Help me understand Republican women in their 30s and 40s

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Anonymous wrote:I'm 34 and I'd say I'm conservative but not a Trumper.

I live in a very liberal city and I've seen how the policies have made our city noticeably worse off. I no longer feel safe walking outside after dark.

Illegal immigration.

Re: abortion, I don't think it should be illegal but it should be restricted.

Biological males should not be in women's locker rooms, bathrooms, or sports teams. There is no reason for our library to have multiple books for preschoolers on display about drag queens.

My friend's gov employer has bragged about illegally excluding white males from leadership positions. You think I'm going to vote for people who discriminate against my husband and my son?

Liberals have made it clear they have nothing but contempt for white families with conservative social values so why on earth would I vote for them? Trump is an absolute lunatic so I'm probably going to vote third party.

Smells fishy. Why didn't your friend report the supervisor? You have contempt for common sense and following that actually exist for dealing with those situations?

And, eek - drag queens.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

Except that the current crop of conservative GOP politicians won't actually help you with any of these things. They won't. They just use things like trans women to stoke your emotions.

And BTW, all women, regardless of political party, want to keep their families and communities safe. Every one. They all want good education for their kids and for their kids to find good jobs. All of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Republican women have delusions of superiority. And yet so unaware of reality. The GOP has been dismantling the education system for decades. They don't give a fig about your kids. Wake up.

Well, a whole bunch of women voters learned in the pandemic that the Democrats don’t give a fig about their kids, either, so that threat doesn’t really work for Democrats any more.

Does yelling at women that they are delusional in an effort to persuade them often work for you? It seems ineffective to me, but you do you.

The shut down of schools was the most anti-woman event of my lifetime. It set back an unbelievable number of careers for working moms.

All the more reason that women should be pushing harder for things like remote work, for affordable childcare and so on, along with better educational infrastructure. The only remote work and affordable childcare Republicans care about is you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen obediently making your husband a sandwich.

Also, many teachers are working moms, too - Republicans hate admitting and acknowledging that early on, schools were one of the top places associated with spread in covid contact tracing data (especially since young kids are snot factories and touch everything) and that many teachers found themselves on the front lines of covid getting sick, with a number of teachers dying in the early days of the pandemic.

The bolded is a straight up lie. It was known early on that children had lower viral loads, one of reason they don't really get that sick with Covid.

And stop will the BS about teachers being on the front lines. They were locked in their homes getting instacart and asynchronously phoning in their jobs. There were no higher rates of teachers dying any more than the average 25-45 year old, which was minimal and if it happened was generally due to already poor health. Just like every other profession.

You do not get to down play what we all witness.

We need you to acknowledge that school closures were a disaster because schools ARE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE. They never should have been closed past June 2020. That is how you keep mothers in the workforce.

Hmm, some "straight-up lie" - there's a ton of data and research showing that children were very efficient spreaders of covid, even if they were asymptomatic.

https://research.princeton.edu/news/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence-superspreaders

https://hms.harvard.edu/news/children-spread-covid-19

The crux of the issue is we shut down society and the economy, with all the negative impact to mental health, childhood education, social norms and cohesion, etc. to provide a marginal extension of life for elderly people, many of whom were already in nursing homes.

Our cowardly politicians failed to balance policy risks. They abdicated their responsibilities to public health officials who were blind to everything but the problem immediately in front of them.

Oh come on. We barely shut down at all. The only half-assed attempt at a shutdown lasted all of two weeks before there were hordes of deranged MAGA lunatics at state capitol buildings with AR-15s threatening to kill governors. And then Trump made his appearances bellowing "FREE MICHIGAN" and whatever else, and those half-assed "shutdown" attempts pretty much fizzled away. And then COVID ran rampant.

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How about this, if you loved the shutdowns and thought we just didn’t get enough of them, vote blue.

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Anonymous wrote:10-20% of pregnancies end in a known miscarriage. That’s not including all of the early unknown miscarriages.
That’s an uncomfortably high percentage of women facing denied healthcare in their red state due to draconian abortion bans. They want to force these laws on the entire nation with a federal ban.
That’s approximately a million women every year in the US at risk due to extreme laws enacted by “pro life” republicans.
How many years is a woman fertile? How many years does she play roulette with those laws?
I agree that men identifying as women should not be housed in prisons but the entire female prison population of the United States is approximately 90,000.
When I look at risk calculus I’m more immediately concerned for my daughter’s health.

