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Help me understand Republican women in their 30s and 40s
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Anonymous
NP- I'm an independent and I don't understand how people are still affiliated considering the disgusting rhetoric and lack of respect of both parties. It's not productive, and really only helps the vilest politicians on both sides to gain traction, and the press/media/social media when people gobble up divisive crap. I'm a reluctant Biden voter, but so tired of people not focusing on what they can agree on to just hurl insults at each other. The reality is most women, including republican women, are pro choice or hold some nuanced view of abortion, opposing bans. None of them will be convinced to vote Biden through ad-hominem attacks. |
Anonymous
I’m with the prior poster. If you want to start a thread on abortion or immigration policy then do so. But it’s pretty idiotic to suggest that these aren’t issues that people disagree about, whether in their 30-40s, men or women. Of course there a pro life women, and women who are more disgusted by the no-limits left when it comes to abortion than they are to the limits in the various GOP states. Of course Republicans believe immigration is a national security issue and that Biden has been a tremendous failure on this issue (the polls reflect this, as does his pathetic recent turn-around on the amnesty executive order while signaling the changes are only until Election Day). So again, feel free to debate on the issues but don’t act clueless about why some women are Republicans. It’s the same reason that men are - we simply disagree with you. Given your post, on just about everything. |
Anonymous
Disagreeing with us is one thing. Disagreeing with your own self interests and bodily autonomy is what confounds us. |
Anonymous
You’re the one suggesting it as a conflict with self interest and bodily autonomy and that’s the mistake you are making. It’s really not that difficult to understand the other side of anortion even if you disagree. There’s probably a million articles online that explain conservative views of abortion that can help you …BUT Be aware that even republicans disagree on where to draw the line, whether at conception or closer to the first trimester etc, and there are even fully pro choice/no restriction Republicans who simply align with the party on other issues besides abortion which leads them to vote the way they do. |
Anonymous
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I'm a pro choice independent, but I completely understand women who think abortions are immoral. I've been pregnant. It's not at all surprising a lot of people feel that a fetus is a baby.
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Anonymous
Agree. But not everything immoral is or should be illegal. |
Anonymous
And a lot of Republicans agree with you. But if the choice is a six week ban or abortion through the third trimester, many of them (even the pro choice ones) will vote GOP. |
Anonymous
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I am an atheist feminist who is married to a Democrat man. I am independent but leaning more and more conservative these days. Issues where I lean more to the conservative side include: crime, immigration, women’s sex-based rights, ideological capture of elite institutions, education, and free speech.
It is worth recognizing that historically women trend more conservative and more religious than men. I have my own theories about why this has changed over the past several decades. |
Anonymous
As much as democrats might believe, abortion in and of itself, does not outweigh all of the issues you listed in the minds of many women. Women who are in their late-30s and 40s aren't focused on abortion as much as they are those issues. On crime, they want to keep their families and communities safe. On women's sex-based rights, if they have girls they want them to have fairness in sports. On ideological capture of elite institutions, they want a good education for their kids that will allow them to get jobs to afford the same lifestyles they grew up with. On education and free speech, they want to have differing viewpoints available, even if they don't agree with them. |
Anonymous
You can’t have it both ways Kamala. Either Dems are the party of WOMEN because they will always protect a WOMAN’S right to abort her own child up until the moment of birth- but then they aren’t exactly the party of WOMEN because if your daughter happens to survive her abortion, she’s no longer a WOMAN on the sports field, or if she’d prefer not to share a public bathroom with men. |
Anonymous
This. An inability to grasp why others disagree with you reflects on your intelligence, not on others. |
Anonymous
How am I disagreeing with my own self interests when I pay $90 at the grocery store to feed my family for 2-3 days? How am I disagreeing with my own self interests when I don’t want my son to get drafted into Joe Bidens war? How am I disagreeing with my own self interests when I don’t feel safe in my own DC neighborhood late at night? How am I disagreeing with my own self interests when I don’t want my 8 year old taught some of the things that are now “discussed” in public schools? |
Anonymous
I’m an agnostic, feminist, immigrant black woman married to a man who used to be Democrat, but now is an independent. I agree with you 300% on these issues. Democrats have lost the plot completely on the issues you highlight. I also support the Trump tax cuts, see student loan forgiveness as the vote grab and cash transfer to an elite and entitled population that it is, and despise what Democrats and so-called progressives did to schools in the pandemic. Voting Republican at this point is about the lesser of two absolutely noxious, stinking evils. |
Anonymous
I don't like ad hominem attacks either, but if the ability to make your own health care decisions is something someone values at all, then how does that person vote in favor of a person and a party that are actively working to take that away? I do not get that. |
Anonymous
To be blunt? Some of us don’t sleep around so a need for an abortion is not the driving force in our lives. |