing)
Does not speak English
School does not have a history of these persons, mental capacity, true age, address for one of them.

So basically, MCPS took 2 people who have come from terrible environments and have probably seen and have become accustomed to horrific atrocities and you throw them in a regular classroom. Why did anyone think this would end well? Did they do a psych evaluation on them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
So basically, MCPS took 2 people who have come from terrible environments and have probably seen and have become accustomed to horrific atrocities and you throw them in a regular classroom. Why did anyone think this would end well? Did they do a psych evaluation on them?

According to the posts above, the students were in the METS program that has self-contained classrooms for Spanish speakers. If so, your contention is incorrect.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

By the time they graduate they will be 21 or 22. You want your 14 year old going to school with 21 year olds? Regardless of immigration & race, there needs to be a better solution to the age gap. I don't think many people were aware of this, which was brought to the limelight by this tragic rape.

The thinking here seems to be that 21-year-olds are inherently a threat to 14-year-olds. Or, specifically, that 21-year-old men are inherently a threat to 14-year-old girls. All 21-year-old men. By definition. I don't agree with that.

What you aren't understanding is age is one component when it comes to assessing risk. When you combine the below factors, the threat risk goes up considerably. Nowhere do I list race.

18 year old in 9th grade (not educated)
In the country illegally and on a deport list
Comes from a violent country where rapes are probably very common and ignored (this one is the most disturbing)
Does not speak English
School does not have a history of these persons, mental capacity, true age, address for one of them.

So basically, MCPS took 2 people who have come from terrible environments and have probably seen and have become accustomed to horrific atrocities and you throw them in a regular classroom. Why did anyone think this would end well? Did they do a psych evaluation on them?

You want MCPS to do psychiatric evaluations on all students without previous school records? Or only the ones who don't speak English? Or who don't speak English and don't have birth certificates? Or who are male over the age of [something]? Or...?

It's easy to predict things after they happen. The likelihood that these two people would rape somebody in a high school bathroom is 1 -- because it actually happened. How many 18-year-olds without papers, from Central America, are there in MCPS? How many of them have raped somebody in a high school bathroom?

If your goal is to prevent rapes in schools, this is an extremely inefficient and ineffective way to achieve that goal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Superintendent has finally spoken to FOX 5 news. Based on the interview, the accused rapists were enrolled in the METS (Multidisciplinary Educational and Training Support) program at the school.
Here's info on the METS program: [url]http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/esol/instruction/mets.aspx
[/url]

The METS program of the Montgomery County Public Schools is designed to meet the linguistic and academic needs of English language learners who have had limited or no previous schooling or significant schooling gaps due to interrupted or disrupted education. Students enrolled in the METS program receive instruction in developing English language proficiency and basic literacy and academic skills. Students also receive instruction and support to facilitate adjustment to both the academic and social school environment. The purpose of the METS program is to develop English language proficiency and literacy while providing the instruction and support with academics that will help narrow students' educational gaps and facilitate articulation to non-METS classes.
Students are eligible to attend the METS program when:

They score at level 1 or 2 on the WIDA ACCESS Placement Test (W-APT)
They have had a minimum of two years of a schooling gap
Their age is appropriate for at least 3 rd grade placement
They function at more than three years below grade level in Math

Here are the METS HS locations:
Bethesda Chevy Chase HS
Montgomery Blair HS
Albert Einstein HS
Gaithersburg HS
Richard Montgomery HS
Northwood HS
Quince Orchard HS
Rockville HS
Seneca Valley HS
Springbrook HS
Watkins Mill HS
Wheaton HS

Wow, why not all high schools?

No sure about all above school, but students from some of these schools had a protest after the election and shouted "Build a bridge instead of a wall" on the streets in front of the town hall. I hope the victim was not one of those students.

Quite a few schools listed participated the protest. They don't like Trump, understandable.

http://rockvillerampage.com/8014/editorials/protesting-is-not-enough-to-have-an-effect-on-policy/

Perhaps majority of the students and their families of these schools support Obama's immigration policy. Even it means you have to scarify campus safety and more. If you are one of such parents/ students, don't complain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So basically, MCPS took 2 people who have come from terrible environments and have probably seen and have become accustomed to horrific atrocities and you throw them in a regular classroom. Why did anyone think this would end well? Did they do a psych evaluation on them?

According to the posts above, the students were in the METS program that has self-contained classrooms for Spanish speakers. If so, your contention is incorrect.

DP here. Are all the METS program classes self-contained? I ask because there are many ESOL type programs in which the students are in gen ed classes for “nonacademic” classes such as PE and some electives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So basically, MCPS took 2 people who have come from terrible environments and have probably seen and have become accustomed to horrific atrocities and you throw them in a regular classroom. Why did anyone think this would end well? Did they do a psych evaluation on them?

