What’s going on with the two bills?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Why would the Democrats vote against it? It's their freaking bill.

Not, it's not their bill. It's a bill produced by Manchin, Sinema, Collins, Portman, etc.. Not a single house liberal had a seat at the table when it was being negotiated.

The Senate Democrats did their job and came up with an Infrastructure bill that they were successfully able to pass. The House was supposed to come up with a Build Back Better Plan. They failed. Its not done and it has every wish list known to man.

Pass the bipartisan act and stop playing around.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Why would the Democrats vote against it? It's their freaking bill.

Not, it's not their bill. It's a bill produced by Manchin, Sinema, Collins, Portman, etc.. Not a single house liberal had a seat at the table when it was being negotiated.

At this point liberals/progressives need to go off an make their own party. It started when we let Bernie into our primary. Enough of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Why would the Democrats vote against it? It's their freaking bill.

Not, it's not their bill. It's a bill produced by Manchin, Sinema, Collins, Portman, etc.. Not a single house liberal had a seat at the table when it was being negotiated.

The Senate Democrats did their job and came up with an Infrastructure bill that they were successfully able to pass. The House was supposed to come up with a Build Back Better Plan. They failed. Its not done and it has every wish list known to man.

Pass the bipartisan act and stop playing around.

Again, that's just not true. Under the house budget resolution, the house committees had until Sept. 15 to produce their drafts. They all met the deadline. The house doesn't answer to arbitrary deadlines that you make up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Why would the Democrats vote against it? It's their freaking bill.

Not, it's not their bill. It's a bill produced by Manchin, Sinema, Collins, Portman, etc.. Not a single house liberal had a seat at the table when it was being negotiated.

The Senate Democrats did their job and came up with an Infrastructure bill that they were successfully able to pass. The House was supposed to come up with a Build Back Better Plan. They failed. Its not done and it has every wish list known to man.

Pass the bipartisan act and stop playing around.

Again, that's just not true. Under the house budget resolution, the house committees had until Sept. 15 to produce their drafts. They all met the deadline. The house doesn't answer to arbitrary deadlines that you make up.

Its September 21st and their version of meeting a deadline is including language to pass $1.8 trillion with no explanation of where it was going to go.

If your kid asked you for $1.8K with no detailed breakdown of what the money was for, you'd ask them if they were on drugs.

They didn't do their job. Move on. The government shutdown is in 10 days. The infrastructure bill expires in 7 days. They are not going to get a new BBB bill passed in less than a week within the House and the Senate.

We need trains. We need bridges. We need roads.

I can't believe they're holding this up on a junior Rep's word who shafted her own district out of a billion-dollar investment before she even took the oath of office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Any democrat on record voting against a badly needed infrastructure bill should be primaried. They literally have one job - and here they are mucking it up.

None of the progressive house dems are scared of a primary from the right attacking them for voting against more money for highways in west virginia. These members all come from very blue progressive districts. They are concerned about primaries from the left if they fail to get priorities like paid leave, expanded child tax credit, pre-K, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Any democrat on record voting against a badly needed infrastructure bill should be primaried. They literally have one job - and here they are mucking it up.

None of the progressive house dems are scared of a primary from the right attacking them for voting against more money for highways in west virginia. These members all come from very blue progressive districts. They are concerned about primaries from the left if they fail to get priorities like paid leave, expanded child tax credit, pre-K, etc.

There is no way the Squad will lose their districts and they know it. And they also don't have enough legislative power or skills to get this passed. They had 8 months. Enough.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Why would the Democrats vote against it? It's their freaking bill.

Not, it's not their bill. It's a bill produced by Manchin, Sinema, Collins, Portman, etc.. Not a single house liberal had a seat at the table when it was being negotiated.

The Senate Democrats did their job and came up with an Infrastructure bill that they were successfully able to pass. The House was supposed to come up with a Build Back Better Plan. They failed. Its not done and it has every wish list known to man.

Pass the bipartisan act and stop playing around.

Again, that's just not true. Under the house budget resolution, the house committees had until Sept. 15 to produce their drafts. They all met the deadline. The house doesn't answer to arbitrary deadlines that you make up.

Its September 21st and their version of meeting a deadline is including language to pass $1.8 trillion with no explanation of where it was going to go.

If your kid asked you for $1.8K with no detailed breakdown of what the money was for, you'd ask them if they were on drugs.

They didn't do their job. Move on. The government shutdown is in 10 days. The infrastructure bill expires in 7 days. They are not going to get a new BBB bill passed in less than a week within the House and the Senate.

We need trains. We need bridges. We need roads.