This.
Having received a life-saving inmates. abortion (methotrexate to treat an ectopic pregnancy) and conceived one of my DDs via IVF, I'm all too keenly aware of how the red-states' reactions to the overturning of RvW threatens the health and life of women. To say nothing of the current risks to availability of contraception posed by some in the GOP. Birth control pills are used by millions of women to manage and treat symptoms of conditions like PCOS, endometriosis, etc. Threats to contraception impact more than just those trying to avoid pregnancy.
I consider those far more impactful to the vast majority of women than a few trans athletes or inmates. Why should my DDs have less of a right to health care and bodily autonomy than their grandmothers??

Unless you are a Republican, this is irrelevant. This post is about the viewpoints of GOP women of a certain age, not why you feel more impacted by abortion. If you feel that way, vote Dem as you seem to do.

I'm the PP. Born and raised Republican. Considered myself "conservative" based on fiscal beliefs and support of military, but have always been more "middle of the road" on social issues (and I believe I still am).
Started voting split ticket in 2016 because I couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump. I refuse to vote for any Republican who supported the overturning of RvW, so I now consider myself independent.
The GOP is losing women like me.

It is hard to understand why the GOP has invested so much into crushing reproductive rights. There seem to be a few posters on here in favor of this position, but for the majority, it's such an extremely unpopular and repulsive position to take. Why is the GOP willing to lose so many voters over this issue that they keep arguing is not really that important?

Are you aware of what the number one issues are for voters right now? Hint, it’s not abortion. I think the more relevant question is why did Biden allow 1.3 million illegals in, in 2023 alone, given how many people list controlling the border as their number one issue?

Your otherness about “illegals” doesn’t negatively affect most people. In fact the work of “illegals” keeps agriculture, manufacturing, and much of the service industry running. Without them, prices would be higher because all of the red state whiners on federal disability won’t do those jobs.
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Native born Americans lost 300k jobs last year according to the bureau of labor statistics. Still think things are going just swimmingly and that Biden’s border mess won’t matter?

Your distinction of “native born Americans” is un American and unpatriotic. We are one nation, under god, with liberty and justice for all.

Take it up with the Bureau of Labor Statistics. They distinguish between native born and foreign born.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

Except that the current crop of conservative GOP politicians won't actually help you with any of these things. They won't. They just use things like trans women to stoke your emotions.

And BTW, all women, regardless of political party, want to keep their families and communities safe. Every one. They all want good education for their kids and for their kids to find good jobs. All of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Republican women have delusions of superiority. And yet so unaware of reality. The GOP has been dismantling the education system for decades. They don't give a fig about your kids. Wake up.

Well, a whole bunch of women voters learned in the pandemic that the Democrats don’t give a fig about their kids, either, so that threat doesn’t really work for Democrats any more.

Does yelling at women that they are delusional in an effort to persuade them often work for you? It seems ineffective to me, but you do you.

The shut down of schools was the most anti-woman event of my lifetime. It set back an unbelievable number of careers for working moms.

All the more reason that women should be pushing harder for things like remote work, for affordable childcare and so on, along with better educational infrastructure. The only remote work and affordable childcare Republicans care about is you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen obediently making your husband a sandwich.

Also, many teachers are working moms, too - Republicans hate admitting and acknowledging that early on, schools were one of the top places associated with spread in covid contact tracing data (especially since young kids are snot factories and touch everything) and that many teachers found themselves on the front lines of covid getting sick, with a number of teachers dying in the early days of the pandemic.

The bolded is a straight up lie. It was known early on that children had lower viral loads, one of reason they don't really get that sick with Covid.

And stop will the BS about teachers being on the front lines. They were locked in their homes getting instacart and asynchronously phoning in their jobs. There were no higher rates of teachers dying any more than the average 25-45 year old, which was minimal and if it happened was generally due to already poor health. Just like every other profession.

You do not get to down play what we all witness.

We need you to acknowledge that school closures were a disaster because schools ARE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE. They never should have been closed past June 2020. That is how you keep mothers in the workforce.

You are not making sense. Teachers didn’t die in big numbers BECAUSE schools went virtual as soon as cases were confirmed on their campuses. You are using the success of the restrictions to argue against restrictions. A lot more teachers would have died and case counts and deaths generally would have been much higher among school communities if all schools had tried to stay open. Even though small children generally had very mild symptoms, adult child care workers and teachers were not less likely than other workers to have severe symptoms. Child care workers had a higher death rate than average workers, a comparable to the death rates of essential workers.

