Celebrities and Politicians we suspect are narcissists.

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Anonymous wrote:Somewhat off topic, but why is there so much Jennifer Lawrence hate on this board? I’m not a fan, particularly, but in the few interviews of hers I’ve seen I think she comes off as agreeable and charming...

My DH can’t stand her. I find her a little over the top sometimes but he absolutely loathes her. Thinks she’s super fake and trying to come off like “just a regular girl!” even though obviously she is not average or regular in any way. He has a thing about people downplaying their assets or good fortune to be likable. I get it, but she doesn’t bother me.

But I have a similar thing with Taylor Swift. Her appearance and demeanor read 100% as “rich mean girl from high school who made fun of other girls for having the wrong clothes” so when she’s like “I’m just a nerd hanging out with my best gal pals!” who all happen to be rich, famous, and equally beautiful, I get ver triggered.

I have never been able to articulate my disdain for Taylor before. Thank you for the gift of these words. I'll be sharing them with the Swifties in my life.

My thing with Taylor Swift is that while I don’t love her personally her talent is SO immense - for songwriting, for singing (in a pop way, not necessarily the best vocally), staying on top for as long as she has while remaining mostly sane (unlike so many who started you g and cracked up) .... etc. she’s really the only one of her generation who has pulled it off, and I have grudging respect for it.

I am the PP who mentioned I dislike her and I agree with this. One thing that helped me get TSwift is learning that her parents are finance people and she grew up in that world. She's obviously an excellent businesswoman and really understands her own appeal and how to connect with her fans. Even though I don't like her, I generally don't hate on her because I agree you have to respect it.

She mostly only annoys me when I meet a big TSwift fan who wants to tell me what an amazing person she is. It's amazing to me. I"m like... you get that's just marketing, right? Like all these anecdotes about what an amazing friend she is (to other famous women) or how nice she is to her fans (who are the whole reason she's successful) are planted in the media by her publicity team specifically to make you idolize her? It's one thing if its some teenager thinking this but I've met women in their 30s who talk about TSwift like she's the second coming and it grates.

I did enjoy the summer she dated Tom Hiddleston though. It was very weird and awkward and felt super manufactured and I enjoyed it immensely. That's just the kind of weird, probably transparently career-driven, celebrity pairing that will convince me to buy an Entertainment Weekly and I love it.

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I think there’s a lot of unconscious misogyny embedded in this thread. Most narcissists are men yet everyone here is listening women. A lot of these women are just successful but not your cup of tea.

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Anonymous wrote:Markle and Hilaria are the first to come to mind. Though I think Hilaria is ultimately only a harm to herself to herself and her family and is very, very sick, while Markle is a straight up sociopath.

Neither are, and you need to understand what these psychological terms mean. You are amazingly gullible with what comes out as "news."

To make these assumptions you would have to know both very very well. You do not.

They are both textbooks narcissists.

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Anonymous wrote:^^most of the people listed here are women

Agreed. Of the people listed, the only ones I think might actually be narcissists are Donald Trump and Tom Cruise. Most of these women celebs are being pegged as narcissists because they get a ton of tabloid and other media coverage. I feel like people don't understand how the media machine works for women in Hollywood. Many of these women are minimally involved in their own press coverage -- they have teams of people who leak stories, handle their endorsements and commercial deals, leak locations to paparazzi, etc. Like Megan Markle and Taylor Swift and Jennifer Aniston aren't sitting in their enormous homes watching press coverage of themselves and calculating how to get more attention. They are working or enjoying being rich people and are often trying to avoid press exposure as much as possible. But they have full-time staffs whose job it is to manipulate the press in order to hold public attention, because that the best way for these women to make money. The more famous they are and the more people are talking about them, the more music/movies/tv the sell, the higher the can charge for endorsements, the better their producer gigs, etc. It's literally the job. Yes, maybe insecure attention-seekers are more likely to pursue that career, but that's not what a narcissist is. You all are mad at these women for being famous even as you consume their fame as intended.

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Anonymous wrote:I think there’s a lot of unconscious misogyny embedded in this thread. Most narcissists are men yet everyone here is listening women. A lot of these women are just successful but not your cup of tea.

Are you blind? Lots of men have been listed.

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There’s a difference between being narcissistic and having NPD. I think it’s fair to say that nearly all celebrities and politicians are the former.

