Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Black people in the UK have similar issues. They're over reprrsentrd in prison and east Asians are under represented. Similar pattern to the USA but without Jim crow.

Slavery and racism existed (exists) there too. ??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

n New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related Black households had two parents.[29] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the Black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among the Black population.[27] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[30] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African-American families consisted of single mothers than married households with both parents.[31] Most recently, in 2011; it was reported that 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.[26]

This along with the crack epidemic of the 1980s which is again ELECTIVE POOR BEHAVIOR is the cause of the collective failure of too much of black society not racisim

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

n New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related Black households had two parents.[29] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the Black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among the Black population.[27] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[30] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African-American families consisted of single mothers than married households with both parents.[31] Most recently, in 2011; it was reported that 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.[26]

This along with the crack epidemic of the 1980s which is again ELECTIVE POOR BEHAVIOR is the cause of the collective failure of too much of black society not racisim

I agree. The problem is you'll be called a racist if you point out that the high out-of-wedlock among blacks is strongly correlated to the high poverty rate. All it takes to get out of poverty is 1) finish high school, and 2) don't have babies until you are married.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Black people in the UK have similar issues. They're over reprrsentrd in prison and east Asians are under represented. Similar pattern to the USA but without Jim crow.

Slavery and racism existed (exists) there too. ??

Yep Africans were enslaved in England since the time of Rome. Roman soldiers would have African slaves build Hadrian's wall and much of Londonium. Africans never were allowed to enjoin the free rights of Englishmen as the British Constitution explictrly held them a caste apart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

n New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related Black households had two parents.[29] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the Black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among the Black population.[27] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[30] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African-American families consisted of single mothers than married households with both parents.[31] Most recently, in 2011; it was reported that 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.[26]

This along with the crack epidemic of the 1980s which is again ELECTIVE POOR BEHAVIOR is the cause of the collective failure of too much of black society not racisim

I agree. The problem is you'll be called a racist if you point out that the high out-of-wedlock among blacks is strongly correlated to the high poverty rate. All it takes to get out of poverty is 1) finish high school, and 2) don't have babies until you are married.

It’s not that simple.
https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04/escaping-poverty-requires-almost-20-years-with-nearly-nothing-going-wrong/524727/

[Anonymous]

OP - any thoughts on this thread?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/829150.page

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP - any thoughts on this thread?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/829150.page

So Duke, an extremely liberal university, puts out research focusing condemnation on whites who are admitted unfairly, even though Harvard is not releasing individual scores so it's hard to judge? If grades and scores were the determining factor, the percentage of blacks would drop. That's why colleges have come up with this "holistic" nonsense - to find a way to favor blacks over whites while not blatantly making racist admission decisions (which is when you have two different admissions standards, one for whites and an "easier" one for blacks.)

Income-based AA is the only way to be fair to everyone who has had the bad luck of being raised in a low-income home with uneducated parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

n New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related Black households had two parents.[29] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the Black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among the Black population.[27] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[30] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African-American families consisted of single mothers than married households with both parents.[31] Most recently, in 2011; it was reported that 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.[26]

This along with the crack epidemic of the 1980s which is again ELECTIVE POOR BEHAVIOR is the cause of the collective failure of too much of black society not racisim

I agree. The problem is you'll be called a racist if you point out that the high out-of-wedlock among blacks is strongly correlated to the high poverty rate. All it takes to get out of poverty is 1) finish high school, and 2) don't have babies until you are married.

It’s not that simple.
https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04/escaping-poverty-requires-almost-20-years-with-nearly-nothing-going-wrong/524727/

lol what a load of garbage. Yes it's the elites that are forcing people to commit crimes refuse to pay attention and attend school and do drugs and have unportected sex

another liberal playing the victim card for these folks instead of personal responsibility to give a damn about the future

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - here (^^) is the reason why we still need AA. Nasty racist a-holes like this guy.

Eh, he’s not entirely wrong. Until someone can explain to me why 6% of the population commits over 50% of violent crimes in this country I’m going to believe that there are some moral failings in the black community. #uglytruths

Maybe they have fewer options because they’ve been forced into poverty and have had a foot at their neck, holding them down for generations?

As PP said, “you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50“. Many are still stuck in the cycle of poverty due to racist policies.

How should we break the cycle of poverty so less people turn to crime? What are your bright ideas if you are against AA?

Just once I’d like to hear somebody take some accountability for the behavior of black people. Yes, there is a terrible history of racism but there is also a terrible history of violence.