Exactly. Contact tracing data showed that schools were top locations for spread, and that children were highly effective spreaders of COVID even if they appeared by be healthy and asymptomatic.

Literally not true. Children were less effective at transmitting because their symptoms more mild with less viral load. Something known from the very first wave.

But a teacher is not the only adult in a school setting. In any event, hindsight is always 20/20.

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Anonymous wrote:Along with doctors, nurses, food supply and public safety.

In person schools were critical to the functioning of society. More should have been done by our federal and state governments, public health officials, the teachers unions, and our communities to weigh the risks and prioritize school for kids.

There could have been creative solutions. We could have done some staffing shifting to ask elderly teachers or at risk teachers to move to older grades who could better learn remotely. We could have re-purposed classrooms that older kids didn't need because they are able to learn online to have more spacing for younger kids or special needs kids who developmentally can't learn remotely. We could have used some of the covid stimulus funds to provide bonus pay for teachers willing to work in-person.

There is a lot we could have done beside abandon kids and families.

I was on the PTO board at our K-8 school at the end of the 2019/20 school year as we were all trying to figure what the fall would look like. It’s easy to forget the timeline. It was confusing but a lot of people were working on what we could do to open, with the understanding that circumstances could change and we might have to go virtual at some point during 20/21.

There were conversations happening about FCPS in particular opening in the fall. It was in the news. Then Trump said they should open. And I knew as soon as he said that, that they wouldn’t. And sure enough they didn’t. Meanwhile, cash-strapped Catholic K-8s all over NoVA opened and stayed open all year. With public school teacher’s kids in our classrooms. Closing the schools was not a scientific decision. It was a political one.

My middle child was coming up for kindergarten during this time, and I just couldn't fathom putting her in front of a computer screen, where she has never been to that point, and telling her that THAT is school. The shutdown has cost me personally a year of private school tuition, which I could have used to start her college fund.

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Anonymous wrote:I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.

It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades.

As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them.

I would vote for the two of you PPs. Well said.

Except that the current crop of conservative GOP politicians won't actually help you with any of these things. They won't. They just use things like trans women to stoke your emotions.

And BTW, all women, regardless of political party, want to keep their families and communities safe. Every one. They all want good education for their kids and for their kids to find good jobs. All of them. Do you believe otherwise?

Republican women have delusions of superiority. And yet so unaware of reality. The GOP has been dismantling the education system for decades. They don't give a fig about your kids. Wake up.

Well, a whole bunch of women voters learned in the pandemic that the Democrats don’t give a fig about their kids, either, so that threat doesn’t really work for Democrats any more.

Does yelling at women that they are delusional in an effort to persuade them often work for you? It seems ineffective to me, but you do you.

The shut down of schools was the most anti-woman event of my lifetime. It set back an unbelievable number of careers for working moms.

All the more reason that women should be pushing harder for things like remote work, for affordable childcare and so on, along with better educational infrastructure. The only remote work and affordable childcare Republicans care about is you barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen obediently making your husband a sandwich.

Also, many teachers are working moms, too - Republicans hate admitting and acknowledging that early on, schools were one of the top places associated with spread in covid contact tracing data (especially since young kids are snot factories and touch everything) and that many teachers found themselves on the front lines of covid getting sick, with a number of teachers dying in the early days of the pandemic.

The bolded is a straight up lie. It was known early on that children had lower viral loads, one of reason they don't really get that sick with Covid.

And stop will the BS about teachers being on the front lines. They were locked in their homes getting instacart and asynchronously phoning in their jobs. There were no higher rates of teachers dying any more than the average 25-45 year old, which was minimal and if it happened was generally due to already poor health. Just like every other profession.

You do not get to down play what we all witness.

We need you to acknowledge that school closures were a disaster because schools ARE AFFORDABLE CHILDCARE. They never should have been closed past June 2020. That is how you keep mothers in the workforce.

You are not making sense. Teachers didn’t die in big numbers BECAUSE schools went virtual as soon as cases were confirmed on their campuses. You are using the success of the restrictions to argue against restrictions. A lot more teachers would have died and case counts and deaths generally would have been much higher among school communities if all schools had tried to stay open. Even though small children generally had very mild symptoms, adult child care workers and teachers were not less likely than other workers to have severe symptoms. Child care workers had a higher death rate than average workers, a comparable to the death rates of essential workers.