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Anonymous wrote:Statistically, men are much more likely to be narcissists than women.

A lot of the women claimed to be narcissists in this thread are likely just deeply insecure and dependent on the positive attention they get via fame to feed their insecurity. That is NOT narcissism. It’s a problem, but would not qualify as NPD. Narcissists have low self-esteem but go to great lengths to conceal that fact from themselves and others, to the point that they will tear down others rather than admit any weakness or vulnerability. An actress who seems a little needy does not qualify— who is she destroying?

Trump is almost certainly a narcissist and is a perfect example of what I was just discussing. On some level he knows that he is incompetent, but his obvious fear of that fact leads to insane self aggrandizement (“I have the best words” “I am the least racist person” etc.). His kids don’t love him in a normal way and their relationships don’t reflect healthy parent-child dynamics. There is clearly codependency and enmeshment going on, and as his kids self identify with him, they become his fiercest defenders, because you admit his flaws would be to admit their own. It is a truly disturbing dynamic and there is nothing admirable about his relationship with his kids, some of whom obviously have their own narcissistic tendencies (both Don Jr. and Ivanka reportedly believe they, too, are destined for high office). Also, Jared Kushner is right there and maybe actually be the worst of all of them.

I agree with this. You must see the narcissism of Meghan Markle, no? Also, the fact that Trump has ALL of his kids so devoted to him is still a positive indication that he may not be a true narcissist. (I did not vote for Trump FYI)

I really disagree. They don't want to be disinherited, and since he's entered politics, he is useful them. I'm sure they love him in some primal way, the way even abused kids love their parents, but their loyalty is entirely transactional.

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Anonymous wrote:I scrolled through to see if anyone else wonders how in the hell OP think Trump’s kids love him??

I’m disappointed in you all.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is the only one on these lists I'm certain about.

But it seems like other people are just listing people they don't like.

Casebook. Agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is the only one on these lists I'm certain about.

But it seems like other people are just listing people they don't like.

Totally agree.

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Anonymous wrote:C’mon...Tom Cruise. Penultimate narcissist.

He is the next-to-last narcissist?!? Who is the last one, then? Travolta?

One could assume that it takes some degree of Narcissm to want to be and be a Politician and or Celebrity. But while Narcissism can have many faces and flavors and end results, we tend to believe what we see and dismiss what we don't as a viewers who are only offered half truth so we don't really know who the people are so how do OP expect to judge based on one sided impressions.

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How to Recognize Someone With Covert Narcissism
They may be difficult to spot


Most of the time, it is easy to spot the narcissist in the room. They are the ones who are working the crowd, loudly sharing fabulous stories that convey a sense of importance and accomplishment so that they can feel admired. Someone behaving like this tends to send out a clear signal to those around them that they are not approachable or compassionate.


Could there be other people in the room with those same exaggerated motivations for admiration and importance, yet possibly harder to identify? Yes, in fact, there could be someone close to you who is a narcissist but shows up in less obvious ways.


https://www.verywellmind.com/understanding-the-covert-narcissist-4584587

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And narcissists believe they can do no wrong, Kevin Spacey is textbook and wouldn’t Charlie Sheen be one too?

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Narcissism is actually pretty rare. It’s not just ego. Here are the traits and wow so they describe a certain ex-president:

Symptoms
Have an exaggerated sense of self-importance.
Have a sense of entitlement and require constant, excessive admiration.
Expect to be recognized as superior even without achievements that warrant it.
Exaggerate achievements and talents.
Be preoccupied with fantasies about success, power, brilliance, beauty or the perfect mate.

Btw, why wouldn’t his kids love him? Kids love their parents, sometimes even when they are abusive. Also millions of maggots love him like a father figure.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ll start:

Meghan Markle
Gwenyth Paltrow
Madonna
Possibly: Donald Trump. (I say possibly because his adult kids seem to really love him and that is not typical of a narcissistic parent)
Jennifer Lawrence

So many to list...

What? Possibly? That is completely off the mark. Trump is, without question, a malignant narcissist.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/2020/sep/02/new-documentary-states-its-case-trump-being-malign/

I was married to one, and now "co-parenting" with that one (there is no co-parenting with a narcissist), been in therapy to work through the effects of narcissistic abuse, and I have done A LOT of research.