Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

[Anonymous]

10:17 was very polite, but OP still won't answer her questions. Why is that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The three races are Causacoid, Mongloid, and Negroid. Along those lines, there are Jewish Causacoids, Jewish Mongloids, and Jewish Negroids.

There is no Jewish race. People who insist on segregating Jews as a separate race are showing their anti-Semitic stripes.

Where do people who are indigenous to the Americas fit in? American Indians, etc.

Mongloid. You really didn’t know that? Remember the land bridge?

Sounds like old-timey definitions of race.

Here are the US categories for this discussion.
https://www.census.gov/topics/population/race/about.html

Wrong. Your page clearly says these are categories based on race AND enthnicity. If you go by race only, it's the three races named above.

For this discussion, these are the relevant definitions. Race is just a social construct and our society currently uses these modern definitions.

If race is a social construct where does that leave dna evidence?

What evidence?

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2018/04/race-genetics-science-africa/
“It's been used to define and separate people for millennia. But the concept of race is not grounded in genetics.”

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/race-is-a-social-construct-scientists-argue/
“"What the study of complete genomes from different parts of the world has shown is that even between Africa and Europe, for example, there is not a single absolute genetic difference, meaning no single variant where all Africans have one variant and all Europeans another one, even when recent migration is disregarded,"”

+1.

Time to move on.

Racists, please accept facts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You clearly didn’t read the 1619 Project. Learn some history. Get over yourself. Black people aren’t taking anything away from you.

1619 project is an anti-Trump propaganda piece used by NYT to shift national attention away from their failed attempt to bring Trump down with falsified claims of Russian collusion. The NYT editors explicitly admitted this: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/new-york-times-meeting-transcript.html

“Ball of Collusion”

Yup

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an upper-middle class area, and the neighbors were all engineers, Ph.D.'s, accountants, and economists. Why should the black children in the neighborhood get a "leg-up" over high-achieving poor whites in Brooklyn (or wherever) when it comes to getting into a competitive college?

Affirmative action should be based on a combination of better-than-average-grades and family income. This could be accomplished by giving "special chance" points to the top 5% in every school who ALSO has a family income of less than $100,000. In the inner-city and poor rural areas, just about everyone is from a sub-$100,000 family, so the top 5% get the special-chance points. Thus, in a crappy DC public school with 400 graduating seniors, about 20 would get the AA points. In a wealthy Bethesda W school, perhaps only 1 or 2 would (because a high family income would disqualify the others).

In addition, kids qualifying for special-chance points would get the equivalent of tuition of the state's 4-year public university. End result is the exceptional kids from lower-middle-class (or poorer) families get the leg up in admission AND tuition support.

Race would not be a factor (although since black families earn less than whites, on average, they would still benefit disproptionately).

OP, why are you singling out Black children? If the underlying premise of your question is that all college admissions should be income and merit based, as opposed to considering racial representation, then singling out Black children in your post makes you appear anti-Black. To be clear, I am not calling you anti-Black, I am only saying that your written words make you appear so. Especially, since there are other unidentified POC groups within the US and territories that you could have included in your post. Presumably, those groups also get POC points towards college admissions, too. Unless, of course, you believe that Blacks are also getting preferential treatment over those groups as well. Either way, you had ample opportunity in your post to mention other groups, or speak more generally. Clearly, you chose to single out Blacks. If you are anti-Black, that is your right. You have a right to like/hate anyone you want. However, you don't have a right to impose your hate on anyone other than your offspring.

Continuing, the basis of your opposition to racial affirmative action is flawed. I have an idea, lets use facts and reality. In the real world, Princeton detailed the admission statistics for the Class of 2023 ( https://admission.princeton.edu/how-apply/admission-statistics )

Class of 2023
32, 804 - applicants
1896 - admissions
1343 - enrollees
24% - 455/322 Asians
11% - 208/148 Latinx
11% - 208/148 International
7% - 132/94 African Americans
7% - 132/94 Multiracial (non Hispanic)
<1% - First Nation
40% - 758/537 white (Princeton didn't include whites in their diversity table. Who's the white man that made that call?)

Whether admitted or enrolled, whites still comprise the majority of Princeton students. Unfortunately, we don't know the racial percentage of applicants, for the Class of 2023. However, it is safe to conclude that the majority of applicants were white. What you probably haven't considered is that, even if no Blacks were admitted in the Class of 2023, the admission/enrolled slots divided amongst the remaining diversity groups, negligibly increases the likelihood of admission for a white student. (see https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2002/04/14/the-myth-and-math-of-affirmative-action/60096413-672b-4a4f-8dd1-8d38a7f282e9/ )Bottom line is that Princeton is not going to admit a whole lotta people.There's still going to be about 30000 rejection letters. Man, a whole lotta white kids going to be sad. Thems the breaks.