Exactly. Contact tracing data showed that schools were top locations for spread, and that children were highly effective spreaders of COVID even if they appeared by be healthy and asymptomatic.

Literally not true. Children were less effective at transmitting because their symptoms more mild with less viral load. Something known from the very first wave.

Wrong. There's research that says children were indeed effective transmitters, even when they appeared to be asymptomatic.

https://research.princeton.edu/news/largest-covid-19-contact-tracing-study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence-superspreaders
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/children-spread-covid-19

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Anonymous wrote:How about this, if you loved the shutdowns and thought we just didn’t get enough of them, vote blue.

I'm going to vote blue because I'm sick of all of the MAGA lies that were told about covid, and the senseless deaths of so many that could have been prevented.

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Anonymous wrote:How about this, if you loved the shutdowns and thought we just didn’t get enough of them, vote blue.

I'm going to vote blue because I'm sick of all of the MAGA lies that were told about covid, and the senseless deaths of so many that could have been prevented.

+1. I believe that I would maybe still have my loved ones gone to COVID if trump had lost in 2016. So depressing.

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Anonymous wrote:How about this, if you loved the shutdowns and thought we just didn’t get enough of them, vote blue.

I'm going to vote blue because I'm sick of all of the MAGA lies that were told about covid, and the senseless deaths of so many that could have been prevented.

+1. I believe that I would maybe still have my loved ones gone to COVID if trump had lost in 2016. So depressing.

Sounds good! You and maybe five other people feel looking back that the lockdowns were a wise decision. Vote accordingly.

But why you are on a thread asking about Republican women ages 30-40 is a bit confusing.

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Anonymous wrote:How about this, if you loved the shutdowns and thought we just didn’t get enough of them, vote blue.

I'm going to vote blue because I'm sick of all of the MAGA lies that were told about covid, and the senseless deaths of so many that could have been prevented.

+1. I believe that I would maybe still have my loved ones gone to COVID if trump had lost in 2016. So depressing.

Sorry for your loss, PP. This was the true cost of the pandemic - not somebody having to spend some extra money on private school.

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What exactly defines educated? This lamentable institution of socialization we call high school / college? Perhaps you'd care to enlighten me as to the philosophical narratives you hang on to or the p-value and hypothesis tests you've utilized to come up with your "empirically proven" value system.

Or perhaps, you're basing your thoughts on the triangulated US media that presents you with the extremes of Fox News and msnbc as your options of choice in ever debate. You can only be with or against a particular topic in the most polarizing of manners. Ask yourself why and for whom this system serves... it is not yourself. We as the people stand to gain nothing from engaging in such verminous discourse.

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Anonymous wrote:How about this, if you loved the shutdowns and thought we just didn’t get enough of them, vote blue.

I'm going to vote blue because I'm sick of all of the MAGA lies that were told about covid, and the senseless deaths of so many that could have been prevented.

+1. I believe that I would maybe still have my loved ones gone to COVID if trump had lost in 2016. So depressing.

You are probably correct. Hilary would not have removed the hhs team based in China to monitor exactly this sort of event. Hilary would have used America’s power in international organizations to coordinate a speedy response. Hilary would have managed it the way previous presidents (Bush and SARS, Obama and MERS) did previous air borne viruses and it probably could’ve been managed and we wouldn’t have had a global pandemic and all of its losses and consequences.

I’m really sorry about your loved ones.

Do you understand the pandemic started in China.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess we moved on from transwomen in prisons. And that's another one where there isn't really any solid data to back up the fear and paranoia that female inmates are more at risk. Where there IS data, it shows that trans inmates are far more likely to be abused in prison than other inmates are. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/federal-survey-transgender-inmates-more-likely-to-be-victims-of-sexual-assault/

But the transphobe will of course highlight a few examples in the news.

Yet for me I still don't see how or why that should be a cause for changing party affiliation and demand to pre-empt legislative agendas when for example I have a MUCH bigger problem with the vastly more destructive and damaging impacts of kids being shot to death in their elementary schools by the dozens, a result of not having robust mandatory universal background checks for guns, and thereby allowing people with a history of mental health problems, domestic violence and so on, not to mention lying on their 4473 forms as I'm sure that quite a few gun owners have done.