I can't believe they're holding this up on a junior Rep's word who shafted her own district out of a billion-dollar investment before she even took the oath of office.

The infrastructure bill has nothing to do with the government shutdown, and it does not "expire" in 7 days. The infrastructure spending is over 5 years. Projects take years to plan and build. It's makes absolutely no difference if this vote happens today or in two months.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Why would the Democrats vote against it? It's their freaking bill.

Not, it's not their bill. It's a bill produced by Manchin, Sinema, Collins, Portman, etc.. Not a single house liberal had a seat at the table when it was being negotiated.

The Senate Democrats did their job and came up with an Infrastructure bill that they were successfully able to pass. The House was supposed to come up with a Build Back Better Plan. They failed. Its not done and it has every wish list known to man.

Pass the bipartisan act and stop playing around.

Again, that's just not true. Under the house budget resolution, the house committees had until Sept. 15 to produce their drafts. They all met the deadline. The house doesn't answer to arbitrary deadlines that you make up.

Its September 21st and their version of meeting a deadline is including language to pass $1.8 trillion with no explanation of where it was going to go.

If your kid asked you for $1.8K with no detailed breakdown of what the money was for, you'd ask them if they were on drugs.

They didn't do their job. Move on. The government shutdown is in 10 days. The infrastructure bill expires in 7 days. They are not going to get a new BBB bill passed in less than a week within the House and the Senate.

We need trains. We need bridges. We need roads.

I can't believe they're holding this up on a junior Rep's word who shafted her own district out of a billion-dollar investment before she even took the oath of office.

The infrastructure bill has nothing to do with the government shutdown, and it does not "expire" in 7 days. The infrastructure spending is over 5 years. Projects take years to plan and build. It's makes absolutely no difference if this vote happens today or in two months.

That is not what the Majority Leader of the House of Representatives said.

[Anonymous]

Well, at least we know one will pass. It'd be nice if they scheduled a vote and it wasn't at 3AM so I could watch.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Why would the Democrats vote against it? It's their freaking bill.

Not, it's not their bill. It's a bill produced by Manchin, Sinema, Collins, Portman, etc.. Not a single house liberal had a seat at the table when it was being negotiated.

The Senate Democrats did their job and came up with an Infrastructure bill that they were successfully able to pass. The House was supposed to come up with a Build Back Better Plan. They failed. Its not done and it has every wish list known to man.

Pass the bipartisan act and stop playing around.

Again, that's just not true. Under the house budget resolution, the house committees had until Sept. 15 to produce their drafts. They all met the deadline. The house doesn't answer to arbitrary deadlines that you make up.

Its September 21st and their version of meeting a deadline is including language to pass $1.8 trillion with no explanation of where it was going to go.

If your kid asked you for $1.8K with no detailed breakdown of what the money was for, you'd ask them if they were on drugs.

They didn't do their job. Move on. The government shutdown is in 10 days. The infrastructure bill expires in 7 days. They are not going to get a new BBB bill passed in less than a week within the House and the Senate.

We need trains. We need bridges. We need roads.

I can't believe they're holding this up on a junior Rep's word who shafted her own district out of a billion-dollar investment before she even took the oath of office.

The infrastructure bill has nothing to do with the government shutdown, and it does not "expire" in 7 days. The infrastructure spending is over 5 years. Projects take years to plan and build. It's makes absolutely no difference if this vote happens today or in two months.

That is not what the Majority Leader of the House of Representatives said.

Where does that say it will "expire." He's saying that's the day they're voting on it. They agreed to that date back in August. If they don't vote on it then, they can vote later. If they do vote on it and it goes down, they can vote again later. Nothing is expiring.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Why would the Democrats vote against it? It's their freaking bill.

Not, it's not their bill. It's a bill produced by Manchin, Sinema, Collins, Portman, etc.. Not a single house liberal had a seat at the table when it was being negotiated.

The Senate Democrats did their job and came up with an Infrastructure bill that they were successfully able to pass. The House was supposed to come up with a Build Back Better Plan. They failed. Its not done and it has every wish list known to man.

Pass the bipartisan act and stop playing around.

Again, that's just not true. Under the house budget resolution, the house committees had until Sept. 15 to produce their drafts. They all met the deadline. The house doesn't answer to arbitrary deadlines that you make up.

Its September 21st and their version of meeting a deadline is including language to pass $1.8 trillion with no explanation of where it was going to go.

If your kid asked you for $1.8K with no detailed breakdown of what the money was for, you'd ask them if they were on drugs.

They didn't do their job. Move on. The government shutdown is in 10 days. The infrastructure bill expires in 7 days. They are not going to get a new BBB bill passed in less than a week within the House and the Senate.