Lastly, I don't know you because this is an anonymous forum. I don't know your heart, the quality of your upbringing, or the frequency and intensity of your personal interactions with Black people. I only know what you typed. Erase the Hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an upper-middle class area, and the neighbors were all engineers, Ph.D.'s, accountants, and economists. Why should the black children in the neighborhood get a "leg-up" over high-achieving poor whites in Brooklyn (or wherever) when it comes to getting into a competitive college?

Affirmative action should be based on a combination of better-than-average-grades and family income. This could be accomplished by giving "special chance" points to the top 5% in every school who ALSO has a family income of less than $100,000. In the inner-city and poor rural areas, just about everyone is from a sub-$100,000 family, so the top 5% get the special-chance points. Thus, in a crappy DC public school with 400 graduating seniors, about 20 would get the AA points. In a wealthy Bethesda W school, perhaps only 1 or 2 would (because a high family income would disqualify the others).

In addition, kids qualifying for special-chance points would get the equivalent of tuition of the state's 4-year public university. End result is the exceptional kids from lower-middle-class (or poorer) families get the leg up in admission AND tuition support.

Race would not be a factor (although since black families earn less than whites, on average, they would still benefit disproptionately).

OP, why are you singling out Black children? If the underlying premise of your question is that all college admissions should be income and merit based, as opposed to considering racial representation, then singling out Black children in your post makes you appear anti-Black. To be clear, I am not calling you anti-Black, I am only saying that your written words make you appear so. Especially, since there are other unidentified POC groups within the US and territories that you could have included in your post. Presumably, those groups also get POC points towards college admissions, too. Unless, of course, you believe that Blacks are also getting preferential treatment over those groups as well. Either way, you had ample opportunity in your post to mention other groups, or speak more generally. Clearly, you chose to single out Blacks. If you are anti-Black, that is your right. You have a right to like/hate anyone you want. However, you don't have a right to impose your hate on anyone other than your offspring.

Continuing, the basis of your opposition to racial affirmative action is flawed. I have an idea, lets use facts and reality. In the real world, Princeton detailed the admission statistics for the Class of 2023 ( https://admission.princeton.edu/how-apply/admission-statistics )

Class of 2023
32, 804 - applicants
1896 - admissions
1343 - enrollees
24% - 455/322 Asians
11% - 208/148 Latinx
11% - 208/148 International
7% - 132/94 African Americans
7% - 132/94 Multiracial (non Hispanic)
<1% - First Nation
40% - 758/537 white (Princeton didn't include whites in their diversity table. Who's the white man that made that call?)

Whether admitted or enrolled, whites still comprise the majority of Princeton students. Unfortunately, we don't know the racial percentage of applicants, for the Class of 2023. However, it is safe to conclude that the majority of applicants were white. What you probably haven't considered is that, even if no Blacks were admitted in the Class of 2023, the admission/enrolled slots divided amongst the remaining diversity groups, negligibly increases the likelihood of admission for a white student. (see https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2002/04/14/the-myth-and-math-of-affirmative-action/60096413-672b-4a4f-8dd1-8d38a7f282e9/ )Bottom line is that Princeton is not going to admit a whole lotta people.There's still going to be about 30000 rejection letters. Man, a whole lotta white kids going to be sad. Thems the breaks.

Lastly, I don't know you because this is an anonymous forum. I don't know your heart, the quality of your upbringing, or the frequency and intensity of your personal interactions with Black people. I only know what you typed. Erase the Hate.

Can you break down the applicants by race/ethnicity too? It would be interesting to see the disparity or similarity between applicant rates and acceptance rates. Also, do you have the avg. GPA and avg. test scores and avg. household income for those accepted by race? Would like to see if there is bias for a given group(s) based on something other than academic performance and economic situation. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Are people still whining about “racism”? Give me a break. The only racism in this country now is against white people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in an upper-middle class area, and the neighbors were all engineers, Ph.D.'s, accountants, and economists. Why should the black children in the neighborhood get a "leg-up" over high-achieving poor whites in Brooklyn (or wherever) when it comes to getting into a competitive college?

Affirmative action should be based on a combination of better-than-average-grades and family income. This could be accomplished by giving "special chance" points to the top 5% in every school who ALSO has a family income of less than $100,000. In the inner-city and poor rural areas, just about everyone is from a sub-$100,000 family, so the top 5% get the special-chance points. Thus, in a crappy DC public school with 400 graduating seniors, about 20 would get the AA points. In a wealthy Bethesda W school, perhaps only 1 or 2 would (because a high family income would disqualify the others).

In addition, kids qualifying for special-chance points would get the equivalent of tuition of the state's 4-year public university. End result is the exceptional kids from lower-middle-class (or poorer) families get the leg up in admission AND tuition support.

Race would not be a factor (although since black families earn less than whites, on average, they would still benefit disproptionately).