We have quite a few MUCH bigger problems in this country that need to get solved than the problem of trans people and prisons, and it's the Republicans who are holding us back from those much bigger issues.

I’m not moving on from the issue of men in women’s prisons until each and every male prisoner is incarcerated with other men.

You do you.

Until you can show some compelling data showing that trans people in prisons is a more important and significant issue than mass shootings or a whole host of other issues, I absolutely will do what I will, because my priorities make a lot more sense than yours.

Great! Let us know when you overturn 2A.

Sure, maybe we'll come and help you work on your trans issue with prisons... AFTER we get sensible gun controls, AFTER we get campaign finance reforms and voter protections and we end gerrymandering to make politics a more level playing field, AFTER we fix healthcare and all of the other problems in this country. So, if you want anyone's help, I suggest you get cracking and start helping US on those far more important issues that the rest of us are trying to solve - otherwise you'll be a long time waiting - because your Republican friends honestly don't really care what happens to prisoners behind bars.

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Anonymous wrote:Republican women in the age range you mentioned are by and large intelligent, articulate, understand the role of government and are carrying concealed weapons to ward off criminals and rapists.

They have conservative views, are willing to compromise on abortion, with laws similar to what exists in Europe. They want a secure border and support giving people a hand up without providing perpetual handouts.

In other words typical normal people that lean a little right of center who are never going to support the extreme views of the progressive wing no matter how loudly they shout.

You must be a smug idiot to think women can just ward off rapists.

Aren’t you one of the people that think it’s fine for imprisoned women to be cell mates with convicted rapists and male sex offenders? Don’t you believe the imprisoned women can just ward off the rapists who now identify as women and share their cells? Why would this be any different? At least the PP has a gun.

Time to stop drinking and get out of mommy's basement.

So yes, you believe women prisoners should be imprisoned with convicted male rapists who now identify as women. Got it.

Moron. No one wrote that.

Yep. Seems like some angry right winger is hard at work strawmanning and sock puppeting tonight.

We are still waiting for the PP who resorted to name-calling (“Moron.”) to come out and state that he fully opposes housing biological female prisoners with transwomen convicted of rape or sexual assault, and that he is opposed to the political party that is supporting that policy.

No one is answering you, because this is a non issue that you made up. Part of the "Dem platform"? Absolute BS.

It doesn't matter how many times you post utter BS, it remains utter BS.

Do you think it’s not happening? Or that democrats don’t support it? Because that’s just not true. It is happening, and it’s being pushed forward by democrats.

In NY: https://jimowles.org/news/hochul-wants-transgender-inmates-to-choose-where-theyre-housed-in-prisons

In NJ: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/29/1011181718/new-jersey-prisoners-will-be-placed-based-on-gender-identity-under-a-new-policy

In CA: https://apnews.com/article/us-news-laws-gavin-newsom-ca-state-wire-lifestyle-14cd954b06360d21349b77233318369e

In CT: https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/389512-aclu-praises-connecticut-for-passing-most-protective-transgender/damp/?nxs-test=damp

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"In 2014, the city created a special housing unit on Rikers Island for transgender inmates — those who were born male but identify as female."

Do you even know what a SHU is? It's SEPARATE housing. The trans prisoners are SEPARATED from the general population. That's very very different from your disingenuous narrative about how the libs want big hairy guys with swinging dicks loping freely through prisons raping female prisoners.

That was in 2014. In 2022 a woman in Rikers in NY was raped by a man in shared prison housing. It sounds like you agree that persons with male genitalia should not be housed with women in prison. I look forward to your opposition to these laws that require prison placement by gender identity instead of sex.

https://nypost.com/2024/01/24/metro/man-posing-as-trans-woman-raped-female-prisoner-at-rikers-lawsuit/amp/

Don't take that haughty "well I see that you agree" tone with me. On this thread, I have consistently said from the start that they should be housed separately. Trans prisoners may be the victimizers in shared prison environments are also far more likely to be the targets of abuse as well. And that also trashes your narrative about how Dems are all just these narrow minded "followers" who say you have to vote on the basis of your ovaries and who care about abortion and abortion only. Also, the prison issue does not in any way dissuade me from continuing to vote Dem, because there is a much bigger range of issues at stake.

You really need to start leaving your narrow and ill-informed viewpoints at the door because every attempt of your to push a narrative about what Dems and liberals are about seems to be a wild swing and a miss.