The violence stems from poverty.
https://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publications/violence

and yet somehow low income asians generally have much better outcomes along with whites and hispanics. Could it perhaps be I dunno the high rate of poor choices amongst African Americans like out of wedlock births and dropping out of school which have NOTHNIG TO DO WITH RACISIM YOU STUPID LIBERALS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American_family_structure

n New York City in 1925, 85% of kin-related Black households had two parents.[29] When Moynihan warned in his 1965 report on the coming destruction of the Black family, however, the out-of-wedlock birthrate had increased to 25% among the Black population.[27] This figure continued to rise over time and in 1991, 68% of Black children were born outside of marriage.[30] U.S. Census data from 2010 reveal that more African-American families consisted of single mothers than married households with both parents.[31] Most recently, in 2011; it was reported that 72% of Black babies were born to unmarried mothers.[26]

This along with the crack epidemic of the 1980s which is again ELECTIVE POOR BEHAVIOR is the cause of the collective failure of too much of black society not racisim

I agree. The problem is you'll be called a racist if you point out that the high out-of-wedlock among blacks is strongly correlated to the high poverty rate. All it takes to get out of poverty is 1) finish high school, and 2) don't have babies until you are married.

It’s not that simple.
https://www.citylab.com/life/2017/04/escaping-poverty-requires-almost-20-years-with-nearly-nothing-going-wrong/524727/

lol what a load of garbage. Yes it's the elites that are forcing people to commit crimes refuse to pay attention and attend school and do drugs and have unportected sex

another liberal playing the victim card for these folks instead of personal responsibility to give a damn about the future

Yup.

Is there a single liberal on this forum who is willing to acknowledge that at least SOME of the problems on the black community are the results of their own no, behavior and choices? You can't blame poverty and prejudice entirely. Are the European Jews wallowing in poverty after their own grandparents were stripped naked, paraded before Nazi monsters, and then gassed with their little children screaming by their side? NO. And why not? Because they did two things: got married before punching out the babies, and then sacrificing to send them to college.

Liberals hate when you bring up the success of Jews. It destroys their myth that poverty can be blamed on bigotry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - any thoughts on this thread?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/829150.page

So Duke, an extremely liberal university, puts out research focusing condemnation on whites who are admitted unfairly, even though Harvard is not releasing individual scores so it's hard to judge? If grades and scores were the determining factor, the percentage of blacks would drop. That's why colleges have come up with this "holistic" nonsense - to find a way to favor blacks over whites while not blatantly making racist admission decisions (which is when you have two different admissions standards, one for whites and an "easier" one for blacks.)

Income-based AA is the only way to be fair to everyone who has had the bad luck of being raised in a low-income home with uneducated parents.

So what do you think about the ADLCs?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - any thoughts on this thread?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/829150.page

So Duke, an extremely liberal university, puts out research focusing condemnation on whites who are admitted unfairly, even though Harvard is not releasing individual scores so it's hard to judge? If grades and scores were the determining factor, the percentage of blacks would drop. That's why colleges have come up with this "holistic" nonsense - to find a way to favor blacks over whites while not blatantly making racist admission decisions (which is when you have two different admissions standards, one for whites and an "easier" one for blacks.)

Income-based AA is the only way to be fair to everyone who has had the bad luck of being raised in a low-income home with uneducated parents.

So what do you think about the ADLCs?

So long as the policy isn't racist, like Affirmative Action is, I don't really have a problem with the admissions criteria used by colleges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - any thoughts on this thread?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/829150.page

So Duke, an extremely liberal university, puts out research focusing condemnation on whites who are admitted unfairly, even though Harvard is not releasing individual scores so it's hard to judge? If grades and scores were the determining factor, the percentage of blacks would drop. That's why colleges have come up with this "holistic" nonsense - to find a way to favor blacks over whites while not blatantly making racist admission decisions (which is when you have two different admissions standards, one for whites and an "easier" one for blacks.)

Income-based AA is the only way to be fair to everyone who has had the bad luck of being raised in a low-income home with uneducated parents.

So what do you think about the ADLCs?

So long as the policy isn't racist, like Affirmative Action is, I don't really have a problem with the admissions criteria used by colleges.

Are you OP? So you don't care about the "poor white kids" anymore?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP - any thoughts on this thread?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/829150.page

So Duke, an extremely liberal university, puts out research focusing condemnation on whites who are admitted unfairly, even though Harvard is not releasing individual scores so it's hard to judge? If grades and scores were the determining factor, the percentage of blacks would drop. That's why colleges have come up with this "holistic" nonsense - to find a way to favor blacks over whites while not blatantly making racist admission decisions (which is when you have two different admissions standards, one for whites and an "easier" one for blacks.)

Income-based AA is the only way to be fair to everyone who has had the bad luck of being raised in a low-income home with uneducated parents.

So what do you think about the ADLCs?

So long as the policy isn't racist, like Affirmative Action is, I don't really have a problem with the admissions criteria used by colleges.

Are you OP? So you don't care about the "poor white kids" anymore?

No I am not the OP. I care about poor kids in general, not of any particular race. If they used socioeconomic status as context for their admissions, I don't have a problem with that at all. I just have an issue with using skin color, because that's racist.