What’s going on with the two bills?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now supporting BBB: coal miners

The White House would have more credibility here if they quit trying to expand the SALT deduction, something that not many coal miners benefit from.

Fair point

[Anonymous]

And maybe people should focus on the real roadblocks. Not convenient talking points

Four House Democrats — Suozzi and Reps. Mikie Sherrill, Josh Gottheimer and Bill Pascrell of New Jersey — have gone public so far with their insistence on SALT reinstatement in the upcoming package.

just amazing how MSM ignores the cause of the BBB failure.

SALT increase doomed it. It will go nowhere with the pork handouts to rich democrat millionaires.

And it is not Manchin causing the problem, it is these wealthy Democrats from New York and New Jersey. they don't give a damn about the middle class.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/30/blue-state-democrats-salt-taxes-478556

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And maybe people should focus on the real roadblocks. Not convenient talking points

Four House Democrats — Suozzi and Reps. Mikie Sherrill, Josh Gottheimer and Bill Pascrell of New Jersey — have gone public so far with their insistence on SALT reinstatement in the upcoming package.

just amazing how MSM ignores the cause of the BBB failure.

SALT increase doomed it. It will go nowhere with the pork handouts to rich democrat millionaires.

And it is not Manchin causing the problem, it is these wealthy Democrats from New York and New Jersey. they don't give a damn about the middle class.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/30/blue-state-democrats-salt-taxes-478556

So only 4 out of 435 members of the House have gone on the record and said they want a SALT increase? If that is the case, then why aren't they being steamrolled?

What Republicans sponsored an amendment to keep SALT as it is? Who voted against such an amendment?

Or is this all just talk?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Serious question-

If they kept the SALT deduction to $10k and lowered the income limit for the CTC, my guess is the total cost of the bill is closer to Manchin’s affordability number. Why not compromise on that? I see Manchin’s counter offer says basically that.

Umm no it doesn't. Manchin's counter-offer is $1.8B for subsidized ACA, 10 years fully paid for national Pre-K, and Climate. It does not include CTC at all. That's the sticker. White House should have accepted.

Why the heck do they keep calling it a “tax credit” when there is NO work requirement? Manchin is right, it’s insane. And it’s NOT A TAX CREDIT!

I've been saying this all along. Call it what it is..... a bribe.

Not really. It's another welfare program like welfare, medicare, medicaid, WIC, etc. It's just that it is not needs-based. It's just a welfare program for people with children, whether they need it or not. At least the other welfare programs are need-based.

Its not welfare. Call it what is is - UBI for kids. The progressives thought they'd be cute and give it a misnomer to pass it.

It would more than pay for itself if it were passed with free, easily available birth control. That would cut the cost of WIC, CHIP and other similar programs in half. But Republicans who claim to be fiscal conservatives oppose that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And maybe people should focus on the real roadblocks. Not convenient talking points

Four House Democrats — Suozzi and Reps. Mikie Sherrill, Josh Gottheimer and Bill Pascrell of New Jersey — have gone public so far with their insistence on SALT reinstatement in the upcoming package.

just amazing how MSM ignores the cause of the BBB failure.

SALT increase doomed it. It will go nowhere with the pork handouts to rich democrat millionaires.

And it is not Manchin causing the problem, it is these wealthy Democrats from New York and New Jersey. they don't give a damn about the middle class.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/30/blue-state-democrats-salt-taxes-478556

You seem to have missed the boat entirely on this.

The BBB passed in the House on November 19, despite the resistance of those 4 Democrats. In fact, they resistance was in large part because it was painless for them to vote nay. If there were insufficient votes to pass without those four then it might have been significant that they objected, but they objected for political reasons, just to appease their base back home (many of whom are hit hard by the SALT caps). It was sunk in the Senate because they did not have the 50 votes needed to pass (with VP Harris' tie-breaking vote).

Manchin is a US Senator, not a Representative.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And maybe people should focus on the real roadblocks. Not convenient talking points

Four House Democrats — Suozzi and Reps. Mikie Sherrill, Josh Gottheimer and Bill Pascrell of New Jersey — have gone public so far with their insistence on SALT reinstatement in the upcoming package.

just amazing how MSM ignores the cause of the BBB failure.

SALT increase doomed it. It will go nowhere with the pork handouts to rich democrat millionaires.

And it is not Manchin causing the problem, it is these wealthy Democrats from New York and New Jersey. they don't give a damn about the middle class.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/30/blue-state-democrats-salt-taxes-478556

You seem to have missed the boat entirely on this.