OP, why are you singling out Black children? If the underlying premise of your question is that all college admissions should be income and merit based, as opposed to considering racial representation, then singling out Black children in your post makes you appear anti-Black. To be clear, I am not calling you anti-Black, I am only saying that your written words make you appear so. Especially, since there are other unidentified POC groups within the US and territories that you could have included in your post. Presumably, those groups also get POC points towards college admissions, too. Unless, of course, you believe that Blacks are also getting preferential treatment over those groups as well. Either way, you had ample opportunity in your post to mention other groups, or speak more generally. Clearly, you chose to single out Blacks. If you are anti-Black, that is your right. You have a right to like/hate anyone you want. However, you don't have a right to impose your hate on anyone other than your offspring.

Continuing, the basis of your opposition to racial affirmative action is flawed. I have an idea, lets use facts and reality. In the real world, Princeton detailed the admission statistics for the Class of 2023 ( https://admission.princeton.edu/how-apply/admission-statistics )

Class of 2023
32, 804 - applicants
1896 - admissions
1343 - enrollees
24% - 455/322 Asians
11% - 208/148 Latinx
11% - 208/148 International
7% - 132/94 African Americans
7% - 132/94 Multiracial (non Hispanic)
<1% - First Nation
40% - 758/537 white (Princeton didn't include whites in their diversity table. Who's the white man that made that call?)

Whether admitted or enrolled, whites still comprise the majority of Princeton students. Unfortunately, we don't know the racial percentage of applicants, for the Class of 2023. However, it is safe to conclude that the majority of applicants were white. What you probably haven't considered is that, even if no Blacks were admitted in the Class of 2023, the admission/enrolled slots divided amongst the remaining diversity groups, negligibly increases the likelihood of admission for a white student. (see https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/opinions/2002/04/14/the-myth-and-math-of-affirmative-action/60096413-672b-4a4f-8dd1-8d38a7f282e9/ )Bottom line is that Princeton is not going to admit a whole lotta people.There's still going to be about 30000 rejection letters. Man, a whole lotta white kids going to be sad. Thems the breaks.

Lastly, I don't know you because this is an anonymous forum. I don't know your heart, the quality of your upbringing, or the frequency and intensity of your personal interactions with Black people. I only know what you typed. Erase the Hate.

You must no have had a whole “lotta” education if you can’t understand that 40% isn’t a majority. I don’t know your mind, but I’m guessing it’s not that sharp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are people still whining about “racism”? Give me a break. The only racism in this country now is against white people.

Sure thing, David Duke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are people still whining about “racism”? Give me a break. The only racism in this country now is against white people.

+1.

It's some kind of addiction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people still whining about “racism”? Give me a break. The only racism in this country now is against white people.

+1.

It's some kind of addiction.

I know, I know. I mean, you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50 and then wonder why they won't shut the hell up.

We get it.

The tiny slice black people get is just too much for you. You need 100%. Our bad.

Would love to see that racism against white people that you speak of. 1000 companies in the Fortune 1000, 996 of the CEOs are not black. It should be 1000. Damn, how did those 4 get through????

7 in 10 senior executives in Fortune 500 companies are white men. Damn it, did women get through. How dare they?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people still whining about “racism”? Give me a break. The only racism in this country now is against white people.

+1.

It's some kind of addiction.

I know, I know. I mean, you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50 and then wonder why they won't shut the hell up.

We get it.

The tiny slice black people get is just too much for you. You need 100%. Our bad.

Would love to see that racism against white people that you speak of. 1000 companies in the Fortune 1000, 996 of the CEOs are not black. It should be 1000. Damn, how did those 4 get through????

7 in 10 senior executives in Fortune 500 companies are white men. Damn it, did women get through. How dare they?

Only problem is, none of those things happened to YOU.

And, meanwhile, you are ignoring horrible things that happened to MILLIONS of other people alive today, black or white or whatever.

Go cry a river to a river...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are people still whining about “racism”? Give me a break. The only racism in this country now is against white people.

+1.

It's some kind of addiction.

I know, I know. I mean, you shackle people for 400 years, have Jim Crow for another 50, discriminate against them for another 50 and then wonder why they won't shut the hell up.

We get it.

The tiny slice black people get is just too much for you. You need 100%. Our bad.

Would love to see that racism against white people that you speak of. 1000 companies in the Fortune 1000, 996 of the CEOs are not black. It should be 1000. Damn, how did those 4 get through????

7 in 10 senior executives in Fortune 500 companies are white men. Damn it, did women get through. How dare they?

Very well said. It will fall on deaf ears though. Haters gonna hate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We get it.

The tiny slice black people get is just too much for you. You need 100%. Our bad.

Would love to see that racism against white people that you speak of.

Do you consider the Federal Government "a tiny slice"?

[Anonymous]

'Affirmative Action' used to be called PARENTING.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We get it.

The tiny slice black people get is just too much for you. You need 100%. Our bad.

Would love to see that racism against white people that you speak of.

Do you consider the Federal Government "a tiny slice"?

Oh no! Racist wants a fed job? Sorry - they have met their quota of assholes already. Trump's administration filled all of those positions.