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I’m not the PP but here is what you and many other Democrats do not get about your constant dismissal of issues related to trans rights and the superseding of women’s rights. The constant response is exactly like what you wrote above, where the instances where women are victimized are picked apart as rarities, and presented in isolation. Oh, only a few women are raped in prison by transwomen. Oh, only a few of your daughters lose to trans girls in sports, and why do your daughters even have ambition in sport anyhow? They should be happy to let boys win; that’s “being kind” anyhow and sports ambition in girls is ugly. Oh, transwomen just want to pee and only a few male predators will take advantage of the new inability to remove creepy men from restrooms. Oh, the transwomen sending rape threats to JK Rowling and other women who stand up for women’s rights are rare and they are autistic anyhow so you should be kind and understand that their rape threats are acceptable because they struggle emotionally. Oh, you should be happy being referred to as an “front hole,” because that’s more inclusive. And so on, across individual events and issues.

You don’t understand that many, many women don’t view and won’t view all these events in isolation. They see this as a constellation, all these indicators of how Democrats value women and girls. You want to minimize into discrete events precisely so you can hide the overall picture. But women are too smart for that.

In the end, this is where we are: The Democrats see women as public emotional support animals for men and boys. The Republicans see women as private reproductive chattel. We are living Andrea Dworkin’s observation that conservative men see women as private property and liberal men see women as public property.

So, if both parties equally dehumanize women, women voters who choose to still participate in the political system are going to probably start voting for other reasons: education, immigration, crime, etc. They are also going to start disassociating with either party (which is already happening; women are increasingly registering as independent).

You can scream at them about how they are wrong and you are right, you can gaslight them and insult them, you can use racist and sexist words to describe women who pick a different path than you, but none of that will (a) work to change minds and (b) matter at all.

This isn’t a pie - women don’t lose rights because trans people are gaining rights.

When a woman is raped because a man declared his right to share a prison cell with her due to his gender identity, she has lost rights.

When a girl stands on the second step of a podium because a boy who said he is a girl is on the first step, she has lost rights.

When a woman is in a locker room and finds her naked self in front of a naked man and nothing can be done about it because he says he’s a woman, she has lost rights.

Both men and women are victims of prison rape. There's an underlying problem that goes beyond any gender identity issue.

Regarding locker rooms: Trans women are women. They would be more out of place in a men's locker room than in a women's locker room. Just like trans men are men. Do you really want them in the women's locker room?

Of the three points you make, I find the one regarding trans women participating in women's sports the most compelling. I don't know what a solution might be - create a separate division for trans women? But...it's sports. Most people I know will base their choice at the ballot box on something other than sports.

Just stop it with that garbage. It is such a silly statement. They aren’t women anymore than they are sea otters. Stop trying to gaslight America

Call it silly, but gender reassignment surgery is a thing. If a woman has the same parts as you do, what is the big deal?

Gender and sex are different things, and laws protecting women are based on their sex.

Just so we're on the same page, what determines someone's sex...their birth certificate?

Now you’re confused about gender vs sex?

Here in Virginia anyway, they are interchangeable: https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/vital-records/what-is-the-procedure-to-update-a-virginia-birth-certificate-after-a-person-has-undergone-gender-transition/

So a trans woman can show up to a locker room carrying a birth certificate indicating they are a woman.

So because the paperwork changed, sex did too? And now gender and sex are indistinguishable, is this the argument of the left?

I can't speak for others, but my argument is this: You (or somebody, I can't keep track) said "laws protecting women are based on their sex." But how do you enforce that law in a locker room? Nobody is carrying their birth certificate with them, and even if they were the sex on their birth certificate can easily match the gender they claim.

Social pressure has worked fine for the past decades. Just like sports, women must boycott the spaces where men are colonizing. Unfortunately this comes at a huge cost to women, but it’s amazing how men loose their desires to colonize when there are no women around to affirm their delusions.

There are already many instances of biological women being chased out of womens rooms by right wing Karens because they think the woman looks too masculine or wears their hear short or dresses butch or has a husky voice or whatever other judgy BS. Social pressure and "decolonizing" run amok. It's disgraceful how you treat fellow women.

I’m glad we agree that masculine women are women. And likewise feminine men who wear dresses are men. You are 100% correct, women with buzz cuts are still women. And men who want to be women are still men.