The BBB passed in the House on November 19, despite the resistance of those 4 Democrats. In fact, they resistance was in large part because it was painless for them to vote nay. If there were insufficient votes to pass without those four then it might have been significant that they objected, but they objected for political reasons, just to appease their base back home (many of whom are hit hard by the SALT caps). It was sunk in the Senate because they did not have the 50 votes needed to pass (with VP Harris' tie-breaking vote).

Manchin is a US Senator, not a Representative.

Lots of ignorance and confusion here. Talk about missing the boat.......

The bill that passed in the House CONTAINED the SALT provision these House members wanted.
They have expressed that they don't want it taken out of any bills the Senate may propose.

Dec. 9, 2021:

The bill that House Democrats passed last month would increase the cap from $10,000 to $80,000 through 2030, with the cap returning to $10,000 for 2031. The Senate bill is expected to take a different approach on the SALT deduction that would exempt taxpayers under a certain income level from the cap while leaving the $10,000 in place for higher-income taxpayers. Senate Democrats are still negotiating the details of their SALT deduction provision.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/585016-democratic-worries-grow-over-politics-of-salt-cap

[Anonymous]

Good. Glad it’s dead.

Democratic aides say the Build Back Better bill won't be ready for floor action anytime soon and predict the wide-ranging legislation that the White House has negotiated with centrist Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.) may have to be completely overhauled.

[Anonymous]

*snickers*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:*snickers*

Isn’t Jake Sherman the guy who was outed as being extremely friendly with Mark Meadows? And hasn’t Manchin been shown to be a damn liar already? Why do you trust the message or the messengers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*snickers*

Isn’t Jake Sherman the guy who was outed as being extremely friendly with Mark Meadows? And hasn’t Manchin been shown to be a damn liar already? Why do you trust the message or the messengers?

What's not to trust? Manchin has been clear since summer he didn't like this bill and has made as much known throughout the fall and winter. Then blew it up on XMas Eve like he was hinting at all along.

Or do you think there's a secret unicorn bill signed and going to a vote at 8PM tonight despite his objections?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*snickers*

Isn’t Jake Sherman the guy who was outed as being extremely friendly with Mark Meadows? And hasn’t Manchin been shown to be a damn liar already? Why do you trust the message or the messengers?

You are an idiot. Truly.

Manchin made this statement publicly. To several reporters.

And, he has been consistent in his position.

See for yourself....

[Anonymous]

Seems like the ones you can't trust are the Biden staffers who lied all along and said negotiations were close to done and everything was top-notch.

“I’m really not going to talk about Build Back Better anymore because I think I’ve been very clear on that. There is no negotiations going on at this time,” Manchin said, doubling down on comments he made to “Fox News Sunday” last month announcing that he would not vote to proceed to the legislation.

Manchin is done. Finito. But watch Psaki b*llshit in exactly one hour about 'let's circle back'.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seems like the ones you can't trust are the Biden staffers who lied all along and said negotiations were close to done and everything was top-notch.

“I’m really not going to talk about Build Back Better anymore because I think I’ve been very clear on that. There is no negotiations going on at this time,” Manchin said, doubling down on comments he made to “Fox News Sunday” last month announcing that he would not vote to proceed to the legislation.

Manchin is done. Finito. But watch Psaki b*llshit in exactly one hour about 'let's circle back'.

This is what happens when people choose which news to believe based on whether they like what they are being told.

Manchin has been admirably transparent throughout about where things stood and yet we have had story after story about how things are just about to be done...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Seems like the ones you can't trust are the Biden staffers who lied all along and said negotiations were close to done and everything was top-notch.

“I’m really not going to talk about Build Back Better anymore because I think I’ve been very clear on that. There is no negotiations going on at this time,” Manchin said, doubling down on comments he made to “Fox News Sunday” last month announcing that he would not vote to proceed to the legislation.

Manchin is done. Finito. But watch Psaki b*llshit in exactly one hour about 'let's circle back'.

This is what happens when people choose which news to believe based on whether they like what they are being told.

Manchin has been admirably transparent throughout about where things stood and yet we have had story after story about how things are just about to be done...

The hell he has! You are naive. Manchin has been operating in bad faith from the start.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*snickers*

Isn’t Jake Sherman the guy who was outed as being extremely friendly with Mark Meadows? And hasn’t Manchin been shown to be a damn liar already? Why do you trust the message or the messengers?

What's not to trust? Manchin has been clear since summer he didn't like this bill and has made as much known throughout the fall and winter. Then blew it up on XMas Eve like he was hinting at all along.

Or do you think there's a secret unicorn bill signed and going to a vote at 8PM tonight despite his objections?

They gave Manchin concession after concession. But in the end, it turned out Manchin was just playing games and wasting everyone's time.