According to the posts above, the students were in the METS program that has self-contained classrooms for Spanish speakers. If so, your contention is incorrect.

They take PE and some other classes such as art with the general population. I think the biggest issue is we are not vetting these older students before they enroll into the school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Tell all the parents that are pushing for Algebra in 6th and 7th grade, putting their children in Algebra 2 Freshman year, which is a class typically taken by Juniors who are 17/18.

Are parent complaining about their advance math child in class with Juniors... no.

What about Freshman that play a Varsity sport and their whole social group is make up of 17 and 18 year olds. Are parent complaining about Freshman playing Varsity.

No. This is 100% based on racism. It is okay for a freshman to go to Prom with the star white athlete... but when it is a Hispanic kid in their class... all of a sudden it's not safe.

Check yourself.

If you don't understand the difference between a parent choosing to allow their 14 year old girl to take advanced classes and being forced to attend 9th grade with 18 year old men then you are beyond hope.

And my son's advanced math class has many Hispanic students Why would you think that only white students are in advanced math? Take your despicable racisim somewhere else.

I get that you have no logical reasoning skills... but let's try to lead this horse to some water....

if you daughter is in advanced math Freshman year... Algebra 2
if a boy is not in advanced math he will take Algebra 2 Junior year, he could be 18.

If you don't want your 14 year old girl in class with 18 year olds we should forbid freshman from taking Algebra 2?

See how your logic is lost. You can't just make a rule that 14 year olds can't be in class with 18 year olds.

You are racist because you only care about rapes that involve Hispanic men. You are aware that <10% of rapes are committed by Hispanics... your daughter is less safe with a white boys.

My daughter has many Hispanic friends, male and female. Their parents immigrated here when they were younger. I don't know the document status for any of them. They have grown up here and are accustomed to the American way. I feel she is safe with all of them. On the flip side...
I would NEVER feel safe, though, with her hanging out with a man who recently immigrated here after growing up in an environment of violence, where rape is the norm.

It isn't about race or immigration. I would feel equally uncomfortable if a white 19 year old was thrown in 9th grade. Why isn't he in 12th grade? Something isn't right there. I'd be cautious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
You are racist because you only care about rapes that involve Hispanic men. You are aware that <10% of rapes are committed by Hispanics... your daughter is less safe with a white boys.

My daughter has many Hispanic friends, male and female. Their parents immigrated here when they were younger. I don't know the document status for any of them. They have grown up here and are accustomed to the American way. I feel she is safe with all of them. On the flip side...
I would NEVER feel safe, though, with her hanging out with a man who recently immigrated here after growing up in an environment of violence, where rape is the norm.

It isn't about race or immigration. I would feel equally uncomfortable if a white 19 year old was thrown in 9th grade. Why isn't he in 12th grade? Something isn't right there. I'd be cautious.

Perhaps because he didn't have access to schooling in his country of origin and doesn't speak English.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Tell all the parents that are pushing for Algebra in 6th and 7th grade, putting their children in Algebra 2 Freshman year, which is a class typically taken by Juniors who are 17/18.

Are parent complaining about their advance math child in class with Juniors... no.

What about Freshman that play a Varsity sport and their whole social group is make up of 17 and 18 year olds. Are parent complaining about Freshman playing Varsity.

No. This is 100% based on racism. It is okay for a freshman to go to Prom with the star white athlete... but when it is a Hispanic kid in their class... all of a sudden it's not safe.

Check yourself.

If you don't understand the difference between a parent choosing to allow their 14 year old girl to take advanced classes and being forced to attend 9th grade with 18 year old men then you are beyond hope.

And my son's advanced math class has many Hispanic students Why would you think that only white students are in advanced math? Take your despicable racisim somewhere else.

I get that you have no logical reasoning skills... but let's try to lead this horse to some water....

if you daughter is in advanced math Freshman year... Algebra 2
if a boy is not in advanced math he will take Algebra 2 Junior year, he could be 18.

If you don't want your 14 year old girl in class with 18 year olds we should forbid freshman from taking Algebra 2?

See how your logic is lost. You can't just make a rule that 14 year olds can't be in class with 18 year olds.

You are racist because you only care about rapes that involve Hispanic men. You are aware that <10% of rapes are committed by Hispanics... your daughter is less safe with a white boys.

My daughter has many Hispanic friends, male and female. Their parents immigrated here when they were younger. I don't know the document status for any of them. They have grown up here and are accustomed to the American way. I feel she is safe with all of them. On the flip side...
I would NEVER feel safe, though, with her hanging out with a man who recently immigrated here after growing up in an environment of violence, where rape is the norm.