We need trains. We need bridges. We need roads.

I can't believe they're holding this up on a junior Rep's word who shafted her own district out of a billion-dollar investment before she even took the oath of office.

The infrastructure bill has nothing to do with the government shutdown, and it does not "expire" in 7 days. The infrastructure spending is over 5 years. Projects take years to plan and build. It's makes absolutely no difference if this vote happens today or in two months.

That is not what the Majority Leader of the House of Representatives said.

Where does that say it will "expire." He's saying that's the day they're voting on it. They agreed to that date back in August. If they don't vote on it then, they can vote later. If they do vote on it and it goes down, they can vote again later. Nothing is expiring.

They are not moving it. Why would they? Pelosi has already confirmed the bill doesn't need to be amended to pass the House. And they're read to pass it to give Biden his first big legislative victory.

Unless you really think we should enter into the 2022 midterms with NOTHING accomplished? That would be fatalistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Any democrat on record voting against a badly needed infrastructure bill should be primaried. They literally have one job - and here they are mucking it up.

None of the progressive house dems are scared of a primary from the right attacking them for voting against more money for highways in west virginia. These members all come from very blue progressive districts. They are concerned about primaries from the left if they fail to get priorities like paid leave, expanded child tax credit, pre-K, etc.

We should test out how they fare without democratic party money and resources behind them. Let them whither away in the wind if this is the best they can offer. Sick of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Any democrat on record voting against a badly needed infrastructure bill should be primaried. They literally have one job - and here they are mucking it up.

None of the progressive house dems are scared of a primary from the right attacking them for voting against more money for highways in west virginia. These members all come from very blue progressive districts. They are concerned about primaries from the left if they fail to get priorities like paid leave, expanded child tax credit, pre-K, etc.

We should test out how they fare without democratic party money and resources behind them. Let them whither away in the wind if this is the best they can offer. Sick of them.

AOC doesn't need the party's cash. She outraises any member of the party, including Pelosi. The centrists, on the other hand, very much do need it. The DCCC has given some soft hints to the 9 house centrists that their party funding could be taken away if they kill reconciliation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Any democrat on record voting against a badly needed infrastructure bill should be primaried. They literally have one job - and here they are mucking it up.

None of the progressive house dems are scared of a primary from the right attacking them for voting against more money for highways in west virginia. These members all come from very blue progressive districts. They are concerned about primaries from the left if they fail to get priorities like paid leave, expanded child tax credit, pre-K, etc.

We should test out how they fare without democratic party money and resources behind them. Let them whither away in the wind if this is the best they can offer. Sick of them.

AOC doesn't need the party's cash. She outraises any member of the party, including Pelosi. The centrists, on the other hand, very much do need it. The DCCC has given some soft hints to the 9 house centrists that their party funding could be taken away if they kill reconciliation.

She can't afford to be the face of a blocked Infrastructure bill either. Not after being the sole reason her district lost out on the Amazon HQ. Her constituents would benefit from the jobs and the better transportation improvements as much as anyone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It looks like neither bill will survive.

Infrastructure would if they would unshackle it from that bloated Build Back Better bill.

Its already done the hard part of passing the Senate. The House is a rubber-stamp and they already have GOP support anyway.

Well no, it's not going to pass the house. If it goes to vote on Sept. 27 as planned, almost all republicans will vote against it (it will get maybe 5 GOP votes), and 50-70 democrats will vote against it.

Any democrat on record voting against a badly needed infrastructure bill should be primaried. They literally have one job - and here they are mucking it up.

None of the progressive house dems are scared of a primary from the right attacking them for voting against more money for highways in west virginia. These members all come from very blue progressive districts. They are concerned about primaries from the left if they fail to get priorities like paid leave, expanded child tax credit, pre-K, etc.

We should test out how they fare without democratic party money and resources behind them. Let them whither away in the wind if this is the best they can offer. Sick of them.

AOC doesn't need the party's cash. She outraises any member of the party, including Pelosi. The centrists, on the other hand, very much do need it. The DCCC has given some soft hints to the 9 house centrists that their party funding could be taken away if they kill reconciliation.

She can't afford to be the face of a blocked Infrastructure bill either. Not after being the sole reason her district lost out on the Amazon HQ. Her constituents would benefit from the jobs and the better transportation improvements as much as anyone else.

Uh, her constituents were strongly opposed to the Amazon HQ deal because it would mean huge rent increases for local residents + Amazon was getting a massive break on property taxes. AOC did what he constituents wanted. Rich landlords who live in Manhattan, Westchester, and Long Island who own property in Queens? They didn't like AOC's position. Then again, they don't live in her district.