It isn't about race or immigration. I would feel equally uncomfortable if a white 19 year old was thrown in 9th grade. Why isn't he in 12th grade? Something isn't right there. I'd be cautious.

Because he didn't have any high school credits from Guatemala. Likely, he was not in school for several years. This is very, very common among the students coming from Central America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Tell all the parents that are pushing for Algebra in 6th and 7th grade, putting their children in Algebra 2 Freshman year, which is a class typically taken by Juniors who are 17/18.

Are parent complaining about their advance math child in class with Juniors... no.

What about Freshman that play a Varsity sport and their whole social group is make up of 17 and 18 year olds. Are parent complaining about Freshman playing Varsity.

No. This is 100% based on racism. It is okay for a freshman to go to Prom with the star white athlete... but when it is a Hispanic kid in their class... all of a sudden it's not safe.

Check yourself.

If you don't understand the difference between a parent choosing to allow their 14 year old girl to take advanced classes and being forced to attend 9th grade with 18 year old men then you are beyond hope.

And my son's advanced math class has many Hispanic students Why would you think that only white students are in advanced math? Take your despicable racisim somewhere else.

I get that you have no logical reasoning skills... but let's try to lead this horse to some water....

if you daughter is in advanced math Freshman year... Algebra 2
if a boy is not in advanced math he will take Algebra 2 Junior year, he could be 18.

If you don't want your 14 year old girl in class with 18 year olds we should forbid freshman from taking Algebra 2?

See how your logic is lost. You can't just make a rule that 14 year olds can't be in class with 18 year olds.

You are racist because you only care about rapes that involve Hispanic men. You are aware that <10% of rapes are committed by Hispanics... your daughter is less safe with a white boys.

My daughter has many Hispanic friends, male and female. Their parents immigrated here when they were younger. I don't know the document status for any of them. They have grown up here and are accustomed to the American way. I feel she is safe with all of them. On the flip side...
I would NEVER feel safe, though, with her hanging out with a man who recently immigrated here after growing up in an environment of violence, where rape is the norm.

It isn't about race or immigration. I would feel equally uncomfortable if a white 19 year old was thrown in 9th grade. Why isn't he in 12th grade? Something isn't right there. I'd be cautious.

Because he didn't have any high school credits from Guatemala. Likely, he was not in school for several years. This is very, very common among the students coming from Central America.

Do you really believe this rapist was a "student coming from Central America"?

Oh my!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Tell all the parents that are pushing for Algebra in 6th and 7th grade, putting their children in Algebra 2 Freshman year, which is a class typically taken by Juniors who are 17/18.

Are parent complaining about their advance math child in class with Juniors... no.

What about Freshman that play a Varsity sport and their whole social group is make up of 17 and 18 year olds. Are parent complaining about Freshman playing Varsity.

No. This is 100% based on racism. It is okay for a freshman to go to Prom with the star white athlete... but when it is a Hispanic kid in their class... all of a sudden it's not safe.

Check yourself.

If you don't understand the difference between a parent choosing to allow their 14 year old girl to take advanced classes and being forced to attend 9th grade with 18 year old men then you are beyond hope.

And my son's advanced math class has many Hispanic students Why would you think that only white students are in advanced math? Take your despicable racisim somewhere else.

I get that you have no logical reasoning skills... but let's try to lead this horse to some water....

if you daughter is in advanced math Freshman year... Algebra 2
if a boy is not in advanced math he will take Algebra 2 Junior year, he could be 18.

If you don't want your 14 year old girl in class with 18 year olds we should forbid freshman from taking Algebra 2?

See how your logic is lost. You can't just make a rule that 14 year olds can't be in class with 18 year olds.

You are racist because you only care about rapes that involve Hispanic men. You are aware that <10% of rapes are committed by Hispanics... your daughter is less safe with a white boys.

My daughter has many Hispanic friends, male and female. Their parents immigrated here when they were younger. I don't know the document status for any of them. They have grown up here and are accustomed to the American way. I feel she is safe with all of them. On the flip side...
I would NEVER feel safe, though, with her hanging out with a man who recently immigrated here after growing up in an environment of violence, where rape is the norm.

It isn't about race or immigration. I would feel equally uncomfortable if a white 19 year old was thrown in 9th grade. Why isn't he in 12th grade? Something isn't right there. I'd be cautious.

Because he didn't have any high school credits from Guatemala. Likely, he was not in school for several years. This is very, very common among the students coming from Central America.

Do you really believe this rapist was a "student coming from Central America"?

Oh my!

What does that even mean? He was a enrolled as student in MOCO and he's from Central America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Do you really believe this rapist was a "student coming from Central America"?

Oh my!

DP. It's a factual statement. He was a student -- that's why he was at the school. And he comes from Central America.